The “ I’ve got something to say, but it doesn’t warrant its own thread “ thread.

[bovril]

26 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

To echo @SecretPro:

 

"I'm white English and most often refer to my self as British. Borders aren't really my thing (they are after all just a political/economic construct and increasingly a dividing line) and I mostly consider myself a person of planet Earth. I'm not really arsed if I'm English, British, Swedish or Yiddish to be honest."

 

Amen to that. And to add to it, such thought may well be a matter of survival, not just moral choice.

You know more about climate change and shit than I do but surely in regards to 'infinite growth on a finite planet' a lot of the problems historically have been created precisely by forces that operate above and beyond national borders. Maybe devolution, local government, or even going back to the city state are better solutions. Talking about global solutions always feels to me a bit... imperialist?  

[SecretPro]

8 minutes ago, bovril said:

You know more about climate change and shit than I do but surely in regards to 'infinite growth on a finite planet' a lot of the problems historically have been created precisely by forces that operate above and beyond national borders. Maybe devolution, local government, or even going back to the city state are better solutions. Talking about global solutions always feels to me a bit... imperialist?  

It might seem that way but I think we are at a point now where only a truly global response is going to make the difference. @leicsmac was maybe also alluding to the fact that if we all felt more like children of the planet we might all have a bit more respect, reverence and stewardship for it beyond our own four walls, let alone our nearest border. 

[bovril]

4 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

It might seem that way but I think we are at a point now where only a truly global response is going to make the difference. @leicsmac was maybe also alluding to the fact that if we all felt more like children of the planet we might all have a bit more respect, reverence and stewardship for it beyond our own four walls, let alone our nearest border. 

That's fair and probably true

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

You know more about climate change and shit than I do but surely in regards to 'infinite growth on a finite planet' a lot of the problems historically have been created precisely by forces that operate above and beyond national borders. Maybe devolution, local government, or even going back to the city state are better solutions. Talking about global solutions always feels to me a bit... imperialist?  

 

53 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

It might seem that way but I think we are at a point now where only a truly global response is going to make the difference. @leicsmac was maybe also alluding to the fact that if we all felt more like children of the planet we might all have a bit more respect, reverence and stewardship for it beyond our own four walls, let alone our nearest border. 

Yeah, the above is about it really.

 

The only thing I'll add is that the responses do have to be tailored to the issue and local solutions are often better, but if we really want to preserve the current quality of life as it is (in terms of actually not dying of easily curable infections, temperature regulated living and working spaces, internet porn and all that) and bring that quality to more parts of the world, then it will be one world or no world.

[The Bear]

When talking about local v global, then we as a nation in the UK can be the greenest country on the planet and still not halt climate change if the massive nations like USA, China and Russia don't all act as well. 

[Daggers]

6 minutes ago, The Bear said:

When talking about local v global, then we as a nation in the UK can be the greenest country on the planet and still not halt climate change if the massive nations like USA, China and Russia don't all act as well. 

Cue: what if we build a better world for nothing gif.

[leicsmac]

6 hours ago, The Bear said:

When talking about local v global, then we as a nation in the UK can be the greenest country on the planet and still not halt climate change if the massive nations like USA, China and Russia don't all act as well. 

Absolutely.

 

But the UK has to try and to do what it can to get others to follow, because if it doesn't failure will be the only possible outcome.

Edited 2 August by leicsmac

[Jon the Hat]

6 hours ago, The Bear said:

When talking about local v global, then we as a nation in the UK can be the greenest country on the planet and still not halt climate change if the massive nations like USA, China and Russia don't all act as well. 

Our role should be to show it can be done without losing a good standard of living with technology, power mix and way better consumer behaviour.

[FoyleFox]

17 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

Scot Andrew  Cotter always sounds good on whatever sport he is commentator for. Even when during lockdown when telling us about the competition between his dogs.

 

17 hours ago, Tommy G said:

 

Andrew, Olive and Mable were a highlight of lockdown. Once sport restarted poor Andrew tried posting his proper sport work related posts and just received a deluge of 'where's Olive and Mable' 

[st albans fox]

Back from a week in wales yesterday 

 

why are the roads in such good condition?  Or was I just lucky ???

[jgtuk]

10 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Back from a week in wales yesterday 

 

why are the roads in such good condition?  Or was I just lucky ???

Where in Wales? 
Road condition is a lottery depending on the county but have noticed slow deterioration over the last few years, particularly on minor roads

[Vacamion]

17 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Back from a week in wales yesterday 

 

why are the roads in such good condition?  Or was I just lucky ???

 

Twenty mph  

[jgtuk]

1 minute ago, Vacamion said:

 

Twenty mph  

I’ve no problem with that, councils need to just make a few adjustments to certain roads and I’m sure it’ll work well. 
One less young person dying from a collision with a ton of metal is worth a few moaning old boomers late for their supermarket run. 

[st albans fox]

24 minutes ago, jgtuk said:

Where in Wales? 
Road condition is a lottery depending on the county but have noticed slow deterioration over the last few years, particularly on minor roads

Brecon

drove down to mumbles

and then out on the M4 which as soon as we got into England was a worse road surface 

 

 

 

[jgtuk]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Brecon

drove down to mumbles

and then out on the M4 which as soon as we got into England was a worse road surface 

 

 

 

Not been that way for a couple of years, Daughter travels that way regularly (from Malvern) and she said the same. 

[oakman]

Regardless of how shit a day I’ve had, the Team America ‘Matt Damon’ puppet will always make me laugh.

 

 

 

 

[Finnegan]

I just got sent some dudes Huddersfield Town season ticket by accident. 

 

Not gonna lie, the way our preseason is going I'm tempted to keep it. 

 

[David Hankey]

On 03/08/2024 at 10:26, jgtuk said:

Not been that way for a couple of years, Daughter travels that way regularly (from Malvern) and she said the same. 

Well we've got a Government now who's going to tackle this issue, or so we are led to believe.

[Innovindil]

In retrospect, probably a shite idea telling the country that the prisons are filled to the rafters. Grim times. 

[MPH]

On 01/08/2024 at 18:17, The Bear said:

When talking about local v global, then we as a nation in the UK can be the greenest country on the planet and still not halt climate change if the massive nations like USA, China and Russia don't all act as well. 

 

here’s the problem with the United States…  they have so many trees that people feel like they don’t have to try so hard. I’m serious!   They feel like it gives them some wiggle room. That’s one thing they have right though. Trees do help. There are more trees now in the United States that 50 years ago.

 

but honestly, they have more than enough money to be doing so much more! 

 

U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions.In the United States, greenhouse gas emissions caused by human activities decreased by 3 percent from 1990 to 2022, down from a high of 15.2 percent above 1990 levels in 2007. Carbon dioxide accounts for most of the nation's emissions.

Edited 5 August by MPH

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

here’s the problem with the United States…  they have so many trees that people feel like they don’t have to try so hard. I’m serious!   They feel like it gives them some wiggle room

 

U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions.In the United States, greenhouse gas emissions caused by human activities decreased by 3 percent from 1990 to 2022, down from a high of 15.2 percent above 1990 levels in 2007. Carbon dioxide accounts for most of the nation's emissions.

That's just an excuse for being lazy and not wanting to change habits even a bit tbh.

 

Need to be disabused of that notion before it harms a lot of people.

[MPH]

Just now, leicsmac said:

That's just an excuse for being lazy and not wanting to change habits even a bit tbh.

 

Need to be disabused of that notion before it harms a lot of people.

 I’m telling you, I hear it all the time as an excuse. It’s all about making more money and not putting any more curbs/ extra expenses on their business sector

[leicsmac]

Just now, MPH said:

 I’m telling you, I hear it all the time as an excuse. It’s all about making more money and not putting any more curbs/ extra expenses on their business sector

Yep, that too.

 

Well, either these people answer to people asking nicely now, or they answer, or they answer to (and are remembered in infamy by) much less forgiving parties in the future. Their choice, their legacy.

[Tommy G]

On 01/08/2024 at 23:17, The Bear said:

When talking about local v global, then we as a nation in the UK can be the greenest country on the planet and still not halt climate change if the massive nations like USA, China and Russia don't all act as well. 

Agreed but as a member of the G7 we should be walking the walk, or it comes to a case of do as I say not as I do - I think there a re lots of initiatives we can do locally to improve the local climate, less pollution on your doorstep will benefit your lungs for example. 

[leicsmac]

15 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Agreed but as a member of the G7 we should be walking the walk, or it comes to a case of do as I say not as I do - I think there a re lots of initiatives we can do locally to improve the local climate, less pollution on your doorstep will benefit your lungs for example. 

We have to walk the walk and play a leading part in convincing others to do so as well, yes.