Maddison

[Chrysalis]

Just seen the footage so changing my thoughts.

 

If hes in so much pain he cant physically hide it I dont think Maddison would be forcing himself in the team by pretending he is fit.

 

I have hip pain and lifting the leg e.g. sitting on low seats is horrid for it, taking a knee would probably trigger it.

Edited 20 September 2021 by Chrysalis

[weller54]

17 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Just seen the footage so changing my thoughts.

 

If hes in so much pain he cant physically hide it I dont think Maddison would be forcing himself in the team by pretending he is fit.

 

I have hip pain and lifting the leg e.g. sitting on low seats is horrid for it, taking a knee would probably trigger it.

So BR would rather pick an injured player who can't even go down on one knee without pain than a full Belgium international (binned off) or a fully fit, enthusiastic, skillful alternative in KDH?..

I know who I blame!!

[Chrysalis]

3 minutes ago, weller54 said:

So BR would rather pick an injured player who can't even go down on one knee without pain than a full Belgium international (binned off) or a fully fit, enthusiastic, skillful alternative in KDH?..

I know who I blame!!

No idea, we know physio team been replaced (they might be hard nutters who tell injured players to get on with it), and Rodgers may have his reasons to prefer certain players, but I find it hard to believe a player who cant even take the knee would volunteer himself for games, it would also explain why he doesnt make himself available for passes as well.

 

I am open to all reasons, but whatever the reason may be, him been in the team like that isnt right.

Edited 20 September 2021 by Chrysalis

[daverollo]

It’s obvious he is carrying some sort of injury and the hierarchy will know about. How else do you explain why he hasn’t taken a free kick in months.

 

I feel for the lad and do wonder if what is troubling him can’t be fixed with an operation and if it worsens could be career ending.

 

We all know that a fully fit and firing Maddison is a major asset to the team, but he is misfiring big time at the moment.

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, daverollo said:

It’s obvious he is carrying some sort of injury and the hierarchy will know about. How else do you explain why he hasn’t taken a free kick in months.

 

I feel for the lad and do wonder if what is troubling him can’t be fixed with an operation and if it worsens could be career ending.

 

We all know that a fully fit and firing Maddison is a major asset to the team, but he is misfiring big time at the moment.

To be honest, is it obvious? Do we know? You may well be right, but it feels fairly “conspiracy theory” to suggest no-one would know and say so, don’t you think? Cannot suggest another reason though, I do not imagine he just can no longer be arsed. It’s all hyperbole on all sides tbh.  

[CrispinLA in Texas]

2 hours ago, sishades said:

Looking at that footage above is very worrying. He is clearly in a lot of pain and should be sidelined immediately. Hip injuries are notoriously difficult to heal.

 

2 hours ago, An Sionnach said:

Begs the question, why didn't he tell Rodgers before the match?. Is he trying to hide his problem ?

If isn't not fit but has continued to get picked then it hasn't benefitted him and has had a detrimental effect on the team. His issues have resulted in our loss of form towards the end of last season and if he had been given several months off to recover then we could have used others like Dennis Praet, instead of making him sit idol on the bench and then loan him out to Italy. But now we don't have that option of having a backup to Maddison so we either play him injured or give him months off to recover. I've always been a fan of Maddison and didn't want to go to Arsenal in the summer but I'm really p***ed off at the whole situation

Edited 20 September 2021 by CrispinLA in Texas

[Wymsey]

Thought he had some sort of hip operation during the Summer?

[HighPeakFox]

2 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Thought he had some sort of hip operation during the Summer?

Are you telling us or asking us? 

 

[The Blur]

If Maddison is injuried then now is the perfect time to have an operation when we still have all of our midfield available rather than say Jan.

[Wymsey]

4 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Are you telling us or asking us? 

 

Probably the latter.  

Had a feeling that he had a procedure done.

 

From this article, published in February, it suggests that he did have surgery a year ago.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9295303/Premier-League-James-Maddison-visits-specialist-London-troublesome-hip.html

Edited 20 September 2021 by Wymsey

[Hoopla10]

23 hours ago, StanSP said:

Maddison is rightly copping a fair bit of flak. I don't deny that and also don't deny he should be getting it. 

But the off-field stuff I think far too much is made out of it just to add to the pile-on for him. It's all conjecture, really. In my humble opinion! 

The thing that sort of bugs me is that half the people who whine about Mad's off-pitch antics probably bemoan the good ol' days where players got wrecked on Friday night before a game, Saturday had a fry-up on the way to the match and then went out and got gassedup at some gentleman's club Saturday night surrounded by hostesses. 

[FoxFossil]

8 minutes ago, Hoopla10 said:

The thing that sort of bugs me is that half the people who whine about Mad's off-pitch antics probably bemoan the good ol' days where players got wrecked on Friday night before a game, Saturday had a fry-up on the way to the match and then went out and got gassedup at some gentleman's club Saturday night surrounded by hostesses. 

Wortho, Wortho  Franky Wortho!

[sacreblueits442]

6 hours ago, An Sionnach said:

Begs the question, why didn't he tell Rodgers before the match?. Is he trying to hide his problem ?

....would be very hard to hide his situation from the staff!!!

They are aware of it, but obviously choose to allow him to play, as you would assume they do not consider the discomfort he is going through stems from a degenerative injury.

It would be in conjunction with the player, that they would choose to let him play, although looking in from the outside it does not seem to meet the "duty of care" threshold.

  Any staff member who is not aware of his issues perhaps should apply for a contract at Stockley Park.

[daddylonglegs]

On 19/09/2021 at 21:27, StanSP said:

Maddison is rightly copping a fair bit of flak. I don't deny that and also don't deny he should be getting it. 

But the off-field stuff I think far too much is made out of it just to add to the pile-on for him. It's all conjecture, really. In my humble opinion! 

I agree. I find it hard to seperate his off field antics and his on field performance when he’s playing as badly as he is, but funnily enough don’t care when he’s doing well!! (Which is wrong)

 

As much as that 606 caller dragging him through the mud the other day was slightly funny, it’s not the right reason to get on the bloke’s back. 
 

We shouldn’t be angry at him for having a life outside of Leicester, we should be angry at him because he’s one of our highest earners and wouldn’t look out of place in a league 2 side atm 

[BKLFox]

Q: How do you help James Maddison get back to his best?
 

BR: “Time, patience, support. I think it’s understanding that no matter how confident someone is, and how good a player they are, they will always have a period in their career where the confidence isn’t quite there.”

 

“And it’s always about taking them back to the basics. You’ve got to work your socks off, you’ve got to work even harder. When you did that, that gives you confidence, and when you have that confidence, you have a greater chance of succeeding and playing to the highest level.”

 

"He’s a brilliant talent, he’s played many fantastic games for Leicester, and he will do that. He’s in a little moment where it’s not quite happening for him. He knows as well as anyone. He won’t feel sorry for himself. You’ve got to work, you’ve got to put even more into your game and into your life as a player. If you can do that, it gives you a chance to get back to your level.”

 

Can’t disagree with anything BR says, he’s aware he’s in a little rut and needs to play himself out of it although seems FT have decided he’s shite and need to sell ASAP and not give the lad our Time, patience & support.

 

I don’t think Madders will start at the W/end given Lookmans contribution v Brighton and link up with Ricardo but if he’s on the bench and does come on please can we give him our support, I think you’d be amazed what it would do for him mentally and then to his game.

[ajthefox]

25 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Q: How do you help James Maddison get back to his best?
 

BR: “Time, patience, support. I think it’s understanding that no matter how confident someone is, and how good a player they are, they will always have a period in their career where the confidence isn’t quite there.”

 

“And it’s always about taking them back to the basics. You’ve got to work your socks off, you’ve got to work even harder. When you did that, that gives you confidence, and when you have that confidence, you have a greater chance of succeeding and playing to the highest level.”

 

"He’s a brilliant talent, he’s played many fantastic games for Leicester, and he will do that. He’s in a little moment where it’s not quite happening for him. He knows as well as anyone. He won’t feel sorry for himself. You’ve got to work, you’ve got to put even more into your game and into your life as a player. If you can do that, it gives you a chance to get back to your level.”

 

Can’t disagree with anything BR says, he’s aware he’s in a little rut and needs to play himself out of it although seems FT have decided he’s shite and need to sell ASAP and not give the lad our Time, patience & support.

 

I don’t think Madders will start at the W/end given Lookmans contribution v Brighton and link up with Ricardo but if he’s on the bench and does come on please can we give him our support, I think you’d be amazed what it would do for him mentally and then to his game.

 

It is comforting to know that this has been acknowledged, it will be interesting to see what happens at the weekend. Maybe a substitute appearance would be good for Madders.

[Jimmy]

18 hours ago, Wymsey said:

Probably the latter.  

Had a feeling that he had a procedure done.

 

From this article, published in February, it suggests that he did have surgery a year ago.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9295303/Premier-League-James-Maddison-visits-specialist-London-troublesome-hip.html

well it obviously didn't work

[Jimmy]

2 hours ago, BKLFox said:

Q: How do you help James Maddison get back to his best?
 

BR: “Time, patience, support. I think it’s understanding that no matter how confident someone is, and how good a player they are, they will always have a period in their career where the confidence isn’t quite there.”

 

“And it’s always about taking them back to the basics. You’ve got to work your socks off, you’ve got to work even harder. When you did that, that gives you confidence, and when you have that confidence, you have a greater chance of succeeding and playing to the highest level.”

 

"He’s a brilliant talent, he’s played many fantastic games for Leicester, and he will do that. He’s in a little moment where it’s not quite happening for him. He knows as well as anyone. He won’t feel sorry for himself. You’ve got to work, you’ve got to put even more into your game and into your life as a player. If you can do that, it gives you a chance to get back to your level.”

 

Can’t disagree with anything BR says, he’s aware he’s in a little rut and needs to play himself out of it although seems FT have decided he’s shite and need to sell ASAP and not give the lad our Time, patience & support.

 

I don’t think Madders will start at the W/end given Lookmans contribution v Brighton and link up with Ricardo but if he’s on the bench and does come on please can we give him our support, I think you’d be amazed what it would do for him mentally and then to his game.

he isn't contributing at all, if he was playing badly but still putting in  the odd through ball for Vardy to score people would tolerate him playing through it but we are playing with 10 men with Maddison on the pitch and have more effective alternatives.

 

If he physically needs to play through it put him in the u23s to do that

Edited 21 September 2021 by Jimmy

[Raw Dykes]

1 minute ago, Jimmy said:

he isn't contributing at all, if he was playing badly but still putting in  the odd through ball for Vardy to score people would tolerate him playing through it but we are playing with 10 men with Maddison on the pitch and have more effective alternatives.

 

If he physically needs to play through it put him in the u232s to do that

Isn't that all of us?

[Dan LCFC]

Anyone got this clip? If he can barely stand up properly then what on earth is he doing playing?

 

I'd give him a month out minimum.

[Ric Flair]

There's players being off form at what they do best but still contribute for the team, see Jamie Vardy from February to May last season but when a player is so out of form they aren't contributing anything then it's 100% on the manager for continuing to pick them and the team suffering as a result.

 

It's often said players can't be carried in the PL and that's why it's so difficult to give youngsters a chance but it's baffling how players can go a long stretch of games being a hindrance and the manager will still take that risk. 

[jmono84]

The guy is quite clearly struggling with his fitness and he can’t be carrying an injury because they wouldn’t play him right?

 

He stands out so much in that he’s well well off the pace, so much so it looks like he physically is struggling to move.

 

Like what @Ric Flair says you can’t afford to carry a player at this level, especially players who need to contribute in the final third.

[Incognito]

If he is struggling with his hip, then it needs seeing to - again. He can't be left to try and play through it, his form has long deserted him, to the point I think he is being thrown under the bus (albeit getting paid plenty for it).

 

It is highly doubtful that he will recapture his (long) previous good form until it is resolved (stating the obvious I know).

[Dan LCFC]

38 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

There's players being off form at what they do best but still contribute for the team, see Jamie Vardy from February to May last season but when a player is so out of form they aren't contributing anything then it's 100% on the manager for continuing to pick them and the team suffering as a result.

 

It's often said players can't be carried in the PL and that's why it's so difficult to give youngsters a chance but it's baffling how players can go a long stretch of games being a hindrance and the manager will still take that risk. 

I firmly believe most youth players would not have done any less. Dewsbury-Hall wouldn't have done.

[Long Eaton Fox]

“Time, patience, support"  FT please listen!!!