The "do they mean us?" thread pt 3

[SemperEadem]

Lets have it right on the helicopter stuff.

 

When we have had it, it has been one possibly two waste of oxygens at the ground. Nothing of any scale.

You can’t compare it to the chants at Liverpool be it if they are right or wrong.

 

[SemperEadem]

Twitter plays its part too. Seems a proportion reviling in being ‘vile’.

Not sure if they have seen our support in recent years because it certainly aint that.

[los dedos]

Why are people shocked about so called poverty mocking . Its always happened among the working class .

I went to a school on a council estate and kids who lived in council houses would regularly call other kids tramps if they didn't have much money. 

This is nothing new and has always happened and food banks or not people saying it are not making some sort of political statement. They are either on the wind up or just been plain nasty.

 

[bovril]

I quite like the Tory stuff because it makes the Tory voting, plastic Liverpool 'fans' I grew up with die a little inside.

[Corky]

5 minutes ago, bovril said:

I quite like the Tory stuff because it makes the Tory voting, plastic Liverpool 'fans' I grew up with die a little inside.

This Tory stuff never comes up in any match apart from the Merseyside teams.

 

Maybe someone can correct me but I've not heard us sing about Boris Johnson against anyone else. Isn't it just a reaction to F**k the Tories? Actually, politics only seems to come into it when Liverpool or Everton are involved.

 

I know this place isn't a full representation of the fanbase but we've got many anti-Tory posters on here. I think you'd find a healthy split.

[ealingfox]

The stupid thing is Leicester is probably more pov than Liverpool is these days.

 

One thing I can't understand is why every other fanbase isn't bringing up the Super League at every game. They'll say it wasn't the fans but therein lies the wind-up, and an inoffensive one. It might not have been the fans' idea but we shouldn't ever let them forget about what their clubs tried to do. 90 minutes of 'Fvck off to your Super League' or variations on that theme is way more damaging and less embarrassing than singing about historic poverty, or worse, Boris Johnson. 

[Jordan]

It seems to me that Liverpool fans responding to Leicester’s taunts with all this stuff about “Tories” and thinking that this is such a great retort just don’t get it.

 

Without getting into the moral rights and wrongs of “Feed the Scousers” and the like, most City fans that sing stuff like this aren’t doing so because they love neo-Thatcherite austerity policies. I mean, the City fans in the crowd didn’t respond to “F*** the Tories” with “F*** Labour.”

 

They’re doing it to rustle Scousers, plain and simple. They also know the Liverpool fans will kick up a fuss about this, and thus the cycle begins anew.

 

(I know there are some man-children in the City fan base that take this too far, but they’re only a handful and probably not worth the effort of another topic.)

 

Also, it’s rather condescending for Liverpool fans and the Twitter blue check marks to be explaining away their outrage, treating City fans as uneducated rubes from some Midlands backwater by pulling up statistics and anecdotes about poverty in Leicester. Yeah, I think the people that live in and around Leicester, many of whom have done so their whole lives, already know about what life is like in Leicester.

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[NasPb]

1 hour ago, Buce said:

 

I don't suppose it's a popular opinion but the Feed the Scousers chant is totally lacking in class.

 

Frankly, it embarrasses us all.

Yup, let's keep our chants football related. Same thing as mocking vichais death. It's too far 

[bovril]

2 minutes ago, Jordan said:

It seems to me that Liverpool fans responding to Leicester’s taunts with all this stuff about “Tories” and thinking that this is such a great return just don’t get it.

 

Without getting into the moral rights and wrongs of “Feed the Scousers” and the like, most City fans that sing stuff like this aren’t doing so because they love neo-Thatcherite austerity policies. I mean, the City fans in the crowd didn’t respond to “F*** the Tories” with “F*** Labour.”

 

They’re doing it to rustle Scousers, plain and simple. They also know the Liverpool fans will kick up a fuss about this, and thus the cycle begins anew.

 

(I know there are some man-children in the City fan base that take this too far, but they’re only a handful and probably not worth the effort of another topic.)

 

Also, it’s rather condescending for Liverpool fans and the Twitter blue check marks to be explaining away their outrage, treating City fans as uneducated rubes from some Midlands backwater by pulling up statistics and anecdotes about poverty in Leicester. Yeah, I think the people that live in and around Leicester, many of whom have done so their whole lives, already know about what life is like in Leicester.

It's part of Liverpool fans' attempts to brand themselves as a kind of socialist club like Celtic or Barca which has no historical basis (yes I know the Shankly quote)

[urban.spaceman]

Ignore the incendiary title; plenty of fair points here.

 

 

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, Buce said:

 

I don't suppose it's a popular opinion but the Feed the Scousers chant is totally lacking in class.

 

Frankly, it embarrasses us all.

I do agree, never sing it myself and find it very weird that a lot of our fans seem to take so much pride in singing such an unoriginal song that's been done to death by everyone else for 35-odd years. Doubly strange that it's usually the loudest chant of the day if we ever play them or Everton round this time of year.

 

All that said... there are loads of similar chants about rival clubs' cities sung every weekend up and down the country ("in your such and such slums", for example) and we don't get subjected to this national debate on the morality of football fans singing about poverty when they do. There's a reason herberts who like to be as offensive as possible at football only ever sing "Feed the Scousers" and not "Feed the Geordies/Cockneys/Brummies/Leicester/whoever", and that's because it wouldn't get under the skin of anyone else other than Liverpool (and to some degree Everton).

 

The chant is crass, crap and boring, but if Liverpool fans weren't so into acting morally superior every time it was sung then the kind of lads who find it hilarious would soon stop.

[Adster]

Why do old twats on Twitter have to link football to Political fodder every time? Quite frankly boring to be honest. 

[wardyfox86]

2 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Ignore the incendiary title; plenty of fair points here.

 

 

Gabby backed us to win last night too, tbf. Put a bet on apparently after Ally was surprise at odds of 7/1 at home. 

[mozartfox]

Bearing mind we have practically ended their title ambitions last night, I can see why Liverpool Fans are carping on about anything Leicester.  Last night was for you Ricardo.

[majaco]

Personally, I am appalled at the tories.  Foodbanks  are a relatively new phenonemon; the tories have been abusing power for a few years,   I think 'Feed the Scousers' is a terrible chant.   Be annoyed at Liverpool and fans for footballing reasons but don't take the piss out of poverty and deprivation.

 

My wife likes some of the things Klopp says (so do I) and wonders why I can be so critical of him at times.  It is because of his media presence which gives him a platform for hypocrisy (it is hard to be passionate about football and be hypocrisy free.  Klopp sometimes lacks class; when a Liverpool player fouled Hamza putting him off balance before his challenge on Salah, Klopp called him out unreasonably.  Then Moreton breaks Perreira's leg with a worse challange.  Liverpool fans sometimes give the impression that they think they have a right to win and that sense of entitlement is annoying; ironically I am sure that criticism of tories is linked to entitlement.

 

This season, we have seen we are not entitled to automatic success.  The fact that a club as successful as Liverpool seem to be hating us is in its way a compliment.  We are massive and should be too massive to chant 'Feed the scousers'.

[urban.spaceman]

33 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

The stupid thing is Leicester is probably more pov than Liverpool is these days.

 

One thing I can't understand is why every other fanbase isn't bringing up the Super League at every game. They'll say it wasn't the fans but therein lies the wind-up, and an inoffensive one. It might not have been the fans' idea but we shouldn't ever let them forget about what their clubs tried to do. 90 minutes of 'Fvck off to your Super League' or variations on that theme is way more damaging and less embarrassing than singing about historic poverty, or worse, Boris Johnson. 

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[worth_the_wait]

The traditional remit of football fans, is to wind the opposing fans up.    As has been said earlier, Scousers seem so easy to wind up ... so the chants continue.   They've only got themselves to blame.

 

For years after the 1984/85 miners strike, Barnsley fans would taunt us as "scabs".  (as I'm sure they sang the same to any Nottinghamshire club as well).  But you just laugh at them, and eventually they get the message that we're not bothered.

 

(although it did take them 20-30 years to calm down, and even now I reckon you'll still hear the odd "scab" chant)

 

 

 

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, worth_the_wait said:

The traditional remit of football fans, is to wind the opposing fans up.    As has been said earlier, Scousers seem so easy to wind up ... so the chants continue.   They've only got themselves to blame.

 

For years after the 1984/85 miners strike, Barnsley fans would taunt us as "scabs".  (as I'm sure they sang the same to any Nottinghamshire club as well).  But you just laugh at them, and eventually they get the message that we're not bothered.

 

(although it did take them 20-30 years to calm down, and even now I reckon you'll still hear the odd "scab" chant)

 

Pretty sure that if they hadn’t made such a fuss last week, we wouldn’t have sung it much at all yesterday ….

[foxile5]

36 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

The stupid thing is Leicester is probably more pov than Liverpool is these days.

 

One thing I can't understand is why every other fanbase isn't bringing up the Super League at every game. They'll say it wasn't the fans but therein lies the wind-up, and an inoffensive one. It might not have been the fans' idea but we shouldn't ever let them forget about what their clubs tried to do. 90 minutes of 'Fvck off to your Super League' or variations on that theme is way more damaging and less embarrassing than singing about historic poverty, or worse, Boris Johnson. 

RE the super league - when the United game was called off Sky made such a faux horror and outrage at the demonstration about how the 'fans had spoken' and so on it essentially drew a line under it. 

 

Unfortunately, that ire should have represented a much larger protest and period of trouble for the clubs involved but Sky elevating a single delayed game to the status of earth shattering profundity made the majority of fans feel like something had been achieved. 

 

It's embarrassing how they've gotten away with it so roundly. I'd have advocated punishing the clubs severely both financially and with point deductions. 

[Voll Blau]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Pretty sure that if they hadn’t made such a fuss last week, we wouldn’t have sung it much at all yesterday ….

Nah, that's naive I'm afraid. Always going to be sung any time we (or most others actually) play a Merseyside club at Christmas.

[sdb]

30 minutes ago, majaco said:

Personally, I am appalled at the tories.  Foodbanks  are a relatively new phenonemon; the tories have been abusing power for a few years,   I think 'Feed the Scousers' is a terrible chant.   Be annoyed at Liverpool and fans for footballing reasons but don't take the piss out of poverty and deprivation.

 

My wife likes some of the things Klopp says (so do I) and wonders why I can be so critical of him at times.  It is because of his media presence which gives him a platform for hypocrisy (it is hard to be passionate about football and be hypocrisy free.  Klopp sometimes lacks class; when a Liverpool player fouled Hamza putting him off balance before his challenge on Salah, Klopp called him out unreasonably.  Then Moreton breaks Perreira's leg with a worse challange.  Liverpool fans sometimes give the impression that they think they have a right to win and that sense of entitlement is annoying; ironically I am sure that criticism of tories is linked to entitlement.

 

This season, we have seen we are not entitled to automatic success.  The fact that a club as successful as Liverpool seem to be hating us is in its way a compliment.  We are massive and should be too massive to chant 'Feed the scousers'.

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[tsintskaro]

**** tories and **** liverpool.

Easy, is not it?

[Koke]

52 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Ignore the incendiary title; plenty of fair points here.

 

 

 

Win our game in hand and we'll be 3 points behind West Ham, despite a pretty shit season so far. We have the squad and coach to be top 6 and we should rightfully expect to be challenging top 6, not being mid table with Villa and Palace. I hate this downplaying of expectations. 

[yorkie1999]

I happen to like Liverpool, it’s a great place for a night out and far more cultured than Leicester, it’s like a bigger version with more terraced streets etc but it’s hardly Karachi is it. Any football fan that takes offence at a chant as harmless as feed the scousers needs shagging and if you can afford a ticket for any away match you’re certainly not on the breadline.

[yorkie1999]

Just now, Koke said:

 

Win our game in hand and we'll be 3 points behind West Ham, despite a pretty shit season so far. We have the squad and coach to be top 6 and we should rightfully expect to be challenging top 6, not being mid table with Villa and Palace. I hate this downplaying of expectations. 

To be fair, it wouldn’t do us any harm being out of Europe until we get our squad back fit.