Popular Post Nick Posted 26 February 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 26 February 2021 (edited) We’ve got a PL game every two days now and Ric and Tim coming back from injury. He’d saved Albrighton as Barnes is a bit knackered but it turns out we didn’t have the depth in quality or performance without them. Not totally sure it would have made a difference as we need a creative midfielder on the pitch and we didn’t have one and ended up with two DCM as Hamza didn’t make much of a box to box impact. As much as I don’t rate Perez and Praet, with no Madders, having either of them would have been a game changer. If Barnes had of played and got injured playing the full 90 that’s season over nevemind the Europa league. We only have goals from 3 players and the main one that makes the majority of assists for them in recent weeks, is out. Shoulda Woulda Coulda.... The only thing I’m retrospectively even more pissed off about is that we couldn’t bring in a quality back up in the window for Youri or Madders. This team is short on quality in terms of having 2 class players/options for every position just about everywhere except CB and Full back. We don’t have a decent back up keeper, Mendy is nearly adequate to back up Ndidi but not a patch on him - then we struggle for a first choice RW and a second choice player in every position in front of Ndidi... and there lies our problem, plus it won’t be sorted for a fair few seasons yet! Edited 26 February 2021 by Nick 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StanSP Posted 26 February 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 26 February 2021 For anyone who doesn't think he takes responsibility, either... 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 4 minutes ago, StanSP said: For anyone who doesn't think he takes responsibility, either... I was going to post this last night. I struggle to warm to him and a big reason is that he very rarely comes out with anything like this. I’m not expecting him to come out and self-flagellate after every loss but when we are bad we are rank and so often that is down obvious tactical issues. He’s not afraid to praise “us” tactically when we win but discussion of selection or tactics is seldom heard after a loss. But he’s gone up a lot in my estimations after last night, he was extremely respectful and complimentary of Slavia and had acknowledged he personally got it wrong. He’s got a very hard job at the moment with the unusual season, injuries and fighting on what was 3 fronts and he’s doing a very good job in the circumstances. Things like this show he’s a bit more comfortable in his own skin than he was towards the end of last season where everything was somebody else’s fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmono84 Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 8 hours ago, matty98 said: Gutted with the result but atleast Rodgers showed some class at the end, rather than the bollocks certain managers come out with after an unexpected loss. Have a word with yourself and how your players conduct with themselves on the pitch. You act the nice guy but clearly condone that stupid gamesmanship behaviour, especially in the first leg! That crap ref the first leg needs sacking too, Nacho banned for this tie because he hasn’t got a clue. The player cheated him out of the tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoopid Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 8 hours ago, BenTheFox said: Take Villa in the League Cup semi-final last season. Best chance for us to get to Wembley in 20 years against a team who we absolutely annihilated in the league and who were really struggling at time. Last season we finished outside of the top four after blowing a very commanding lead. I'll even chuck in Chelsea at home in the FA Cup last season too. They were absolutely woeful in the first half and we didn't capitalise on it and were knocked out. My point is that tonight is not an isolated incident. When it comes to the crunch we haven't gotten over the line. For what it's worth I believe that the club played an absolute blinder in getting Rodgers and he's been a brilliant manager for us and you'd be correct in arguing that Rodgers is very much a reason why we were in those positions in the first place. Good points. There's a worrying tendency to freeze in the headlights when it really matters. Hard to pin down to specifics, but it keeps happening with this manager. I like what he's done for our club, but these repeated incidents seem to dog his career and must be a concern to him in his moments of honest reflection. We're still doing well, but last night did us no good at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmono84 Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 He needs to push for new signings next season if we’re going to take Europe seriously. He’s been unlucky with injuries but our forward options and attacking mid options are short and needs bolstering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 14 minutes ago, Nick said: We’ve got a PL game every two days now and Ric and Tim coming back from injury. He’d saved Albrighton as Barnes is a bit knackered but it turns out we didn’t have the depth in quality or performance without them. Not totally sure it would have made a difference as we need a creative midfielder on the pitch and we didn’t have one and ended up with two DCM as Hamza didn’t make much of a box to box impact. As much as I don’t rate Perez and Praet, with no Madders, having either of them would have been a game changer. If Barnes had of played and got injured playing the full 90 that’s season over nevemind the Europa league. We only have goals from 3 players and the main one that makes the majority of assists for them in recent weeks, is out. Shoulda Woulda Coulda.... The only thing I’m retrospectively even more pissed off about is that we couldn’t bring in a quality back up in the window for Youri or Madders. This team is short on quality in terms of having 2 class players/options for every position just about everywhere except CB and Full back. We don’t have a decent back up keeper, Mendy is nearly adequate to back up Ndidi but not a patch on him - then we struggle for a first choice RW and a second choice player in every position in front of Ndidi... and there lies our problem, plus it won’t be sorted for a fair few seasons yet! Hard to disagree with any of this, always thought this would be a difficult season with the physical demanding schedule and little time to prepare. From the outside looking in, this season has been about keeping things as tight as possible financial, due to the pandemic. The club has managed to trim a lot of fat from the squad Slim, Silva, whilst reinvesting the Chilwell money well in Fofana and Castagne for a net spend of 5M. We probably needed to spend anout 40m-50m to cover the areas of weakness in the squad in attacking areas, which was never going to happen considering our normal net spend of 20m and the financial pressure of the pandemic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 The injuries and fixture congestion are valid points and should be taken into consideration but it doesn't completely absolve Brendan of any blame. There does seem to be a motivation problem in these kind of games. Hope it doesn't also creep into our league form now that we're in the business end of the season. He gets the plaudits when we're doing well so he should also be open to criticism. Big game on Sunday! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HighPeakFox Posted 26 February 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 26 February 2021 9 hours ago, BenTheFox said: Take Villa in the League Cup semi-final last season. Best chance for us to get to Wembley in 20 years against a team who we absolutely annihilated in the league and who were really struggling at time. Last season we finished outside of the top four after blowing a very commanding lead. I'll even chuck in Chelsea at home in the FA Cup last season too. They were absolutely woeful in the first half and we didn't capitalise on it and were knocked out. My point is that tonight is not an isolated incident. When it comes to the crunch we haven't gotten over the line. For what it's worth I believe that the club played an absolute blinder in getting Rodgers and he's been a brilliant manager for us and you'd be correct in arguing that Rodgers is very much a reason why we were in those positions in the first place. Absolutely take your points here. But as a counter, it's easy with hindsight to choose the 'line' that we've stumbled at. Example? Well, it is easy to imagine that had we got to the next round then faltered, the same accusation would/could have been made, and the round after that, and the round after that.... it's too easy. I think perhaps it is wiser to look at all the lines that HAVEN'T been failed, the heady league position indicates a lot of bottle and a consistent non-stumbling at lines. Despite losing 6 league games this season, it hasn't caused a malaise, the team have come back and delivered. This isn't really directed at you, but at a general mindset that is probably not yours, Ben. But there will probably be someone at the end of the season say 'if we'd won at home to WHU and Villa we'd have won the league'. There's no countering such nonsense, because it cannot be proven either way, but it allows the casual malcontent to confidently 'what if/yeah but' until the cows come home. I look at all the lines successfully traversed - Arsenal away, Man City away, Liverpool, even the draw vs Man U had merit compared to what had gone before. I'm most worried about Sunday, because if we don't turn up and win, a lot of tacit Faustian pacts will be thrown at BR, and the forum will be full of angry crap, whilst conveniently ignoring the mammoth effort already put in to get us this far despite colossal injury problems. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 9 hours ago, Adster said: So many football experts in this thread aided with hindsight who think they'd do a better job than Rodgers. Fvcking morons. What's the point in a forum if you cannot criticize something? If you have a bad meal out do you not criticize because you're not a chef? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 1 hour ago, StanSP said: For anyone who doesn't think he takes responsibility, either... And for anyone saying it isn't his responsibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 4 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: And for anyone saying it isn't his responsibility Who has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 9 hours ago, BenTheFox said: Take Villa in the League Cup semi-final last season. Best chance for us to get to Wembley in 20 years against a team who we absolutely annihilated in the league and who were really struggling at time. Last season we finished outside of the top four after blowing a very commanding lead. I'll even chuck in Chelsea at home in the FA Cup last season too. They were absolutely woeful in the first half and we didn't capitalise on it and were knocked out. My point is that tonight is not an isolated incident. When it comes to the crunch we haven't gotten over the line. For what it's worth I believe that the club played an absolute blinder in getting Rodgers and he's been a brilliant manager for us and you'd be correct in arguing that Rodgers is very much a reason why we were in those positions in the first place. Everything you said is correct. The League Cup semi final and the 15 points we threw away is something I find hard to get over. Remember if we beat Villa we would face a very beatable Man City side who had lost 9 league games that season, not this runaway train we are watching this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 10 minutes ago, StanSP said: Who has? Seen a few say it's all on the players 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 Personally I think Brendan and the squad will be relieved this morning. Far fewer games, far less travel, far fewer physical demands. They’ll be able to focus and hopefully secure CL football. There is no disguise to this blessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzy_Larsson Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 2 hours ago, jmono84 said: Have a word with yourself and how your players conduct with themselves on the pitch. You act the nice guy but clearly condone that stupid gamesmanship behaviour, especially in the first leg! That crap ref the first leg needs sacking too, Nacho banned for this tie because he hasn’t got a clue. The player cheated him out of the tie. That's European football, you think that's bad you should try facing the Italian sides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzy_Larsson Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 As much as I think that side last night should have been good enough to dispatch Slavia at home, as I've said earlier in the thread, the key thing now is to go on and finish the season strongly and get a CL spot. If that happens this result will be consigned to the bin and will be a distant memory. What can't happen is surrendering meekly in Europe last night and then blowing the CL spot also. For what it's worth I don't think the latter will happen this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxile5 Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 1 hour ago, Muzzy_Larsson said: As much as I think that side last night should have been good enough to dispatch Slavia at home, as I've said earlier in the thread, the key thing now is to go on and finish the season strongly and get a CL spot. If that happens this result will be consigned to the bin and will be a distant memory. What can't happen is surrendering meekly in Europe last night and then blowing the CL spot also. For what it's worth I don't think the latter will happen this season. I think that's what everyone is trying not to look directly at - the possibility of us blowing a healthy buffer in the CL spots AND going out of the Europa. Like you say, this is forgotten if we qualify for the Champions League. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adster Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 3 hours ago, Fox92 said: What's the point in a forum if you cannot criticize something? If you have a bad meal out do you not criticize because you're not a chef? Did you not reach some of the fvcking drivel in the match thread? Do you think it was "fair"? If you do then fair play but it was fvcking embarassing from some of our "fans". Short termism at it's finest. If you're down for that, then fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 Just now, Adster said: Did you not reach some of the fvcking drivel in the match thread? Do you think it was "fair"? If you do then fair play but it was fvcking embarassing from some of our "fans". Short termism at it's finest. If you're down for that, then fine. No I rarely go into the match threads but I've always believed criticism is fine (as long as it's not abuse). Some of the stuff I see in threads on here is rubbish, and not fair as you say, but it doesn't take away from the fact genuine criticism is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 3 hours ago, Fox92 said: What's the point in a forum if you cannot criticize something? If you have a bad meal out do you not criticize because you're not a chef? You might criticise it but if you started screaming about how it was a disgrace or the worst meal anyone has ever eaten, I think people would rightly get the impression you were a bit of a tit 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TJB-fox Posted 26 February 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 26 February 2021 3 minutes ago, Guest said: You might criticise it but if you started screaming about how it was a disgrace or the worst meal anyone has ever eaten, I think people would rightly get the impression you were a bit of a tit Not to mention that the meal was at your favourite restaurant which had been serving brilliant food all year but just so happens the night you ate there it was short-staffed and worn out! 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 4 minutes ago, Guest said: You might criticise it but if you started screaming about how it was a disgrace or the worst meal anyone has ever eaten, I think people would rightly get the impression you were a bit of a tit As I've clarified above, general criticism is fine. I don't know how anybody expects any different after yesterday's performance and result. But I do agree some people go over the top. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 10 minutes ago, TJB-fox said: Not to mention that the meal was at your favourite restaurant which had been serving brilliant food all year but just so happens the night you ate there it was short-staffed and worn out! Over two legs. It wasn't just a one off game settled by a golden goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJB-fox Posted 26 February 2021 Share Posted 26 February 2021 1 minute ago, Fox92 said: Over two legs. It wasn't just a one off game settled by a golden goal. Thanks for clarifying, I was of the assumption that had we scored first last night the tie would’ve immediately ended and we be sent through to the next round 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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