Formula 1 2021

[Legend_in_blue]

 

 

[Stinkenzo]

If he did get away with it, essentially they are saying its okay to defend your position by leaving the track. Atleast Perez will know what he did wrong at Austria...

[The Horse's Mouth]

Did think this, the way both are going to the FIA currently, would anybody be surprised if we get a winner at Abu Dhabi but we're waiting to know if the result stands because of an after race appeal

[st albans fox]

29 minutes ago, Walkers said:

If he did get away with it, essentially they are saying its okay to defend your position by leaving the track. Atleast Perez will know what he did wrong at Austria...

I wonder if they might state that the stewards made an error in Brazil (stating that they didn’t have all the camera angles as a kop out).   but that it’s not reasonable to give max a penalty for the following race  - he should have had that last Sunday. hence they are stating that driving like he did is unacceptable. 

[Stinkenzo]

Overtaking around the outside 1950-2021 RIP

[Nalis]

If someone on the outside is attempted to be forced off and the person trying to overtake was to say 'accidently nudge' the back corner of the defending car then surely that it allowed if forcing someone off on the outside is allowed?

[The Horse's Mouth]

Thank **** for that 

[yorkie1999]

13 minutes ago, Nalis said:

If someone on the outside is attempted to be forced off and the person trying to overtake was to say 'accidently nudge' the back corner of the defending car then surely that it allowed if forcing someone off on the outside is allowed?

I doesn't matter about the details as everyone has an opinion, the only thing that matters is what the stewards think. The reason that there won't be a further hearing is that if you start handing out retrospective action for every bit of controversy, where does it end? Should senna have been awarded a world championship even though he ran prost off, evidence says not, should schmacher have been awarded a world championship even though he ran Hill off to deny him a world championship, same thing. Once the decision not to award a penalty has been taken, you can't really change it, Redbull could have been docked  five seconds, therby giving Bottas extra points and taking them off Verstappen, but then Redbull could argue that if they'd known about have a penalty, they would have made sure their car was more than 5 seconds ahead, it's never ending. I think this is more to do with Mercedes forcing the stewards to be more vigilant in the remaing races.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, yorkie1999 said:

I doesn't matter about the details as everyone has an opinion, the only thing that matters is what the stewards think. The reason that there won't be a further hearing is that if you start handing out retrospective action for every bit of controversy, where does it end? Should senna have been awarded a world championship even though he ran prost off, evidence says not, should schmacher have been awarded a world championship even though he ran Hill off to deny him a world championship, same thing. Once the decision not to award a penalty has been taken, you can't really change it, Redbull could have been docked  five seconds, therby giving Bottas extra points and taking them off Verstappen, but then Redbull could argue that if they'd known about have a penalty, they would have made sure their car was more than 5 seconds ahead, it's never ending. I think this is more to do with Mercedes forcing the stewards to be more vigilant in the remaing races.

Agree with all of that and assume they will remind drivers that they cannot deliberately push an opponent off the track in the pre race drivers meeting. 

the stewards in Brazil cocked up - a 5 sec penalty would have been an easy call to make once Lewis had passed max and not had a big effect on things 

[foxes_rule1978]

21 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Agree with all of that and assume they will remind drivers that they cannot deliberately push an opponent off the track in the pre race drivers meeting. 

the stewards in Brazil cocked up - a 5 sec penalty would have been an easy call to make once Lewis had passed max and not had a big effect on things 

Well a 5 second penalty would have dropped him from 2nd to third and his lead cut to 11 points. With how close things are a 3 point drop is pretty significant. 

[Legend_in_blue]

Well done to the FIA.

 

Running someone off the track including yourself without penalty is no longer confined to the likes of Gran Turismo, Project Cars or Assetto Corsa.

 

 

[Jimmy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59337775

 

Lewis showing more balls than I expect any footballer will do during the World Cup

[yorkie1999]

3 hours ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

Well a 5 second penalty would have dropped him from 2nd to third and his lead cut to 11 points. With how close things are a 3 point drop is pretty significant. 

It would, but why a 5 second penalty, why not a 3 second penalty? 

[foxes_rule1978]

8 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

It would, but why a 5 second penalty, why not a 3 second penalty? 

If I’m not mistaken, isn’t a 5 second penalty the minimum that can be handed out for such an incident. Could be wrong though I haven’t read up all the regulations 

[Stinkenzo]

The whole point in penalties is to penalise.. why are we discussing penalising somebody to an extent where it makes sure they don't lose out

 

I know sometimes a 5s penalty doesnt make a difference to the final result but still

Edited 19 November 2021 by Walkers

[yorkie1999]

54 minutes ago, Walkers said:

The whole point in penalties is to penalise.. why are we discussing penalising somebody to an extent where it makes sure they don't lose out

 

I know sometimes a 5s penalty doesnt make a difference to the final result but still

Hamilton recieved a 10 second penalty at Silverstone and won the race! That's what the whole things all about.

Edited 19 November 2021 by yorkie1999

[foxes_rule1978]

2 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Hamilton recieved a 10 second penalty at Silverstone and won the race!

It made the task harder, just as a 5 second one would have done for Max. The punishment was correctly handed to hamilton he served it and had to come back to win… doesn’t matter that he won. It’s not like he finished 11 seconds ahead and was handed a 10 second penalty at the end 

Edited 19 November 2021 by foxes_rule1978

[yorkie1999]

18 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

It made the task harder, just as a 5 second one would have done for Max. The punishment was correctly handed to hamilton he served it and had to come back to win… doesn’t matter that he won. It’s not like he finished 11 seconds ahead and was handed a 10 second penalty at the end 

He knew what his penalty was during the race which Max wouldn’t have done, max could have ensured there was at least a 5 second gap.

[foxes_rule1978]

19 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

He knew what his penalty was during the race which Max wouldn’t have done, max could have ensured there was at least a 5 second gap.

If he had got the penalty when he should have then he would have done, but the point is Bottas was much quicker at that point so no he wouldn’t have been able to . I doubt max slowed down even when hamilton got in front 

Edited 19 November 2021 by foxes_rule1978

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

Don't know how anyone can be a fan of either of the oil salesmen who run these teams. Wolff and Horner are both such utter pricks and totally unlikeable. 

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

Saying that I'd love to see Bottas drive straight in to Max off the grid. And I can't stand Hamilton. What a sorry state of affairs. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

Perez

[The Horse's Mouth]

That's it then season over

[Facecloth]

'Verstappen under investigation in fresh twist to F1 drama'

 

https://www.skysports.com/Formula 1/12473847

 

Something to do with ignoring the yellows when Gasly had stopped on the pit straight.

[foxes_rule1978]

Max is bringing out the best of the GOAT, love to see it..  hamilton looks superb now