Popular Post LiberalFox Posted 18 December 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 18 December 2021 One of my biggest issues with FPTP is how it makes votes uneven. I've voted in two different constituencies in my life, both very safe Conservative seats. I've never received more than a simple single sheet of election material for an election and nobody has ever canvassed me. Meanwhile entire government policies and infrastructure spending decisions are based around appealing to a narrow set of marginals and those areas receive tons of campaign material and activism. PR ensures an extra vote is worth having even in a stronghold of support or where you are traditionally weak, you might well see the Conservatives target inner city voters and low income people because suddenly those votes are as valuable as anywhere else. It makes it less easy to just sneer at people who don't vote for you and cut them out of policy entirely. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrington fox Posted 18 December 2021 Share Posted 18 December 2021 Well, Lord Frost has resigned. Will this further weaken Johnsons armour. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 18 December 2021 Share Posted 18 December 2021 30 minutes ago, Farrington fox said: Well, Lord Frost has resigned. Will this further weaken Johnsons armour. Some more bad news for Boris when he needs some good news ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 18 December 2021 Share Posted 18 December 2021 31 minutes ago, Farrington fox said: Well, Lord Frost has resigned. Will this further weaken Johnsons armour. Really leaves him ****ed ‘Frosty’ going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alf Bentley Posted 18 December 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 18 December 2021 26 minutes ago, Farrington fox said: Well, Lord Frost has resigned. Will this further weaken Johnsons armour. If a rabid, semi-braindead, plague-infested rat deserts a sinking ship, I suppose that does reflect badly on the captain. Reports suggest he's gone because he thinks Johnson should bother less about cutting carbon emissions and fighting Covid, and should focus more on tax cuts. Nice one. Still, at least he goes out on a high, having enraged the French by threatening to cancel the N. Ireland Protocol before enraging the Ulster Unionists by backing down on those threats. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Farrington fox Posted 18 December 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 18 December 2021 Frost is a man of integrity. He’d make a better PM than the current oaf. A return to proper Conservatism is what is needed. 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 18 December 2021 Share Posted 18 December 2021 2 minutes ago, Farrington fox said: Frost is a man of integrity. He’d make a better PM than the current oaf. A return to proper Conservatism is what is needed. Only bit that's true. But then a giant steaming turd would make a better PM than Johnson. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Robo61 Posted 18 December 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 18 December 2021 19 minutes ago, Farrington fox said: Frost is a man of integrity. He’d make a better PM than the current oaf. A return to proper Conservatism is what is needed. The man that negotiated the N Ireland protocol, persuaded the PM that it was genius in order to get the Tories elected, then with the ink barely dry declares the protocol not fit for purpose, yes the height of integrity 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post weller54 Posted 18 December 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 18 December 2021 35 minutes ago, Farrington fox said: Frost is a man of integrity. He’d make a better PM than the current oaf. A return to proper Conservatism is what is needed. FFS... there's really no hope for some people 😂 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FoxyPV Posted 18 December 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 18 December 2021 47 minutes ago, Farrington fox said: Frost is a man of integrity. He’d make a better PM than the current oaf. A return to proper Conservatism is what is needed. Lay off the glue 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 18 December 2021 Share Posted 18 December 2021 1 hour ago, Facecloth said: Only bit that's true. But then a giant steaming turd would make a better PM than Johnson. Shame Frost is unavailable, then...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacedX Posted 18 December 2021 Share Posted 18 December 2021 1 hour ago, Farrington fox said: Frost is a man of integrity. I would "ban Frost". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Górnik Leicester Posted 18 December 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 18 December 2021 The thing with the Conservatives is that, while they may consistently screw you over, they do occasionally make complete prats of themselves. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunge Posted 19 December 2021 Share Posted 19 December 2021 Will Frost going weaken Boris? Not nearly as much as the by-election result and what must be coming back to Conservative central office from the focus groups. Frost is certainly no loss to the rest of us. For an ex-diplomat, he’s proved surprisingly unskilled in diplomacy. And his reasons for leaving make me all the gladder he’s going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 19 December 2021 Share Posted 19 December 2021 35 minutes ago, Górnik Leicester said: The thing with the Conservatives is that, while they may consistently screw you over, they do occasionally make complete prats of themselves. Hahahahahaha **** me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 19 December 2021 Share Posted 19 December 2021 2 hours ago, Farrington fox said: Frost is a man of integrity. He’d make a better PM than the current oaf. A return to proper Conservatism is what is needed. Does "proper conservatism" include climate change ignorance, then? I mean, judging by the counterparts in the US it may well do so, but it would be nice to be sure that such a term does in fact include such a wholesale and criminal lack of regard for the future and those who inhabit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 19 December 2021 Share Posted 19 December 2021 1 hour ago, leicsmac said: Does "proper conservatism" include climate change ignorance, then? I mean, judging by the counterparts in the US it may well do so, but it would be nice to be sure that such a term does in fact include such a wholesale and criminal lack of regard for the future and those who inhabit it. Not in my view, but it probably includes a pragmatic approach to how we deliver the necessary changes, balancing speed with economic impact so we dont set ourselves back in standards of living to a point where a farage type single issue politician can take power and kybosh the whole program. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 19 December 2021 Share Posted 19 December 2021 35 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Not in my view, but it probably includes a pragmatic approach to how we deliver the necessary changes, balancing speed with economic impact so we dont set ourselves back in standards of living to a point where a farage type single issue politician can take power and kybosh the whole program. Then I would say that it is well-meaning but misguided because we simply don't have that kind of time and it would result in drastic changes that would be fertile ground for those single-issue populists to make things worse anyway. Well, perhaps we're screwed no matter which way we approach this, then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Posted 19 December 2021 Share Posted 19 December 2021 At his point, it’s safe to say, the current Government looks like a house of cards, built on a beach, with the tide coming in. People repeatably called for Teresa May to go and challenged her leadership. How long before we see this with Boris? Surely if they want to retain their seats, then he needs to go? Is it even possible to get a vote of no confidence through Parliament? This lot are proving themselves to be a bunch of clowns. We’re about 6 months from full on anarchy and rioting I think at the rate we’re going. Total wreckage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrington fox Posted 19 December 2021 Share Posted 19 December 2021 8 hours ago, Górnik Leicester said: The thing with the Conservatives is that, while they may consistently screw you over, they do occasionally make complete prats of themselves. Well yes I agree. But occasionally is an improvement on Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrington fox Posted 19 December 2021 Share Posted 19 December 2021 8 hours ago, Dunge said: Will Frost going weaken Boris? Not nearly as much as the by-election result and what must be coming back to Conservative central office from the focus groups. Frost is certainly no loss to the rest of us. For an ex-diplomat, he’s proved surprisingly unskilled in diplomacy. And his reasons for leaving make me all the gladder he’s going. Yes but are you coming at it from a socialist viewpoint? As for the Shropshire by. It was clearly a protest vote, and note the votes didn’t go the way of labour! The Conservatives need to get Johnson out asap. Otherwise come 2024 well end up with some lib lab green coalition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Facecloth Posted 19 December 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 19 December 2021 11 minutes ago, Farrington fox said: Well yes I agree. But occasionally is an improvement on Labour. Are you really suggesting Labour are ****ing up on a more regular basis than this current government? 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tommy Fresh Posted 19 December 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 19 December 2021 8 minutes ago, Farrington fox said: Yes but are you coming at it from a socialist viewpoint? As for the Shropshire by. It was clearly a protest vote, and note the votes didn’t go the way of labour! The Conservatives need to get Johnson out asap. Otherwise come 2024 well end up with some lib lab green coalition. Can't imagine that coalition could do any worse than the dreadful leadership Boris and the Conservatives have served up. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 19 December 2021 Share Posted 19 December 2021 4 minutes ago, Facecloth said: Are you really suggesting Labour are ****ing up on a more regular basis than this current government? I had to read that a few times too. He's definitely in the camp that Labour have caused all the shit in the past decade and Tories are absolved of blame for the things they shouldn't have fvcked up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 19 December 2021 Share Posted 19 December 2021 1 minute ago, StanSP said: I had to read that a few times too. He's definitely in the camp that Labour have caused all the shit in the past decade and Tories are absolved of blame for the things they shouldn't have fvcked up. Probably try and blame it on them having no competent opposition, like when Boris used to spout Rashford provided better opposition, rather than answer any questions at PMQs with something informative 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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