Bazly Posted 23 May 2022 Share Posted 23 May 2022 4 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: Absolute nonsense some of the crap written about him on here. He's been immense for us and you'll see how much we'll miss him The only gone away players I've missed in recent times have been Esteban Cambiasso and N'golo Kante. They had fantastic final seasons, so maybe I cannot get beyond a short termism viewpoint. Those who had shitty or hissy fit last seasons range from Maguire to Drinkwater onto Mahrez. Don't miss them at all. Tielemans is in that category, way down on the forum player rankings this season. Take away the Southampton dynamic duo and it'd look really bad. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted 23 May 2022 Share Posted 23 May 2022 if for some reason he is still here next season he should be banned from our own penalty area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 23 May 2022 Share Posted 23 May 2022 4 minutes ago, Jimmy said: if for some reason he is still here next season he should be banned from our own penalty area you could fly a flag on that leg he sticks out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfox Posted 23 May 2022 Share Posted 23 May 2022 2 hours ago, turtmcfly said: I'm sure they have... and I roughly concur with your estimates. But I feel you are being more of a Foxfox than a Wolfox... I asked you (or tried to!) what number would really start to shift your 'I'd like him to stay' stance to one of 'thanks for the memories, but more thanks for the moolah'. In other words 'OK, but how much would you like him to stay?' My assumption is your 'stay' call still applies to that realistic figure of 25 million. Ah gotcha…. You out wolfed me with your question…! Without contract ~£20m… Assuming his contract is sorted I’m not sure I’d shift for under £70m….. An entirely unrealistic market valuation (although Maguire went for more)…. Unless we uncover another hidden gem, I think we’ll really miss him next season…. The new shiny things don’t always eclipse what you’ve got…. Everyone one loves an exciting new name though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jordan Posted 23 May 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 23 May 2022 (edited) Tielemans’ quality became both a blessing and a curse. We don’t have a midfielder that can pass between the lines all over the pitch (especially from deep) quite like Tielemans, and these types of players don’t exactly grow on trees. Soumare’s game in France looked like it was to drive possession forward on the dribble, and that’s what KDH does. Maddison could possibly play deeper, but then you lose all of the great things he does when he’s higher up the pitch. Because of his style and ability, and because we didn’t have any similar player to replace him (or even many able bodies available in the first place), without drastically changing our tactics, I feel like Rodgers felt obligated to play Tielemans every day, and now Tielemans looks physically exhausted and mentally jaded. It’s a little sad to see that his form dipped as the season went along because we all know he’s a better player than what we’ve seen recently. But it looks in so many ways that his race is run with us. On another note, I echo @The_77’s comments about how Tielemans is a classy fellow. Adding to that, Tielemans scoring one of the greatest FA Cup Final winning goals and then spending the next day taking his daughter to a playground just absolutely sums him up. When he first came here and was asked by a Belgian interviewer how he’d deal with the English tabloids, he jokingly said he wouldn’t worry because he’d give no material to work with on him. That proved absolutely correct, as the guy is a star student of a footballer and just a decent person in general. Edited 23 May 2022 by Jordan Typos 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lad1966 Posted 23 May 2022 Share Posted 23 May 2022 Despite his indifferent form, i would love him to stay, even without him signing a contact, that’s is from a pure selfish point of view. He is a very special player and his margins are very fine, a defence splitting pass will only be successful occasionally, but crucially he can see that pass that other don’t see and he keeps trying to make that pass, unfortunately its not quite worked for him this season. My worry, if he does leave, how would we adapt without his skill set? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynamark Posted 23 May 2022 Share Posted 23 May 2022 Top player. A story told about humble footballers involved Ian Ball and Jim Armfield sunday after the 1966 world cup win .After a dinner post match in the hotel where the players insisted their wives were allowed to join them when it wasnt part of the plan the lads drove home to Blackpool in Ballys Jag stopping at Watford Gap services on the M1 for egg and chips ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobyfox Posted 23 May 2022 Share Posted 23 May 2022 4 hours ago, Bazly said: The only gone away players I've missed in recent times have been Esteban Cambiasso and N'golo Kante. They had fantastic final seasons, so maybe I cannot get beyond a short termism viewpoint. Those who had shitty or hissy fit last seasons range from Maguire to Drinkwater onto Mahrez. Don't miss them at all. Tielemans is in that category, way down on the forum player rankings this season. Take away the Southampton dynamic duo and it'd look really bad. So, by that logic, you won’t miss Vardy or Schmeichel if they have a hissy fit last season before they leave? But you’d probably miss KDH on the back of one decent season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bptiger Posted 24 May 2022 Share Posted 24 May 2022 Got to say I did having a great liking for cambiasso , what I would give to have him in our midfield for next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaaklint Posted 24 May 2022 Share Posted 24 May 2022 Had a brief look at Youri's numbers for this season and was kinda surprised to see that, according to virtually every measure, they're either the same or better than last year. The only decreases were how often he receives the ball (and thus the number of passes and dribbles he makes). Even with less of the ball, his p90 numbers for progressive passes/SCA/goals and assists (both expected and actual) have increased. Even his defensive numbers (tackles/interceptions/pressures) have improved. Of course the question stands as to why he's getting the ball less, but I feel like Youri's perceived performance may be a victim of our season rather than how he's actually played. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaaklint Posted 24 May 2022 Share Posted 24 May 2022 9 minutes ago, blaaklint said: Had a brief look at Youri's numbers for this season and was kinda surprised to see that, according to virtually every measure, they're either the same or better than last year. The only decreases were how often he receives the ball (and thus the number of passes and dribbles he makes). Even with less of the ball, his p90 numbers for progressive passes/SCA/goals and assists (both expected and actual) have increased. Even his defensive numbers (tackles/interceptions/pressures) have improved. Of course the question stands as to why he's getting the ball less, but I feel like Youri's perceived performance may be a victim of our season rather than how he's actually played. Turrns out part of the reason he gets fewer touches and makes more pressures and tackles is likely because we have slightly less of the ball this year compared to last (52.2% vs 54.7%). However, his stat changes are proportionally greater than the possession changes so something else is likely having an impact too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post teblin Posted 24 May 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 24 May 2022 He’s not been as bad as people make out this season. If he decides to sign a contract tomorrow I’d be more than happy. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxInTheBirstallBox Posted 24 May 2022 Share Posted 24 May 2022 10 minutes ago, teblin said: He’s not been as bad as people make out this season. If he decides to sign a contract tomorrow I’d be more than happy. Jesus Christ how many games have you actually been too? He's been abysmal, and highlighted more by the top performance he put in at man u..... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bert Posted 24 May 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 24 May 2022 I’d rather risk losing him for free and get another season out of him than sell him now for £25m. If he does stay this summer he’ll sign a new contract before leaving next summer. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 24 May 2022 Share Posted 24 May 2022 2 minutes ago, Bert said: I’d rather risk losing him for free and get another season out of him than sell him now for £25m. If he does stay this summer he’ll sign a new contract before leaving next summer. Why would he sign a new contract effectively for one season ? there would be a huge nett financial loss for him by doing that. the only reason would be that there is no interest at the price we’ve set and his offers on a free for next summer aren’t particularly lucrative either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 24 May 2022 Share Posted 24 May 2022 2 minutes ago, Bert said: I’d rather risk losing him for free and get another season out of him than sell him now for £25m. If he does stay this summer he’ll sign a new contract before leaving next summer. ...running down his contract has opened the door to several clubs to show interest!!! Why would he sign a new contract now, only to leave next summer. If the contract is longer than a year, it will make his fee more expensive and if it is for one year then what is the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FosseSpark Posted 24 May 2022 Share Posted 24 May 2022 If Arsenals midfield next season contains Tielemans, Odegaard and Smith Rowe then they're going to get opened up like a tin of beans by decent sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted 24 May 2022 Share Posted 24 May 2022 32 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Why would he sign a new contract effectively for one season ? there would be a huge nett financial loss for him by doing that. the only reason would be that there is no interest at the price we’ve set and his offers on a free for next summer aren’t particularly lucrative either For the exact reasons that, he’ll get more money, and it’ll help the club out too by guaranteeing them a bigger transfer fee. He has a good season and the big clubs are back in for him. It’s how it works and it’s how the club like to operate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 24 May 2022 Share Posted 24 May 2022 40 minutes ago, Bert said: I’d rather risk losing him for free and get another season out of him than sell him now for £25m. If he does stay this summer he’ll sign a new contract before leaving next summer. Starting to think this might be the most likely scenario. Not even sure Arsenal are in for him based on what I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post moore_94 Posted 24 May 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 24 May 2022 (edited) Would be very happy if he signed a new deal and stayed for another season We know just how good he can be, although it has been a poor season for him he has still shown at times throughout just how good and how much of a difference he makes for us Not exactly like he is the only player for us this season that has been well below their usual level either The amount of football he has played in the last 2 seasons isn’t going to have helped him either - 99 starts for us in the last 2 seasons and then another 18 or so with Belgium - that is A LOT of football Seems to be a bit of a thing on here this season that the poor performances are a players level and nothing higher (even though we have already seen otherwise) and people start going down the route of saying they have downed tools, half arsing it etc. which I just find a bit ridiculous tbh Edited 24 May 2022 by moore_94 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 24 May 2022 Share Posted 24 May 2022 There as been waves that he might sign an xxyear contract, with the idea that he will want "The" move within two years.. and neither club or himself will miss out... From my side..under £40mill ,we would of lost out on poor internal standard business procedures... Recruitment group failing massively,on what is our biggest product.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 24 May 2022 Share Posted 24 May 2022 (edited) 57 minutes ago, fuchsntf said: There as been waves that he might sign an xxyear contract, with the idea that he will want "The" move within two years.. and neither club or himself will miss out... From my side..under £40mill ,we would of lost out on poor internal standard business procedures... Recruitment group failing massively,on what is our biggest product.. So - Why not just repeat this year - he extends his contract from june 23 to june 24 and we increase his wages - then next summer we can do the same or he gets to be sold or he runs down his contract. Simples Edited 24 May 2022 by foxinsocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson Posted 24 May 2022 Share Posted 24 May 2022 (edited) He’s not going to extend his contract. Free transfers are infamously the best deals for both player and agent. It’s obvious he wants to leave. It’s either get a fee this summer or leave on a free next summer. Why would we give him another contract til next summer and increase his wages without extending his contract? Would be a waste of money for the club and eat into our transfer budget. Edited 24 May 2022 by Sampson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 24 May 2022 Share Posted 24 May 2022 (edited) He thrives in a free-flowing style of play, and appears to be a 'confidence player'. Edited 24 May 2022 by Wymsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 24 May 2022 Share Posted 24 May 2022 Braybrooke’s progress should not be stifled. He can play youri’s role in a couple years. it’s possible the club and agent could come up with a contract with clauses whereby the player doesn’t lose out financially by staying. kicking the tielemans can down the road for a couple years suits us re braybrooke’s development and him having a bit less football next season in a World Cup year. I still think him not signing anything is the most likely outcome - a 25m sale this summer or a free next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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