Not The Politics Thread.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, SecretPro said:

He could at least do a new video, because there have been so many lies since the first one. Could probably make a 50 episode series. But yeah, I get the point. I think less of a media black out - but more why aren't the media focusing on the lies and highlighting it themselves. Its an offence to lie at the dispatch box, and why isn't the speaker calling it out too? 

This I can agree on. He finally showed a bit of bottle on Wednesday with Johnson's nonsense but then let him get away with accusing Starmer of misconduct.

[CosbehFox]

46 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

There are 600 odd MPs in parliament, and clearly we wouldn't want even 10% of them to like Jacob, but as there is only one of him, then I think it is good to have him there, as he brings his unique intelligence to the house.  I don't understand why you would want all MPs to somehow be alike?  I am also not at all convinced that getting a first means you are more intelligent than someone who got a 2:1.  

I haven’t said I want them all to be alike have I? 
 

Define his intelligence. He’s not particularly achieved anything worthy of note in his career or educational upbringing. He pushed his family fortune into the advice of capital fund managers. 
 

When he tried to win a seat up in Scotland, he was turning up with his Nanny and in a Bentley car. Which speaks volumes of a lack of intelligence or understanding. 
 

I look at someone like Tracy Crouch whose combination of working politics and PR alongside actually actively being involved with the topic she is minister for. Or Helen Grant whom with a single parent upbringing, went into law in Cumbria and had a spell working for a hospital trust.

 

At the other end of the spectrum there is a Nigel Mills who despite a privileged education still done some hard time as an accountant. Similarly Jeremy Hunt had the Oxford education etc but he spent twenty years building a business and had a stint as a teacher working in Japan before heading to politics.
 

I’d say even then you have a number of MPs who worked their way through local politics and have an understanding of the very core in councils etc.

 

Rees-Mogg is a career politician completely detached from reality (cough Boris too) whose very rarely had to face the normalities of life (background doesn’t really matter here). There’s an assumption that he’s intelligent which I can find very little evidence for except his ability to speak eloquently and concede to capital fund managers 

 

EDIT I know you are going to quote his capital fund management career. I know with these fellas on occasions and the London based are incredibly short of understanding on numerous subjects. 

Edited 19 November 2021 by Cardiff_Fox

[jgtuk]

58 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I haven’t said I want them all to be alike have I? 
 

Define his intelligence. He’s not particularly achieved anything worthy of note in his career or educational upbringing. He pushed his family fortune into the advice of capital fund managers. 
 

When he tried to win a seat up in Scotland, he was turning up with his Nanny and in a Bentley car. Which speaks volumes of a lack of intelligence or understanding. 
 

I look at someone like Tracy Crouch whose combination of working politics and PR alongside actually actively being involved with the topic she is minister for. Or Helen Grant whom with a single parent upbringing, went into law in Cumbria and had a spell working for a hospital trust.

 

At the other end of the spectrum there is a Nigel Mills who despite a privileged education still done some hard time as an accountant. Similarly Jeremy Hunt had the Oxford education etc but he spent twenty years building a business and had a stint as a teacher working in Japan before heading to politics.
 

I’d say even then you have a number of MPs who worked their way through local politics and have an understanding of the very core in councils etc.

 

Rees-Mogg is a career politician completely detached from reality (cough Boris too) whose very rarely had to face the normalities of life (background doesn’t really matter here). There’s an assumption that he’s intelligent which I can find very little evidence for except his ability to speak eloquently and concede to capital fund managers 

Interesting insight here. Sorry, I don't know how to embed a Twitter video.

 

https://twitter.com/alexandreafonso/status/1431232326302937088?s=20

 

Sorry, just seen this already posted...

Edited 19 November 2021 by jgtuk

[What the Fuchs?]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

There are 600 odd MPs in parliament, and clearly we wouldn't want even 10% of them to like Jacob, but as there is only one of him, then I think it is good to have him there, as he brings his unique intelligence to the house.  I don't understand why you would want all MPs to somehow be alike?  I am also not at all convinced that getting a first means you are more intelligent than someone who got a 2:1.  

Ah yes, we really benefit as a country by encouraging the people through right wing tabloids that Rees Mogg is some sort of hero for taking £6 million in undeclared sweetheart loans from his own company so he can get away with paying zero capital gains tax on top of the zero he pays in income tax with his dabbling in tax havens and the Paradise Papers. The man has made millions from Brexit, moving large parts of his businesses to the EU despite lying through his teeth about ‘sovereignty’ to the gullible fools who like the taste of Etonian boots because they equate an absurdly posh accent and privileged upbringing with intelligence and integrity.

 

Where would we be without tax evaders like him telling us how ‘uplifting’ foodbanks are and how the people who died at Grenfell should have more ‘common sense’, or trying to facilitate the legalisation of corruption? The part of the population that sees him as anything as an out of touch grifter have a serious inferiority complex or some weird cultic obliviousness to their Stockholm Syndrome - people like him should be nowhere near politics but as we’ve seen in recent years if you push the right buttons in the right accent the herd will follow allowing people like him to abuse his position and enrich himself all while maintaining an impression among the plebs he’s a thoroughly corking old chap don’t you know.

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/14/labour-demands-investigation-into-jacob-rees-mogg-6m-of-loans

Edited 19 November 2021 by What the Fuchs?

[What the Fuchs?]

16 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said:

 

 

This is absurd, explains a lot…”I love money…why, because you need money, with money you can make more money, and if you’ve got money you can buy things that you want - I could buy this Rolls Royce, something like that. Lovely…” Little Jacob has learned a lot since then!

[NasPb]

Some people have Stockholm syndrome in this thread

[CosbehFox]

45 minutes ago, jgtuk said:

Interesting insight here. Sorry, I don't know how to embed a Twitter video.

 

https://twitter.com/alexandreafonso/status/1431232326302937088?s=20

 

Sorry, just seen this already posted...

his answer about getting married is golden considering the amount of money his wife and her family are worth

[Buce]

3 hours ago, LCFCCHRIS said:

 

Wrong, I said most left wing leaning news would report it. Because I'm not naive enough to believe that GB news is going to start blasting out content against their narrative. Something that's happened since the beginning of the media.  

 

But anyway, I know this little Twitter video is a hill you're willing to die on, so we'll leave it there. 

 

Enjoy your weekend. 

 

If videos aren't your thing, you can read about it here:

 

https://fullfact.org/news/dawn-butler-boris-johnson-lying/

 

Or if you really want to fill your boots,  every lie he's told since 2019 (It's a very long list) all fact-checked:

 

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

 

Enjoy.

 

 

[LCFCCHRIS]

6 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

If videos aren't your thing, you can read about it here:

 

https://fullfact.org/news/dawn-butler-boris-johnson-lying/

 

Or if you really want to fill your boots,  every lie he's told since 2019 (It's a very long list) all fact-checked:

 

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

 

Enjoy.

 

 

Thanks. That's politics for you I guess.

 

 

[HighPeakFox]

37 minutes ago, LCFCCHRIS said:

Thanks. That's politics for you I guess.

 

 

Nope. That's the bloody PM. 

[LCFCCHRIS]

1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said:

Nope. That's the bloody PM. 

He's a politician and they tend to lie to influence voting and public opinion. Have you never encountered this before?

 

 

Edited 19 November 2021 by LCFCCHRIS

[LCFCCHRIS]

To clarify don't I think lying is acceptable as PM of course not. It's right for people to question them on it. But let's not pretend this is some unheard of phenomena that all MSM media is hiding. There's plenty out there against Boris Johnson on my feed every single day. It's not a conspiracy for a news outlet to have bias and not cover things that contradict that in this day and age. 

[Corky]

Good of Nadine Dorries to want everyone to be nicer, calmer and more thoughtful on social media.

 

Strange that she didn't mention it would start with her.

[RobHawk]

1 hour ago, LCFCCHRIS said:

To clarify don't I think lying is acceptable as PM of course not. It's right for people to question them on it. But let's not pretend this is some unheard of phenomena that all MSM media is hiding. There's plenty out there against Boris Johnson on my feed every single day. It's not a conspiracy for a news outlet to have bias and not cover things that contradict that in this day and age. 

In my lifetime, I've never known a politician lie like Boris. He is on a different scale. That simply isn't right. 

 

Personally I think this government get off light in regards to the media, our media should be asking those questions and making those points to help hold our government accountable. That really doesn't happen in the UK anymore and we are a poorer country for it in my opinion. 

 

But media coverage aside, anyone who can defend boris' lying and try and deflect with "that's politics" rhetoric can get in the bin as you are only enabling him to keep doing what he's doing. 

[LCFCCHRIS]

30 minutes ago, RobHawk said:

In my lifetime, I've never known a politician lie like Boris. He is on a different scale. That simply isn't right. 

 

Personally I think this government get off light in regards to the media, our media should be asking those questions and making those points to help hold our government accountable. That really doesn't happen in the UK anymore and we are a poorer country for it in my opinion. 

 

But media coverage aside, anyone who can defend boris' lying and try and deflect with "that's politics" rhetoric can get in the bin as you are only enabling him to keep doing what he's doing. 

 

First page of Google news when typing in Boris Johnson. This is pretty much all year round. Your argument falls down right about here 

[LCFCCHRIS]

But the media doesn't cover negative aspects of Boris Johnson, it's a conspiracy against poor old left wing politics 🤣

[Alf Bentley]

2 hours ago, LCFCCHRIS said:

He's a politician and they tend to lie to influence voting and public opinion. Have you never encountered this before?

 

 

 

I've encountered plenty of politicians from all parties who have distorted facts, quoted statistics misleadingly, used weasel words, evaded questions etc. etc.

 

I genuinely think Johnson is on quite another scale in that he frequently and knowingly makes statements that are clearly and provably lies.

 

And it's not just on minor issues of who spent how much on what. Just one example: he's on film stating that there would be no checks on goods crossing between GB and NI, when the agreement he signed specifically stated that such checks would apply.....he's now trying to foment discord with the EU so as to get out of the checks he signed up to, regardless of the cost to peace in N. Ireland or to UK/EU relations. Buce's links will give you no end of other BJ lies.

 

How many other PMs or leading politicians have twice been sacked specifically for lying?

- He was sacked by The Times for fabricating quotes by his godfather.

- He was sacked by his Tory leader for lying about having got his mistress pregnant (she had an abortion).

 

The bloke made his name as a journalist by telling outright lies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson#The_Times_and_The_Daily_Telegraph:_1987–1994

 

He's on tape offering to provide his mate with the address of a journalist investigating said mate for fraud, so that his mate could arrange for the journalist to be beaten up.

 

I've encountered dishonest politicians before, but in 40+ years of following politics I don't remember any senior politician in this country who's been remotely as dishonest as Johnson. The bloke shouldn't be trusted to run a corner shop, never mind the country.

[Finnaldo]

16 minutes ago, LCFCCHRIS said:

 

First page of Google news when typing in Boris Johnson. This is pretty much all year round. Your argument falls down right about here 

Thats four papers with a fraction of national circulation, and suggests all folk get their news online on news media sites. I’d wager that isn’t the case. 
 

 

[LCFCCHRIS]

6 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

I've encountered plenty of politicians from all parties who have distorted facts, quoted statistics misleadingly, used weasel words, evaded questions etc. etc.

 

I genuinely think Johnson is on quite another scale in that he frequently and knowingly makes statements that are clearly and provably lies.

 

And it's not just on minor issues of who spent how much on what. Just one example: he's on film stating that there would be no checks on goods crossing between GB and NI, when the agreement he signed specifically stated that such checks would apply.....he's now trying to foment discord with the EU so as to get out of the checks he signed up to, regardless of the cost to peace in N. Ireland or to UK/EU relations. Buce's links will give you no end of other BJ lies.

 

How many other PMs or leading politicians have twice been sacked specifically for lying?

- He was sacked by The Times for fabricating quotes by his godfather.

- He was sacked by his Tory leader for lying about having got his mistress pregnant (she had an abortion).

 

The bloke made his name as a journalist by telling outright lies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson#The_Times_and_The_Daily_Telegraph:_1987–1994

 

He's on tape offering to provide his mate with the address of a journalist investigating said mate for fraud, so that his mate could arrange for the journalist to be beaten up.

 

I've encountered dishonest politicians before, but in 40+ years of following politics I don't remember any senior politician in this country who's been remotely as dishonest as Johnson. The bloke shouldn't be trusted to run a corner shop, never mind the country.

Good post & thanks for the link. Quite an interesting read that section of his wiki. 

 

"He wrote articles about euromyths such as the EU wanting to ban prawn cocktail crisps and British sausages and standardise condom sizes because Italians had smaller penises.^[89] "

 

Jesus Christ 🤣. 

 

 

 

[Mike Oxlong]

 

 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, LCFCCHRIS said:

Good post & thanks for the link. Quite an interesting read that section of his wiki. 

 

"He wrote articles about euromyths such as the EU wanting to ban prawn cocktail crisps and British sausages and standardise condom sizes because Italians had smaller penises.^[89] "

 

Jesus Christ 🤣. 

 

 

 

The irony to this; I read the excellent ‘Shadowplay’ by Tim Marshall which was about Yugoslavia and it’s final days. Marshall was a war correspondent who covered the conflict and in the final part of the book before Milosevic resigned, up pops Johnson in his role as a journalist! Couldn’t think of a worst character for it!

[Rain King]

I wonder who would react with a laugh at something so disgusting.

Oh look who it is. 

 

 

[Facecloth]

2 minutes ago, Rain King said:

I wonder who would react with a laugh at something so disgusting.

Oh look who it is. 

 

 

He laughs because he can't defend it, so he pretends like you've posted something ridiculous, when the reality is he just hates the fact people are calling out the shitshow he voted in and he can't answer back.

[Buce]

35 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

He laughs because he can't defend it, so he pretends like you've posted something ridiculous, when the reality is he just hates the fact people are calling out the shitshow he voted in and he can't answer back.

 

Yet ironically he actually draws attention to his impotence by laughing at something so obviously not intended to be funny.

 

What sad lives some people must have.

[leicsmac]

4 hours ago, Facecloth said:

He laughs because he can't defend it, so he pretends like you've posted something ridiculous, when the reality is he just hates the fact people are calling out the shitshow he voted in and he can't answer back.

 

3 hours ago, Buce said:

 

Yet ironically he actually draws attention to his impotence by laughing at something so obviously not intended to be funny.

 

What sad lives some people must have.

The guy thinks that the murder of Jo Cox, the probable effects of climate change (you know, because they most likely won't hit him first) and police brutality against black people in the US are funny too. (Just, you know, to stop them from holding the "whip hand", as Enoch P once said).

 

This is small beer, really.