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The "do they mean us?" thread pt 3

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espn.com took a rare look at us today.  They still don't show much understanding of the club.  But they only had to look at (a) the guys getting the minutes and (b) the underlying statistics, to come to a dead-on conclusion.

 

"The club in last place in the Premier League is relying on a guy who turns 36 later this year to rediscover his form. Meanwhile, the club's other holdover from the title-winning team's starting XI, Kasper Schmeichel, left for Nice this past summer. His replacement, Danny Ward, is a 30-year-old with no prior experience as a first-division starter. Through six matches, Ward has conceded 2.5 goals more than expected: the second-biggest discrepancy in the league.

 

Make a bunch of consistent, minor degradations across the squad -- due to age, injuries, missing on transfers or all of the above -- combine that with a complete lack of production at both goalmouths, and that's how you go from the brink of the Champions League to the brink of the English Championship."

 

This article will get the spittle flying because it doesn't point to Brendan Rodgers as the only (or even the main) problem at the Club.  (They don't consider his role in the recruitment nosedive, nor that he assigns the minutes.)  But let's quit kidding ourselves.  The next manager should be able to keep this squad in the PL.  But he'll have to be a genius to change the season's goal from "get to 40 points".

 

https://www.espn.com/sports/soccer/insider/story/_/id/34554889/leicester-city-collapse-how-foxes-went-top-four-being-relegation-candidates

 

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Extract from this - https://www.espn.co.uk/football/english-premier-league/story/4744030/premier-league-panic-index-why-chelsealiverpoolleicester-are-among-teams-feeling-the-heat

 

Leicester: When trying to be fiscally responsible goes wrong

We'll start with maybe the most surprising name on the relegation contenders list. Caesars currently lists Leicester as the No. 3 most likely team to go down -- their betting odds are +190, equivalent to a 34% chance. Considering they won the Premier League barely six years ago, and considering they finished fifth in both 2020 and 2021, this is absolutely jarring. But it's well-earned.

Leicester has allowed 16 goals in six matches, their worst defensive start in nearly 40 years. When they finished fifth in 2021, they did so with a defensive core of goalkeeper Kasper Schmeichel and centre-backs Jonny Evans, Wesley Fofana and Caglar Soyuncu. Schmeichel, 35, moved on to Nice this summer, Fofana moved on to Chelsea in a big-money deal, and Soyuncu's form (and/or his relationship with manager Brendan Rodgers) has regressed to such a degree that it looked like he might leave during the transfer window as well -- his only match this season was in a dire League Cup win over Stockport County.

- O'Hanlon: How Leicester went from top four to relegation candidates (E+)

Thus far, the new defensive arrangement has been a disaster. Danny Ward, Schmeichel's replacement, is boasting just a 50% save percentage and minus-2.5 goals prevented (StatsPerform's comparison of your goals allowed to the post-shot xG for shots on target). The centre-backs in front of him -- the 34-year old Evans and a combination of Daniel Amartey and a pre-departure Fofana -- have struggled as well. After allowing at least two goals in each of their first four matches, they seemed to take a step forward in allowing only one to Manchester United. But three days later, they gave up five to Brighton. The only player Leicester spent a transfer fee to acquire this summer was Reims centre-back Wout Faes, but he only just arrived.

That's right, in a summer in which the Premier League smashed all spending records, Leicester acquired Faes and backup goalkeeper Alex Smithies (on a free transfer from second-division Cardiff). That's it.

They invested a massive sum of money in new training facilities that were unveiled last year, and they have been remarkably disciplined in their avoidance of panic moves and their focus on the long-term. But when most of your competition has lost its mind and brought in as much talent as humanly possible, and you're looking at a slightly stale roster (one that might have a stale relationship with its manager), problems will develop.

Perhaps Faes solves some problems. Lord knows Leicester has made plenty of astute additions through the years. But the Foxes' biggest issue at the moment is transition defense, and those problems start well before the back line gets involved. In what I call transition possessions -- those that start outside the attacking third and last 20 or fewer seconds -- Leicester has allowed a league-worst five goals. Thirteen percent of opponents' shots have been worth at least 0.3 xG (most in the league), and opponents are averaging 0.14 xG per shot overall (also the most).

Perhaps even more alarming: It could be worse. They pulled their only point from a draw with Brentford in which they scored two goals from shots worth 0.6 xG.

It could -- and should -- also be better, though. They have gotten little from Jamie Vardy thus far (zero goals from shots worth 1.2 xG), but the combination of Patson Daka and Kelechi Iheanacho brought life to the attack last Sunday. Both James Maddison and Youri Tielemans have played well, combining for two goals and two assists among 21 chances created, and if they get more from their forwards, the attack could brighten immensely.

And if Vardy were to start seeing more use from the bench late in matches, it might help to fix the team's persistent late-match issues: Their goal differential in the final 30 minutes of matches is a shocking -1.4 per match. That average is almost unsustainably poor, but it is calling to mind struggles from last year, when stoppage-time goals turned two draws to losses and two wins to draws over the second half of the season. Add those six lost points to last year's tally, and they would have reached the Europa League again.

In theory, there's still too much high-end talent for Leicester not to rally at some point. But how many points will they drop in the meantime? And will such a rally take place with Rodgers still at the helm? He was the betting favorite for Next Manager Sacked before Chelsea cut to the front of that line, and managers don't usually survive losing streaks.

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27 minutes ago, filbertway said:

To be fair, look at the state of it when we removed Kante the following season.

Remove the engine and the tactical linchpin from any team, and then completely fail to replace him, and they'll suffer.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/brendan-rodgers-leicester-premier-league-28009748

 

Brendan Rodgers heads into last chance saloon amid growing scrutiny and player frustration
Leicester City are one of only two sides not to win a Premier League game this season and lie at the bottom of the table heading into this weekend's Premier League matches


ByKieran KingFootball Writer
07:00, 17 Sep 2022UPDATED07:37, 17 Sep 2022
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Leicester City's trip to Tottenham on Saturday looks set to be make-or-break for Brendan Rodgers.

The Foxes currently sit rock-bottom of the Premier League, having failed to win any of their opening six matches, picking up just one point in the process. Only Nottingham Forest and Bournemouth have conceded more goals than City's 16 so far, with Aston Villa and Leeds United also registering double-figures in that statistic.

But if you would've said to Leicester fans in the 60th minute of their opening day game against Brentford that they would be on just one point from a possible 18, then they would have perplexed. Rodgers' side were cruising to a comfortable win over the Bees, up until they collapsed and buckled under pressure.


Goals from Ivan Toney and Josh Dasilva earned Brentford a 2-2 draw at the King Power Stadium when - at one point - the game looked beyond them.

It was a moment in time that completely shifted Leicester's start to the season into a bad one, with the Foxes losing their next five matches against Arsenal, Southampton, Chelsea, Manchester United and Brighton & Hove Albion.

The latter was arguably the most damaging, given the fact Leicester took the lead and equalised to make it 2-2 just before the break. They could've used Patson Daka's leveller as a platform to build on, but instead crumbled to concede three second-half goals and lose the game 5-2.


Leicester have dropped the most points in the Premier League so far this season (8), along with Forest. But this isn't a new problem. The Foxes let a number of leads slip during the second-half of last season, including against Tottenham where they conceded two injury-time goals to Steven Bergwijn as Spurs ran out 3-2 winners.

What else is going wrong? Rodgers has publicly criticised the players for their performances and even the fans for how they are supporting the team. This isn't going to help the cause one bit, especially for the supporters who travel in their numbers week-in-week out to home and away matches.

Rodgers said: "All I encourage is that when it’s 0-0 or they're 1-0 behind, they keep pushing the players and keep supporting them. It's so important for the players on the field that they feel that support, otherwise, if they're trying to build the game and get through the pitch and it's a bit nervy and the support's not quite there, players get nervous.

"That's not what you want. You need the players calm and supported.

"If supporters give the team that, it takes away the anxiety and the players can go and be their very best. I'm not too sure there are many players who will get better if they don’t have that support. So it’s so important that the supporters get behind the team."

 

Subsequently, the Foxes boss has been put under increased pressure from fans, having already been under scrutiny for a number of decisions. There was some confusion amongst the Foxes faithful when Castagne was left out of the starting XI, while others have been unhappy about Caglar Soyuncu's lack of game time.

The Belgian was dropped for Luke Thomas ahead of City's game against Man Utd and also started on the bench at Brighton, with Rodgers citing the decision to leave Castagne out as being about correcting the balance in the side.

However, the 49-year-old then added that Castagne needs to "train well" to get back into the team.


But how does that work? Thomas is naturally left-footed and that is supposed to be the reason behind why Castagne was dropped, not because of his ability on the training field. He has given two completely different responses and implies that Castagne could've been left out for other reasons than "balance".

Meanwhile, Soyuncu posted a cryptic message in Turkish on social media after City's defeat by Man Utd. It said as translated: "All good things come after patience." This came after Rodgers claimed that Soyuncu has been "out of form for a while in training" - a similar reason to that of Castagne.

Something doesn't seem right but Rodgers does have a chance to put that right when Leicester travel to Spurs in the 5:30pm kick-off on Saturday. New £17m recruit Wout Faes could be in line to make his Foxes debut at the back - with the Belgian the only outfield player Leicester signed in the summer.


Rodgers often expressed his frustration at the club's transfer policy throughout the window, with the Northern Irishman claiming that "this isn't the club that it was a couple of years ago." This could be one of the reasons behind Leicester's poor start, but there should be no more moaning about that now, as Leicester look to steer themselves away from safety.

Although it could be said Rodgers does have some credit in the bank, having guided the Foxes to the FA Cup and two fifth-place finishes, the tide has quickly turned the other way and sometimes it can be hard to swing it back to the positive side.

The game against Spurs feels an important one. Leicester cannot afford to be beaten as heavily as they did against Brighton - that is a must.

Despite Tottenham's superiority in terms of league position and form, Leicester have shown they can compete against the best around, beating Liverpool and Man Utd last season - with every single player bar Ademola Lookman and Kasper Schmeichel that started those matches still at the club. There is no reason why, despite the Foxes' form, that Leicester can't get a result in north London.

With Nottingham Forest to come after the international break, Leicester cannot fall further behind the pack as a huge defeat at Spurs would leave major pressure heading into that game.

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7 minutes ago, davieG said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/brendan-rodgers-leicester-premier-league-28009748

 

Brendan Rodgers heads into last chance saloon amid growing scrutiny and player frustration
Leicester City are one of only two sides not to win a Premier League game this season and lie at the bottom of the table heading into this weekend's Premier League matches


ByKieran KingFootball Writer
07:00, 17 Sep 2022UPDATED07:37, 17 Sep 2022
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Leicester City's trip to Tottenham on Saturday looks set to be make-or-break for Brendan Rodgers.

The Foxes currently sit rock-bottom of the Premier League, having failed to win any of their opening six matches, picking up just one point in the process. Only Nottingham Forest and Bournemouth have conceded more goals than City's 16 so far, with Aston Villa and Leeds United also registering double-figures in that statistic.

But if you would've said to Leicester fans in the 60th minute of their opening day game against Brentford that they would be on just one point from a possible 18, then they would have perplexed. Rodgers' side were cruising to a comfortable win over the Bees, up until they collapsed and buckled under pressure.


Goals from Ivan Toney and Josh Dasilva earned Brentford a 2-2 draw at the King Power Stadium when - at one point - the game looked beyond them.

It was a moment in time that completely shifted Leicester's start to the season into a bad one, with the Foxes losing their next five matches against Arsenal, Southampton, Chelsea, Manchester United and Brighton & Hove Albion.

The latter was arguably the most damaging, given the fact Leicester took the lead and equalised to make it 2-2 just before the break. They could've used Patson Daka's leveller as a platform to build on, but instead crumbled to concede three second-half goals and lose the game 5-2.


Leicester have dropped the most points in the Premier League so far this season (8), along with Forest. But this isn't a new problem. The Foxes let a number of leads slip during the second-half of last season, including against Tottenham where they conceded two injury-time goals to Steven Bergwijn as Spurs ran out 3-2 winners.

What else is going wrong? Rodgers has publicly criticised the players for their performances and even the fans for how they are supporting the team. This isn't going to help the cause one bit, especially for the supporters who travel in their numbers week-in-week out to home and away matches.

Rodgers said: "All I encourage is that when it’s 0-0 or they're 1-0 behind, they keep pushing the players and keep supporting them. It's so important for the players on the field that they feel that support, otherwise, if they're trying to build the game and get through the pitch and it's a bit nervy and the support's not quite there, players get nervous.

"That's not what you want. You need the players calm and supported.

"If supporters give the team that, it takes away the anxiety and the players can go and be their very best. I'm not too sure there are many players who will get better if they don’t have that support. So it’s so important that the supporters get behind the team."

 

Subsequently, the Foxes boss has been put under increased pressure from fans, having already been under scrutiny for a number of decisions. There was some confusion amongst the Foxes faithful when Castagne was left out of the starting XI, while others have been unhappy about Caglar Soyuncu's lack of game time.

The Belgian was dropped for Luke Thomas ahead of City's game against Man Utd and also started on the bench at Brighton, with Rodgers citing the decision to leave Castagne out as being about correcting the balance in the side.

However, the 49-year-old then added that Castagne needs to "train well" to get back into the team.


But how does that work? Thomas is naturally left-footed and that is supposed to be the reason behind why Castagne was dropped, not because of his ability on the training field. He has given two completely different responses and implies that Castagne could've been left out for other reasons than "balance".

Meanwhile, Soyuncu posted a cryptic message in Turkish on social media after City's defeat by Man Utd. It said as translated: "All good things come after patience." This came after Rodgers claimed that Soyuncu has been "out of form for a while in training" - a similar reason to that of Castagne.

Something doesn't seem right but Rodgers does have a chance to put that right when Leicester travel to Spurs in the 5:30pm kick-off on Saturday. New £17m recruit Wout Faes could be in line to make his Foxes debut at the back - with the Belgian the only outfield player Leicester signed in the summer.


Rodgers often expressed his frustration at the club's transfer policy throughout the window, with the Northern Irishman claiming that "this isn't the club that it was a couple of years ago." This could be one of the reasons behind Leicester's poor start, but there should be no more moaning about that now, as Leicester look to steer themselves away from safety.

Although it could be said Rodgers does have some credit in the bank, having guided the Foxes to the FA Cup and two fifth-place finishes, the tide has quickly turned the other way and sometimes it can be hard to swing it back to the positive side.

The game against Spurs feels an important one. Leicester cannot afford to be beaten as heavily as they did against Brighton - that is a must.

Despite Tottenham's superiority in terms of league position and form, Leicester have shown they can compete against the best around, beating Liverpool and Man Utd last season - with every single player bar Ademola Lookman and Kasper Schmeichel that started those matches still at the club. There is no reason why, despite the Foxes' form, that Leicester can't get a result in north London.

With Nottingham Forest to come after the international break, Leicester cannot fall further behind the pack as a huge defeat at Spurs would leave major pressure heading into that game.

Wow looks like the Mirror has actually been nosing round the club or City and has a feel for the reality. Unlike some ex player pundits who reason from afar!

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25 minutes ago, davieG said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/brendan-rodgers-leicester-premier-league-28009748

 

Brendan Rodgers heads into last chance saloon amid growing scrutiny and player frustration
Leicester City are one of only two sides not to win a Premier League game this season and lie at the bottom of the table heading into this weekend's Premier League matches


ByKieran KingFootball Writer
07:00, 17 Sep 2022UPDATED07:37, 17 Sep 2022
|

Leicester City's trip to Tottenham on Saturday looks set to be make-or-break for Brendan Rodgers.

The Foxes currently sit rock-bottom of the Premier League, having failed to win any of their opening six matches, picking up just one point in the process. Only Nottingham Forest and Bournemouth have conceded more goals than City's 16 so far, with Aston Villa and Leeds United also registering double-figures in that statistic.

But if you would've said to Leicester fans in the 60th minute of their opening day game against Brentford that they would be on just one point from a possible 18, then they would have perplexed. Rodgers' side were cruising to a comfortable win over the Bees, up until they collapsed and buckled under pressure.


Goals from Ivan Toney and Josh Dasilva earned Brentford a 2-2 draw at the King Power Stadium when - at one point - the game looked beyond them.

It was a moment in time that completely shifted Leicester's start to the season into a bad one, with the Foxes losing their next five matches against Arsenal, Southampton, Chelsea, Manchester United and Brighton & Hove Albion.

The latter was arguably the most damaging, given the fact Leicester took the lead and equalised to make it 2-2 just before the break. They could've used Patson Daka's leveller as a platform to build on, but instead crumbled to concede three second-half goals and lose the game 5-2.


Leicester have dropped the most points in the Premier League so far this season (8), along with Forest. But this isn't a new problem. The Foxes let a number of leads slip during the second-half of last season, including against Tottenham where they conceded two injury-time goals to Steven Bergwijn as Spurs ran out 3-2 winners.

What else is going wrong? Rodgers has publicly criticised the players for their performances and even the fans for how they are supporting the team. This isn't going to help the cause one bit, especially for the supporters who travel in their numbers week-in-week out to home and away matches.

Rodgers said: "All I encourage is that when it’s 0-0 or they're 1-0 behind, they keep pushing the players and keep supporting them. It's so important for the players on the field that they feel that support, otherwise, if they're trying to build the game and get through the pitch and it's a bit nervy and the support's not quite there, players get nervous.

"That's not what you want. You need the players calm and supported.

"If supporters give the team that, it takes away the anxiety and the players can go and be their very best. I'm not too sure there are many players who will get better if they don’t have that support. So it’s so important that the supporters get behind the team."

 

Subsequently, the Foxes boss has been put under increased pressure from fans, having already been under scrutiny for a number of decisions. There was some confusion amongst the Foxes faithful when Castagne was left out of the starting XI, while others have been unhappy about Caglar Soyuncu's lack of game time.

The Belgian was dropped for Luke Thomas ahead of City's game against Man Utd and also started on the bench at Brighton, with Rodgers citing the decision to leave Castagne out as being about correcting the balance in the side.

However, the 49-year-old then added that Castagne needs to "train well" to get back into the team.


But how does that work? Thomas is naturally left-footed and that is supposed to be the reason behind why Castagne was dropped, not because of his ability on the training field. He has given two completely different responses and implies that Castagne could've been left out for other reasons than "balance".

Meanwhile, Soyuncu posted a cryptic message in Turkish on social media after City's defeat by Man Utd. It said as translated: "All good things come after patience." This came after Rodgers claimed that Soyuncu has been "out of form for a while in training" - a similar reason to that of Castagne.

Something doesn't seem right but Rodgers does have a chance to put that right when Leicester travel to Spurs in the 5:30pm kick-off on Saturday. New £17m recruit Wout Faes could be in line to make his Foxes debut at the back - with the Belgian the only outfield player Leicester signed in the summer.


Rodgers often expressed his frustration at the club's transfer policy throughout the window, with the Northern Irishman claiming that "this isn't the club that it was a couple of years ago." This could be one of the reasons behind Leicester's poor start, but there should be no more moaning about that now, as Leicester look to steer themselves away from safety.

Although it could be said Rodgers does have some credit in the bank, having guided the Foxes to the FA Cup and two fifth-place finishes, the tide has quickly turned the other way and sometimes it can be hard to swing it back to the positive side.

The game against Spurs feels an important one. Leicester cannot afford to be beaten as heavily as they did against Brighton - that is a must.

Despite Tottenham's superiority in terms of league position and form, Leicester have shown they can compete against the best around, beating Liverpool and Man Utd last season - with every single player bar Ademola Lookman and Kasper Schmeichel that started those matches still at the club. There is no reason why, despite the Foxes' form, that Leicester can't get a result in north London.

With Nottingham Forest to come after the international break, Leicester cannot fall further behind the pack as a huge defeat at Spurs would leave major pressure heading into that game.

Ok - which one of you is Kieran king …..

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56 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Ok - which one of you is Kieran king …..

I thought much the same 🤔 nothing new or insightful in that report and I honestly feel we are all missing a trick when the average wage of a sports journo is £30k its money for old regurgitated rope

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Was playing cod vanguard multiplayer a few nights ago and ended up in an argument with a Liverpool fan, the argument went like this

 

him: move out my way you fat ****.

Me: **** you, ya sill cnut.

him: **** you silly tory wan ker. seen my user name had Leicester LCFC in it and his clan tag had LFC in it.

me: haha i'm from east Leicester, it's a labour stronghold ya cnut

him; you're going down

me: We'll see ya glory hunting ****, nice Scouse accent you sound like you're from Leicester

him: no reply

 

Then it descended into a him calling me a tory w@nker for a few minutes and me calling him a glory hunting cnut for a few minutes.

He then went onto singing your mums you dad your dad your dads your mum, you're inter bred and you're Leicester scum. I then laughed at him and said you're from Coventry ya glory hunting pr!ck, which he didn't reply to after we ended up on opposite teams with him hunting me down, he did get the better of me though but i had connection problems lol.

 

If  i was one of the random foreign players in our lobby listing to this argument, my take take would be all Leicester fans are inbred Tories and Liverpool fans don't come from Liverpool.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Viktor-LCFC said:

Was playing cod vanguard multiplayer a few nights ago and ended up in an argument with a Liverpool fan, the argument went like this

 

him: move out my way you fat ****.

Me: **** you, ya sill cnut.

him: **** you silly tory wan ker. seen my user name had Leicester LCFC in it and his clan tag had LFC in it.

me: haha i'm from east Leicester, it's a labour stronghold ya cnut

him; you're going down

me: We'll see ya glory hunting ****, nice Scouse accent you sound like you're from Leicester

him: no reply

 

Then it descended into a him calling me a tory willy puller for a few minutes and me calling him a glory hunting cnut for a few minutes.

He then went onto singing your mums you dad your dad your dads your mum, you're inter bred and you're Leicester scum. I then laughed at him and said you're from Coventry ya glory hunting pr!ck, which he didn't reply to after we ended up on opposite teams with him hunting me down, he did get the better of me though but i had connection problems lol.

 

If was one of the other random foreign players listing to this argument, their take would be all Leicester fans are inbred Tories and Liverpool fans don't come from Liverpool.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry..You lost this Dino at " Cod".!

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