Formula 1 2021

[foxes_rule1978]

21 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Well it is

Well it wasnt deliberate so… how is that cheating? he got the penalty he deserved and won 

Edited 18 July 2021 by foxes_rule1978

[foxes_rule1978]

2 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I will admit as well I was quite level headed till I put money on leclerc as well he bottled it bless him, would love to be in the crowd rn

Explains your over reaction  

[UniFox21]

Brilliant finish, Hamilton showing his class

[Asha]

3 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Brilliant finish, Hamilton showing his class

Showing class? Celebrating like that after hospitalising his rival? 

[foxes_rule1978]

Just now, Asha said:

Showing class? Celebrating like that after hospitalising his rival? 

The first thing hamilton said when pulling into the pits with the red flag was ask how Max was… he is perfectly fine 

[Facecloth]

4 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

The first thing hamilton said when pulling into the pits with the red flag was ask how Max was… he is perfectly fine 

Don't let that spoil the narrative. Hamilton is clearly a nasty man who was hell bent of killing his rival, and not someone 33 points behind in a championship race who would have surely wanted to avoid contact in case he ended up out the race.

[PhillippaT]

6 minutes ago, Asha said:

Showing class? Celebrating like that after hospitalising his rival? 

It was an accident - they happen in F1, even if it it was still his fault for his car being in the way when it shouldn't have been (Max had the corner by then, but Lewis hadn't quite braked enough, and given enough room) - are people complaining just because he didn't blatantly lock a tire and make it obvious it was accident?

 

Note: If he'd wanted to be deliberate against Max, he wouldn't have braked as he did at all, and ran much deeper into the corner running him off the track while keeping himself fully alongside - but that's not how Hamilton rolls - (especially because that's really dangerous there).

Edited 18 July 2021 by PhillippaT

[The Horse's Mouth]

All seriousness, like I said before but expanding on that if that was Rosberg 2016 in Max's shoes he'd have backed out

[DJ Barry Hammond]

21 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

All seriousness, like I said before but expanding on that if that was Rosberg 2016 in Max's shoes he'd have backed out

Hamilton and Rosberg collided 6 times… including the Spanish & Austrian GP’s in 2016, where in the later mentioned race, Hamilton went on to win.

[Legend_in_blue]

 

1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

He didn't take a gamble he left so much space, Hamilton took him off

 

If you watch the in car movements on the wheel, you will see that Max makes two clear turns to the right on Hamilton.  In doing so it creates the contact.

 

It's a racing incident through and through, Max on the rough end of the deal.  It's racing.  It happens.  

[jammie82uk]

1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

All seriousness, like I said before but expanding on that if that was Rosberg 2016 in Max's shoes he'd have backed out

Charles shown at the end when Lewis did the same exact thing to him how wide you had to go to allow the move to happen and very nearly binned it himself to allow Lewis the room 

36 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

 

If you watch the in car movements on the wheel, you will see that Max makes two clear turns to the right on Hamilton.  In doing so it creates the contact.

 

It's a racing incident through and through, Max on the rough end of the deal.  It's racing.  It happens.  

That can be deceiving as Max is obviously turning right to go round a right hand corner 

[Jimmy]

15 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

Charles shown at the end when Lewis did the same exact thing to him how wide you had to go to allow the move to happen and very nearly binned it himself to allow Lewis the room 

That can be deceiving as Max is obviously turning right to go round a right hand corner 

but he is aware Lewis is there and still turned very sharply trying to close the door on Lewis, Max would have done exactly what Lewis did if roles were reversed, all the noise from Red Bull is a disgrace

[jammie82uk]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

but he is aware Lewis is there and still turned very sharply trying to close the door on Lewis, Max would have done exactly what Lewis did if roles were reversed, all the noise from Red Bull is a disgrace

I’m not entirely sure he is aware Lewis is there but only Max himself will know that

[DJ Barry Hammond]

3 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

I’m not entirely sure he is aware Lewis is there but only Max himself will know that

Of course he is, he’s been fighting Lewis for 3 or 4 corners before that! 

[Jimmy]

2 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

I’m not entirely sure he is aware Lewis is there but only Max himself will know that

the on board footage clearly shows him checking his mirrors, if he cannot see Lewis then they need to mandate bigger mirrors but he must have known

 

Karoon did a great piece showing the moves Max has put on Lewis of late, just the same as Lewis only one of them backed out, this time Lewis didn't. The way Max drives a crash like this was inevitable if someone decided not to back off, maybe it will make him more cautious, it was great racing though

[foxes_rule1978]

Just now, DJ Barry Hammond said:

Of course he is, he’s been fighting Lewis for 3 or 4 corners before that! 

Yeah looking at it, he will know where Lewis is, like you said they had been in a close battle for the first few corners… so any turning in on the corner was going to cause a collision. Max has a tendency to try to squeeze drivers he has been doing it since he started. 

[Jimmy]

The big thing for me though is this, Mercedes need to pull the trigger now and replace Bottas with Russel, he is just not good enough to come close to fighting with Lewis. Russel when he covered for Lewis dropped Bottas for pace and only unreliability stole a win from him

Edited 18 July 2021 by Jimmy

[Legend_in_blue]

30 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

Charles shown at the end when Lewis did the same exact thing to him how wide you had to go to allow the move to happen and very nearly binned it himself to allow Lewis the room 

That can be deceiving as Max is obviously turning right to go round a right hand corner 

It wasn't deceiving at all.  Max has made two separate right turns on the wheel.  The second turn has initiated contact.

 

Look at previous this season.  Max has been overly aggressive in passes at the start on Hamilton in a couple of races.  Had Hamilton not left space a collision would have occurred.  If anything I would argue that Hamilton has been too passive in these key moments allowing the overtake.

 

Today he had his elbows out, wasn't going to be bullied out of it, Max should have left more space.

 

The response from Horner typifies the fella when he is under pressure.  He's all sunshine and light when it goes his way, but as soon as something isn't to his liking he spits his dummy out and creates merry hell.  

 

To beat Hamilton you have to be clever at being aggressive.  You almost have to cheat the rulebook.  Rosberg is evidence of that.  All the greats in the past have ultimately been bested in similar fashion.  

 

Ultimately today Max wasn't clever at being aggressive and was hung out to dry on that corner.

Edited 18 July 2021 by Legend_in_blue

[Jimmy]

Just now, foxes_rule1978 said:

Yeah looking at it, he will know where Lewis is, like you said they had been in a close battle for the first few corners… so any turning in on the corner was going to cause a collision. Max has a tendency to try to squeeze drivers he has been doing it since he started. 

at Imola this year he forced Lewis off the track on the outside, if you are going to race that way don't cry when you come off worst

[foxes_rule1978]

Max getting his pants in a twist… we have what we have wanted in a long time a proper title battle between drivers that don’t want to give way. Bring it on 

[Super_horns]

Didn’t help Red Bulls mood that Perez basically didn’t get anywhere whilst Bottas got good points .

 

Not sure they can really complain about Hamilton celebrating in front of the home fans .

[Lcfc82]

1 hour ago, Jimmy said:

at Imola this year he forced Lewis off the track on the outside, if you are going to race that way don't cry when you come off worst

Exactly this, Verstappen is far more ruthless than Hamilton. His and Red bull’s complaining is embarrassing, they need to shut up and get on with it.

[isaidno]

Bottas needs binning , even with Hamilton's penalty he was nowhere near him.

[The Bear]

Red Bull's response has been pathetic all round. Max has made plenty more aggressive manouvers than today and caused plenty of crashes. 

 

Let's not pretend Lewis wasn't at fault though. His claim of being alongside is laughable. How can you be alongside in the corner if your left front hits his rear tyre? 

 

Lewis got penalised and came back to win. Max got punted out. It happens. No doubt Max has been the beneficiary in the past too with some of his reckless moves. They should stop whining publicly and move on, even if they are furious privately. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

40 minutes ago, isaidno said:

Bottas needs binning , even with Hamilton's penalty he was nowhere near him.

Behave didn't exactly what was asked and let Hamilton through he's perfect for that team.