Maddison

[StanSP]

Just now, justfoxes said:

Better season than Ward-Prowse Kelvin Phillips & Connor Gallagher yet  Duffgate omits Madders again bloody fool !!

 

Great to see JJ get his first senior call up wonder if it’ll be on the bench Hope the lad gets to prove his ability!

Phillips plays in a different position so don't mind his inclusion at all. 

 

 

[Legend_in_blue]

We will never get anywhere with Yes Man in charge.  Bloke is a fraud and, when the crunch comes, a proven loser.

[Cincinnati Fox]

Southgate is going to cost England 2-3 titles. He has had the squad and easy draws and we have failed. He is not even a championship manager. Just a suit for the fa! 

[dnewty]

When you’re a good manager other clubs want you, I’ve never heard Southgate linked with one top job.

[The Horse's Mouth]

Southgate has had the right to trust his favourites though, they have delivered in tournaments so I don't really get the argument. Been our most successful manager since sir Alf and the competition for these places are vast. The players now are used to playing with each other and are a unit so it's even harder to break in. He does deserve a call up though but I'm not sure about the actual world cup squad yet, my main issue with Southgate is the constant coady and Ming's inclusions despite them not doing owt for England and being pretty poor for their club sides. As opposed to say Maguire who's had an awful season but has been our best defender in back to back tournaments. I think people forget that club form doesn't always translate into being good for your national team, Miroslav Klose had a somewhat average club career but is arguably Germany's best striker, it's swings and roundabouts

 

Edited 24 May 2022 by The Horse's Mouth

[Soar Fox]

What happened to the “I will only pick players on form and not on what they have previously done”

[Guest Col city fan]

9 hours ago, Vlad the Fox said:

Before the last tournament I felt the same, we got to the final so admitted that I was in the wrong. But I still feel the same now and I can’t control that, I’ve always enjoyed the success of Leicester more than England but I still always got up for England, especially in tournaments.
 

I don’t think it’s just the dull football though, it’s the player selections again, overlooking players in great form for average or underperforming favourites, when at first I thought he was going to be different in this regard. His reason for not picking Drinkwater, “he’s not been through the system” says all you need to know about the England set up. 

The final was a joke. We score the early goal, got the Italians against the ropes, and then allowed them to get their heads together and come back at us on the front foot. And this was a talented Italian team but by no means unbeatable. 
It was vintage Southgate. Don’t lose at all costs, rather than ‘win at all costs’ and it cost us the trophy on that day 

[Guest Col city fan]

22 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Southgate has had the right to trust his favourites though, they have delivered in tournaments so I don't really get the argument. Been our most successful manager since sir Alf and the competition for these places are vast. The players now are used to playing with each other and are a unit so it's even harder to break in. He does deserve a call up though but I'm not sure about the actual world cup squad yet, my main issue with Southgate is the constant coady and Ming's inclusions despite them not doing owt for England and being pretty poor for their club sides. As opposed to say Maguire who's had an awful season but has been our best defender in back to back tournaments. I think people forget that club form doesn't always translate into being good for your national team, Miroslav Klose had a somewhat average club career but is arguably Germany's best striker, it's swings and roundabouts

 

My feeling, given our current pool of players, is that we’ve done well despite Southgate, not because of him.

If this lot don’t actually go on to win something, it’ll be a travesty really. We have some really exceptional England players now. Other than at CB I’d say.

[Guest Col city fan]

4 minutes ago, Steve_Walsh5 said:

What happened to the “I will only pick players on form and not on what they have previously done”

Tish and pish

’On current form’ Maddison would be one of the first on the team sheet

[Dahnsouff]

28 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Southgate has had the right to trust his favourites though, they have delivered in tournaments so I don't really get the argument. Been our most successful manager since sir Alf and the competition for these places are vast. The players now are used to playing with each other and are a unit so it's even harder to break in. He does deserve a call up though but I'm not sure about the actual world cup squad yet, my main issue with Southgate is the constant coady and Ming's inclusions despite them not doing owt for England and being pretty poor for their club sides. As opposed to say Maguire who's had an awful season but has been our best defender in back to back tournaments. I think people forget that club form doesn't always translate into being good for your national team, Miroslav Klose had a somewhat average club career but is arguably Germany's best striker, it's swings and roundabouts

 

This is all fair enough, but why Bowen? Why JJ? Bowen on form is especially deserving of a call up though, but by the same logic why take Gallagher and not Maddison?

[Supergray22]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

This is all fair enough, but why Bowen? Why JJ? Bowen on form is especially deserving of a call up though, but by the same logic why take Gallagher and not Maddison?

I would take Maddison and gallacher. Gallacher has had an outstanding season like Madders and he played well on his debut. Maddison should be on there definitely on form plus we need more creative players with his skill set to break teams down. Madders should be there. Something wrong with Southgate. This was a good chance to take a look at him in an England shirt and acclimatise him with the squad ahead of the World Cup. 

[Hammo]

Has Rodgers gone on holiday? If he felt as angry about this as most of us fans do, he should be calling out Southgate on the Maddison snub.

 

Go on, Brendan, make yourself heard, openly support your club’s Player of the Season. A headline-grabbing quote or two from you should make this a nationwide narrative…

[tetly]

You have to feel for him not getting a England call up. Not sure what more he has to do to get called up. He has improved so much this year, there isn’t a better English  no 10.

[The Horse's Mouth]

25 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

This is all fair enough, but why Bowen? Why JJ? Bowen on form is especially deserving of a call up though, but by the same logic why take Gallagher and not Maddison?

JJ is due to shortages in position, I think Gallagher is more easier to fit into both systems if we utilise a 5 or a 4 , whereas with maddison if you're playing with a 5 he's being put out on the wing most likely. There's not a lot between the two and you could argue Gallagher has been more consistent over the season.

[The Horse's Mouth]

34 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

My feeling, given our current pool of players, is that we’ve done well despite Southgate, not because of him.

If this lot don’t actually go on to win something, it’ll be a travesty really. We have some really exceptional England players now. Other than at CB I’d say.

Then he'll never win in your eyes, first final since 66 taking over fresh from a knockout the Iceland he's very much bedded them into the system. Don't get being so overly negative about England with how well we've done honestly 

[Tommy G]

Criminal he hasn’t been given a run out in the Nations league! 
 

upside he can have a nice few weeks off now with his family 

[Tielemans63]

Prefers Mason 'Gone Missing' Mount. 

 

I'm genuinely gutted for him. It's a joke of a decision. Can only think that Madders has committed the crime of having a personality and occasionally speaking his mind. Perhaps if he were a boring bastard he'd get the call.

Edited 24 May 2022 by Tielemans63

[TaggertvsWise]

42 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

My feeling, given our current pool of players, is that we’ve done well despite Southgate, not because of him.

If this lot don’t actually go on to win something, it’ll be a travesty really. We have some really exceptional England players now. Other than at CB I’d say.

Agree with this. The issue I have is it’s easy to be something someone isn’t (Southgate sorted so many issues out in our squad of players) but it’s hard to actually build something afterwards. We have become hard to beat under Gareth but, in my opinion, when it matters he lacks the tactical nouse to unleash what could be a formidable team.

[Spudulike]

11 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

JJ is due to shortages in position, I think Gallagher is more easier to fit into both systems if we utilise a 5 or a 4 , whereas with maddison if you're playing with a 5 he's being put out on the wing most likely. There's not a lot between the two and you could argue Gallagher has been more consistent over the season.

Or you could also argue this is Gallagher's reward for committing to England when he also qualified for Scotland and RoI. Who knows what promises have been made but it might be an explanation. 

[fuchsntf]

Maddison will be hurting ..

Question is..depends without judgement..how much.

 

Various Wanna-bes, can be deeply disappointed, others can roll it & just get on with their sport & still put in those extra miles..Even the chosen can find the intern competition above them,

then the escalator goes either up with their dreams & aspirations others just hit their own alarm bells....

From the outside or on the peripheries

one should not try and assume..

It can be amazing how these people see their paths...

[CrispinLA in Texas]

53 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

My feeling, given our current pool of players, is that we’ve done well despite Southgate, not because of him.

If this lot don’t actually go on to win something, it’ll be a travesty really. We have some really exceptional England players now. Other than at CB I’d say.

England should drop the nutter Maguire and bring back Chris Smalling.

He's been exceptional for Roma, experienced and looks the part with his hair style 😃

[st albans fox]

Maybe the truth surrounding the ‘casino’ incident wasn’t so great for madders 

 

but Southgate has often said he doesn’t want to play with a ten and he clearly doesn’t think madders is physical enough to be an eight 

 

If mount or Foden get injured then he has indicated madders would be in line - but why not call him up for this squad - just in case. Otherwise you’re calling someone up who hasn’t been in the squad for over two and a half years …

 

 

[Always Next Year]

Regardless of who Southgate selects, when it comes the the actual competition he will pick the same shit team that continue to fail .

[Tielemans63]

So short-sighted imho. The Nations League represents a perfect opportunity to see what players like Madders can do. If either Foden or Mount gets injured for the world cup then he has a problem as he hasn't bothered to integrate anyone else.

 

I think it's a ****ing insult to say that Mount and Foden are the only guys he needs in that position. Managed to find a place for Jesse ****ing Lingard when he'd made all of 2 appearances for united early this season.

 

As you can probably tell, I genuinely think this decision is appalling.

[Jimmy]

Maddison should do everything he can to switch to Ireland, F.A. won't sack Southgate and Southgate won't pick him