Amartey

[brookfox]

Don’t think anyone can argue that he’s been a revelation this season. He can look back on how things have gone overall and be proud of his effort.

 

Interesting he started over Soyuncu who must now definitely be off this summer.

[Guest Col city fan]

39 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

I was replying to a post talking specifically about his passing. No shock you didn't grasp that. Jog on, haven't got the patience for you today.

Ah my apologies

Yes, I agreed his passing was very good last night. Much more direct

[Guest Col city fan]

36 minutes ago, brookfox said:

Don’t think anyone can argue that he’s been a revelation this season. He can look back on how things have gone overall and be proud of his effort.

 

Interesting he started over Soyuncu who must now definitely be off this summer.

A revelation! 😳

[Facecloth]

3 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Ah my apologies

Yes, I agreed his passing was very good last night. Much more direct

Bloody hell, who hacked Cols account 

[brookfox]

24 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

A revelation! 😳

Revelation: a surprising and previously unknown fact that has been disclosed to others.

 

I had no idea he could play as a pretty decent Prem CB hence he’s been a revelation. Not amazing but far exceeded expectations.

[Facecloth]

13 minutes ago, brookfox said:

Revelation: a surprising and previously unknown fact that has been disclosed to others.

 

I had no idea he could play as a pretty decent Prem CB hence he’s been a revelation. Not amazing but far exceeded expectations.

Col has an agenda against Amartey and also has problem understanding relativity it seems.

 

Has Amartey been outstanding this season and better than Evans and Fofana at their best? No. But has he filled admirably and exceeded expectation to show he's a competent centre back at this level. Yes he has.

 

Said it earlier in the season, but people can moan about Amartey and Thomas all they like, but the fact we signed two experienced players in their positions in the summer and have reverted to using players we already had in the squad isn't the fault of those two, who have always given their all when called on, it's on the recruitment team and the two signings.

Edited 12 May 2022 by Facecloth

[Guest Col city fan]

23 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Col has an agenda against Amartey and also has problem understanding relativity it seems.

 

Has Amartey been outstanding this season and better than Evans and Fofana at their best? No. But has he filled admirably and exceeded expectation to show he's a competent centre back at this level. Yes he has.

 

Said it earlier in the season, but people can moan about Amartey and Thomas all they like, but the fact we signed two experienced players in their positions in the summer and have reverted to using players we already had in the squad isn't the fault of those two, who have always given their all when called on, it's on the recruitment team and the two signings.

I don’t have any agenda other than being a Leicester City fan who wants to see the team do well

Amartey isn’t good enough to play for a Premiership side. That’s my opinion based on watching him play many many times. I’ll stick with it. I’m firm in my opinion of him and pretty much always have been.

I’ve found this thread strange based on two main factors. Again, just my opinion. Firstly, Amartey can be absolutely pants (eg Forest in the FA cup), yet there are posters who just overlook this seemingly because they don’t want to ‘offend’ (or something… I can’t quite work out what it is).

Secondly, almost a cult following of a player who is at best very average, yet commands on here a kind of ‘love-in’ that I can’t grasp. He can play badly, and we can leak goals (as we have done all season), yet the adoration continues.

I don’t get that. We’re City fans, not Amartey fans and if he fooks up and we lose then say so??

Finally. It’s not all his fault. The team has been poor this term. Rodgers has made some rubbish signings. Vestie, Bertrand, seemingly Soumare… none of them good enough to come in when needed and to offer a viable alternative. 
I’ve said I think Amartey seems a very likeable man. But that’s not enough. The club must go out in the summer and sign another very good CB such that if we keep Amartey it’s to bring him in on those few occasions when we have nobody else. 
The club fooked up. Fofana got injured, Evans is well past his best, Cags had had an awful Euro’s… so what did we do… we went out and signed Verstergaard. 
That meant Amartey had to play far too often this season and we’ve conceded more goals this term than we ever should have done.

[Facecloth]

9 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I don’t have any agenda other than being a Leicester City fan who wants to see the team do well

Amartey isn’t good enough to play for a Premiership side. That’s my opinion based on watching him play many many times. I’ll stick with it. I’m firm in my opinion of him and pretty much always have been.

I’ve found this thread strange based on two main factors. Again, just my opinion. Firstly, Amartey can be absolutely pants (eg Forest in the FA cup), yet there are posters who just overlook this seemingly because they don’t want to ‘offend’ (or something… I can’t quite work out what it is).

Secondly, almost a cult following of a player who is at best very average, yet commands on here a kind of ‘love-in’ that I can’t grasp. He can play badly, and we can leak goals (as we have done all season), yet the adoration continues.

I don’t get that. We’re City fans, not Amartey fans and if he fooks up and we lose then say so??

Finally. It’s not all his fault. The team has been poor this term. Rodgers has made some rubbish signings. Vestie, Bertrand, seemingly Soumare… none of them good enough to come in when needed and to offer a viable alternative. 
I’ve said I think Amartey seems a very likeable man. But that’s not enough. The club must go out in the summer and sign another very good CB such that if we keep Amartey it’s to bring him in on those few occasions when we have nobody else. 
The club fooked up. Fofana got injured, Evans is well past his best, Cags had had an awful Euro’s… so what did we do… we went out and signed Verstergaard. 
That meant Amartey had to play far too often this season and we’ve conceded more goals this term than we ever should have done.

We've been poor in general, you say it yourself. Why you insist on calling out a player who is quite obviously 4th choice centre back (at least at the start of the season) is beyond me.

 

Has he been perfect, not at all, but is he expected to be even close? Of course not, he was meant to be here to step in for the odd game. He's also not the only player to make glaring mistakes this year, some of them considered first choice players. I mean how many penalties has Ndidi conceded this season? Seemed like a weekly occurance at one point. Tielemans spent most the second half of the season passing to the opposition. Barnes has been completely missing in some games. Justin couldn't win an aerial battle if you gave him a trampoline. Yet it's the stand in who stepped up when needed and exceeded the low expectations set of him you have an issue with.

 

I'd also say we have conceded more goals this season due to poor tactics. We have conceded lots with and without Amartey in the team. Our defending from set pieces is awful. That's partly down to being a small team, also down to the keeper not commanding the area. Maybe some of its on having to play our 4th choice cb, but its clearly not the only issue.

 

The biggest criticism of Amartey was his passing, and that has improved massively this season. In the most part his positioning is spot on, he wins his aerial duels, he stands up and makes clean tackles. Sure occasionally he gets done like he did last night, but find me a back up centre back outside the big 6 that doesn't.

 

So name the player, that's your challenge today. Name the player who would happily come here and play his role at the club who would be an improvement on him. The people employed to do that came up with Vestergaard last summer, so I'm sure the oracle of Col can do better.

[davieG]

12 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Sure occasionally he gets done like he did last night, but find me a back up centre back outside the big 6 that doesn't.

Not just back up Centre Backs.

[Facecloth]

Just now, davieG said:

Not just back up Centre Backs.

Exactly. Pukki is hardly a world class player  but his strengths are clear. He holds the ball well and is good at quickly changing direction, and he's also very aware of what's around him. It won't be the first time he beat a defender easily and I'm sure there's a YouTube video I cant be bothered to look for that many clips of it.

[Tommy Fresh]

29 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

We've been poor in general, you say it yourself. Why you insist on calling out a player who is quite obviously 4th choice centre back (at least at the start of the season) is beyond me.

 

Has he been perfect, not at all, but is he expected to be even close? Of course not, he was meant to be here to step in for the odd game. He's also not the only player to make glaring mistakes this year, some of them considered first choice players. I mean how many penalties has Ndidi conceded this season? Seemed like a weekly occurance at one point. Tielemans spent most the second half of the season passing to the opposition. Barnes has been completely missing in some games. Justin couldn't win an aerial battle if you gave him a trampoline. Yet it's the stand in who stepped up when needed and exceeded the low expectations set of him you have an issue with.

 

I'd also say we have conceded more goals this season due to poor tactics. We have conceded lots with and without Amartey in the team. Our defending from set pieces is awful. That's partly down to being a small team, also down to the keeper not commanding the area. Maybe some of its on having to play our 4th choice cb, but its clearly not the only issue.

 

The biggest criticism of Amartey was his passing, and that has improved massively this season. In the most part his positioning is spot on, he wins his aerial duels, he stands up and makes clean tackles. Sure occasionally he gets done like he did last night, but find me a back up centre back outside the big 6 that doesn't.

 

So name the player, that's your challenge today. Name the player who would happily come here and play his role at the club who would be an improvement on him. The people employed to do that came up with Vestergaard last summer, so I'm sure the oracle of Col can do better.

No point trying to explain it to be honest, I've reiterated a lot of points in your post numerous times to him. Really surprised he hasn't called you "stalky" yet 

Edited 12 May 2022 by Tommy Fresh

[lcfc old boy]

1 hour ago, Tommy Fresh said:

No point trying to explain it to be honest, I've reiterated a lot of points in your post numerous times to him. Really surprised he hasn't called you "stalky" yet 

facecloth makes a lot of valid points , and you reply by childish name calling

[An Sionnach]

Right from his excellent performance in the charity shield through the Liverpool shut out ,Amartey has been generally solid and when he plays we have conceded fewer goals. Does he make mistakes? Of course he does , but so does VVD . I reckon the club are happy with Dan and they should extend his contract.

[SouthStandUpperTier]

3 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Secondly, almost a cult following of a player who is at best very average, yet commands on here a kind of ‘love-in’ that I can’t grasp. He can play badly, and we can leak goals (as we have done all season), yet the adoration continues.

Cult status isn't entirely dependent upon talent though.  There's always room the try-hards and the give-it-100%'ers. Think Gary Coatsworth, Ian Hume or Steve Howard. Not the most talented guys, yet they still acquired a cult status of sorts. I for one will consider it a sad day when Big Dan moves on and can no longer get 14 year old glory-hunting Chelsea fans riled up (and let's face it, they deserve to be riled up) with his pennant throwing antics.

[Corky]

Should play as his song is great imo.

[Facecloth]

Just did a very quick run through of his games, he started or played at least a half in 22 premier league games where we've conceded 36 goals. In the other 13 games we've conceded 20.

 

It's not scientific and I'm sure I could dig deeper, but we have conceded 1.63 goals a game with him and 1.53 a game without him. It's hardly a damming stat is it those figures are similar, you can't make a clear judement. A large chunk of his games were alongside a massively off colour Soyuncu. The fact we have conceded over a goal game on average whoever plays at the back shows its collective issue,  not one man.

Edited 12 May 2022 by Facecloth

[Devonfox1884]

Absolutely fine as a 4th choice CB, he does a job. No Europe means less games next season too, so he’s less likely to get significant game time.

 

Would be really happy with Evans, Wes, Bremer/Colwill/New CB and big Dan as options for next season. 

[trabuch]

He seems very willing. And doesn't seem to mind being a back up. Half decent squad players with his attitude won't be that easy to find.

[Tommy Fresh]

1 hour ago, lcfc old boy said:

facecloth makes a lot of valid points , and you reply by childish name calling

You realise I agree with him don't you and was referring to another poster calling me stalky.

[turtmcfly]

On 05/09/2020 at 18:11, Col city fan said:

He’s rubbish mate, gerrimoot

😀

 

4 hours ago, Col city fan said:

I don’t have any agenda other than being a Leicester City fan who wants to see the team do well

Amartey isn’t good enough to play for a Premiership side. That’s my opinion based on watching him play many many times. I’ll stick with it. I’m firm in my opinion of him and pretty much always have been.

I’ve found this thread strange based on two main factors. Again, just my opinion. Firstly, Amartey can be absolutely pants (eg Forest in the FA cup), yet there are posters who just overlook this seemingly because they don’t want to ‘offend’ (or something… I can’t quite work out what it is).

Secondly, almost a cult following of a player who is at best very average, yet commands on here a kind of ‘love-in’ that I can’t grasp. He can play badly, and we can leak goals (as we have done all season), yet the adoration continues.

I don’t get that. We’re City fans, not Amartey fans and if he fooks up and we lose then say so??

Finally. It’s not all his fault. The team has been poor this term. Rodgers has made some rubbish signings. Vestie, Bertrand, seemingly Soumare… none of them good enough to come in when needed and to offer a viable alternative. 
I’ve said I think Amartey seems a very likeable man. But that’s not enough. The club must go out in the summer and sign another very good CB such that if we keep Amartey it’s to bring him in on those few occasions when we have nobody else. 
The club fooked up. Fofana got injured, Evans is well past his best, Cags had had an awful Euro’s… so what did we do… we went out and signed Verstergaard. 
That meant Amartey had to play far too often this season and we’ve conceded more goals this term than we ever should have done.

 

Let's say he's been semi-revelatory then.

 

Seriously... the above would come across better if you weren't immediately posting in this thread after a loss, gleefully pointing out something Dan has done wrong, while seemingly not having spotted how utterly bobbins the majority of our other (apparently better, and thus with less of an excuse) players have been too. Even when he hasn't been directly responsible for goals in games, you can't help yourself with the 'Dan played, so we lost' rhetoric.

 

It's sometimes hard to tell with you whether the denseness is performative or innate, but everyone else understands that the 'love-in' is not due to people thinking he's brilliant, but down to the perception that he always gives it 100%, never complains, and seems to actively and openly enjoy being a part of and playing for our club. If we could say that about the rest of the squad, you'd surely get your fervent wish that we no longer have to use him

 

 

[knitro]

6 hours ago, Facecloth said:

Exactly. Pukki is hardly a world class player  but his strengths are clear. He holds the ball well and is good at quickly changing direction, and he's also very aware of what's around him. It won't be the first time he beat a defender easily and I'm sure there's a YouTube video I cant be bothered to look for that many clips of it.

Pukki is a non-top 6 quality striker in the PL, and the large reason Norwich have any points this season. He'll do in better players than Big Dan. 

[Facecloth]

4 minutes ago, knitro said:

Pukki is a non-top 6 quality striker in the PL, and the large reason Norwich have any points this season. He'll do in better players than Big Dan. 

Oh yeah him and Aarons are pretty much the only ones even close to being Premier league quality. A promoted team wouldn't go too far wrong getting Pukki in as a back up striker option.

[lcfc old boy]

2 hours ago, Tommy Fresh said:

You realise I agree with him don't you and was referring to another poster calling me stalky.

apologies

 

[squidsworth]

Problem with Cal-amartey is he makes some big mistakes and they overshadow all the good work he tends to do. Can't fault the lad for effort but it takes more than that to get near top 6, it's no coincidence with the game time hes been getting, we're poop.  That's not to say it's his fault but he's a million miles off someone like Fofana's class. If we have ambitions, rather than just holding our premier League place, he's the sort of player you might keep for cover cos he's versatile, but in my eyes he aint good enough as a starter, and I'd suggest he stays on the subs bench as much as possible too.  

I would agree with one of the posters above who said he was one of the worst last night.  Not as bad as lookman though, I think his time maybe up. 

[Facecloth]

15 minutes ago, squidsworth said:

Problem with Cal-amartey is he makes some big mistakes and they overshadow all the good work he tends to do. Can't fault the lad for effort but it takes more than that to get near top 6, it's no coincidence with the game time hes been getting, we're poop.  That's not to say it's his fault but he's a million miles off someone like Fofana's class. If we have ambitions, rather than just holding our premier League place, he's the sort of player you might keep for cover cos he's versatile, but in my eyes he aint good enough as a starter, and I'd suggest he stays on the subs bench as much as possible too.  

I would agree with one of the posters above who said he was one of the worst last night.  Not as bad as lookman though, I think his time maybe up. 

Judging by your post you think we've been starting him over Evans and Fofana by choice. He's cover and they've been injured, so he's covered.

 

Also Amartey has started 22 league games this season, I'm gonna challenge to name 11 "big mistakes" as you put it. One every other game, so if they are so glaringly obvious that shouldn't be too hard,  you should have some to spare.

 

Oh and can we not refer to a premier league, fa cup and community shield winning player as Cal-amartey. Show respect to a club legend 

Edited 12 May 2022 by Facecloth