Cricket (None Leicestershire County Cricket Club)

[SexyGammonFox]

13 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

What did Rafiq say? 

Something anti-Semitic apparently.

[st albans fox]

20 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

What did Rafiq say? 

‘Standard’ Jewish tropes in a social media convo with a mate at leics cc - nothing particularly terrible but he’s brought his credibility into question as a knight of anti racism …..

 

[Bert]

He shouldn’t have gone through what he’s had to go through but to come out knowing he’s actually part of the problem… Well I just don’t know what to think anymore. 

[StanSP]

5 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Rafiq seems to have a few skeletons himself relating to when he was 19.  
 

going out there to highlight the awful treatment he had places him in the firing line - not entirely fair but inevitable 

 

3 hours ago, st albans fox said:

‘Standard’ Jewish tropes in a social media convo with a mate at leics cc - nothing particularly terrible but he’s brought his credibility into question as a knight of anti racism …..

 

I'm in no way excusing Rafiq from what he said and like you say, skeletons have come crawling out for his own conduct, but I hope it doesn't detract from the bigger picture and message he initially and continues to try to convey - the culture and behaviour of Yorkshire and other CC clubs is despicable. 

 

Him at 19 stating anti-Semitic comments on FB are bad enough. Granted. 

 

But what he faced throughout his time at Yorkshire is terrible considering the behaviour he was forced to experience by senior players. 

 

I'm pretty sure we were all excusing Hamza Choudhury for some crap he said as a teenager. And I think we all would in any case. It looks worse because of all the good that Rafiq wants to do - I think this is also a pretty big message that needs to be retained. Far too many people in the world commit racism (casual or not, intentional or not) and refuse to change and refuse to believe they've done something wrong. Rafiq, like Brooks, is at least sensible enough to recognise those skeletons, apologise for it and change culture on a grander scale.

 

Again, not saying what Rafiq has done is in any way acceptable, but the bigger picture is that he wants to change things for the better. Anyone named in that report by Yorkshire hasn't come out and done the same (not sure if Brooks is in that report). 

Edited 18 November 2021 by StanSP

[st albans fox]

Rafiq has done his bit and suffered as a consequence 

 

the game has to reform itself but I fear a lot of the closet racists will look at this and use it to justify to themselves that they dont have a problem 

Edited 18 November 2021 by st albans fox

[Voll Blau]

 

 

Sums it up.

[String fellow]

9 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

I think the same with Jonathan Agnew. 

 

He's EXACTLY the sort of aloof, privileged toff that holds cricket back. Getting him - a white, late middle aged Uppingham school educated posho -  to discuss racism is excruciating, at best. 

Having previously moaned about ageism on FT, I now feel it's time to have a moan about classism, something else which appears depressingly often on this forum. Tbh, the message quoted could be deemed to exhibit three -isms, if you look closely enough.

[Lionator]

What Rafiq said barely registers on the scale of the abuse that he received. Sustained racial discrimination and bullying over a number of years as part of destructive culture is not the same as a single offensive comment on a social media site.

[Tommy Fresh]

Tim Paine resigned as captain overnight because of an incident a few years back involving texts to a female colleague. 

Edited 19 November 2021 by Tommy Fresh

[Super_horns]

13 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Tim Paine resigned as captain overnight because of an incident a few years back involving texts to a female colleague. 

Who doesn’t sound like she is totally free of scandal but yes certainly isn’t a good look for him as captain.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-19/cricket-australia-tim-paine-sexting-scandal/100634922

 

Dose this mean they will make Steve Smith captain ?

[Tommy Fresh]

9 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

Who doesn’t sound like she is totally free of scandal but yes certainly isn’t a good look for him as captain.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-19/cricket-australia-tim-paine-sexting-scandal/100634922

 

Dose this mean they will make Steve Smith captain ?

Unsure on the captaincy, interesting to see if he still plays as I'm sure there's a number of better keepers/batsman who have struggled to get in the side with Paine being captain (therefore undroppable)

[walkerleeds]

Wow, three weeks before The Ashes start. 

 

They reckon Cummins will take the captaincy.

[Hitesh]

1 hour ago, Super_horns said:

Who doesn’t sound like she is totally free of scandal but yes certainly isn’t a good look for him as captain.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-19/cricket-australia-tim-paine-sexting-scandal/100634922

 

Dose this mean they will make Steve Smith captain ?

It's like they've planned it that way

[Hitesh]

These may or may not be the messages...

 

 

 

[Vacamion]

 

 

I bet his missus was well chuffed. 

 

Well chuffed he was directing that attention elsewhere.  

 

 

[StanSP]

What a player he's been. One of the best of this modern generation. 

 

 

 

[Manini]

21 minutes ago, Hitesh said:

These may or may not be the messages...

 

 

 

“What the hell is doctor Curtis Sinclair playing at….I’ve got a little stiffy on here!” 

[Stinkenzo]

I don't understand what is so bad about what he's done that he has to resign? Am I being dense 

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, Walkers said:

I don't understand what is so bad about what he's done that he has to resign? Am I being dense 

I wonder if there's more than what has met the public eye so far... 

[Innovindil]

2 minutes ago, Walkers said:

I don't understand what is so bad about what he's done that he has to resign? Am I being dense 

Yeah if those are the actual texts then I'm with you. Seems 2 adults having a bit of fun, albeit in a cringy way. Probably more to do with the fact he is/was married than the actual content. 

 

Meh. 

[Stinkenzo]

So is his Australia career over or is that stuff only unacceptable for the captain of the side? 

[RowlattsFox]

Bit weird from Paine. Looks like he just wants the excuse to quit the captain role. I guess it does bring unwanted attention and he can avoid press conferences. Press have probably been sitting on this for a while and as usual wait until just before a big event to release it. 

 

For me, unless it's to someone underage it's got nothing to do with anyone other than his family. 

[eblair]

13 hours ago, Lionator said:

What Rafiq said barely registers on the scale of the abuse that he received. Sustained racial discrimination and bullying over a number of years as part of destructive culture is not the same as a single offensive comment on a social media site.

think what rafiq said sort of chimed exactly with the culture of cricket; changing room culture where everything is acceptable and nothing is too offensive. doesn't excuse what he said, but definitely does nothing to discredit it

 

(think he was always quite open he was not proud of way he behaved when he was younger)

[Lako42]

16 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

You're right. I don't like Agnew full stop. Awful man.  

 

 

Have you ever met him? 

[Finnegan]

15 hours ago, st albans fox said:

nothing particularly terrible

 

I mean, it was pretty disgusting to be honest. 

 

But it's also quite obviously been dug up as a classic ad hominem move to discredit Rafiq. As soon as he came out with his accusations it was near inevitable that someone responded this way. 

 

It's the racism equivalent of digging through a rape victim's social media to find pictures of them partying drunk in skimpy outfits. 

 

It's ludicrously transparent and takes nothing away at all from Rafiq's accusations but that's very much the intention and it sadly will work with a lot of people.