Not The Politics Thread.

[rachhere]

5 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Do you imagine that every government building around the world had all their staff wfh or equipped with a 2m sticks to ensure as they walked through the corridors they didn’t fall foul to what they have told the rest of us to do? 
There is a big difference between the average joe and governments running countries, & not a 1 rule for them type scenario, of course there are going to be jobs where you can’t self distance, all the emergency services for a start you not whinging at our ICU nurses on here for not self isolating from each other or coppers in patrol cars etc

I think most people just look at their own personal situations and sacrifices & assume that’s it it’s the same for everyone else both on work and home front as like for like and yes we expect them to toe the line at home down the shops and getting to work, but then once at work they have to be able to work they are running the country after all.

There's a huge difference between passing by someone in a corridor and sitting round a table with them!

 

Frankly I am amazed they even had time for all these parties and socialising. I know that I certainly didn't as a direct consequence of the requirements that the government placed on the sector I work in, and I still haven't in any way recovered from that. 

[danny.]

So apparently running the country involves chilling out with wine and cheese and having parties. 

[yorkie1999]

31 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

I saw someone speculate that that's the view from the upstairs balcony of 11 Downing Street...

Is that on the 6th floor of the school book depositry

[Strokes]

20 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Nope, sorry. Not buying that at all. You can't just claim people are letting their own emotional experiences rule their feelings on this (which, by the way, they've every right to do given the gravity of what they went through) when cold, hard logic also dictates that there was no way the scenes in this photo were justifiable in either a legal or moral sense, whether you deem what you see in the photo to be a work meeting or a social gathering.

 

Comparing what's going on there to ICU nurses brushing past each other in Covid wards doesn't seem a very rational argument to me.

Also clearly in the photo social distancing can be avoided

So wtf is he going on about?

[WigstonWanderer]

Don’t like the sound of this, especially as the bad guys are armed to the teeth.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/20/us-closer-to-civil-war-new-book-barbara-walter-trump-capitol-attack

 

[FoxyPV]

40 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Do you imagine that every government building around the world had all their staff wfh or equipped with a 2m sticks to ensure as they walked through the corridors they didn’t fall foul to what they have told the rest of us to do? 
There is a big difference between the average joe and governments running countries, & not a 1 rule for them type scenario, of course there are going to be jobs where you can’t self distance, all the emergency services for a start you not whinging at our ICU nurses on here for not self isolating from each other or coppers in patrol cars etc

I think most people just look at their own personal situations and sacrifices & assume that’s it it’s the same for everyone else both on work and home front as like for like and yes we expect them to toe the line at home down the shops and getting to work, but then once at work they have to be able to work they are running the country after all.

It must be super difficult typing this with a mouthful of boot

 

 

Edited 20 December 2021 by FoxyPV
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[FoxyPV]

How can anyone defend them?

 

For clarity, fk labour for being so useless as well

[yorkie1999]

23 minutes ago, danny. said:

So apparently running the country involves chilling out with wine and cheese and having parties. 

According to Dominic Raab, yes, it was a work meeting because they all had suits on. 

[FoxesDeb]

Just now, FoxyPV said:

How can anyone defend them?

 

For clarity, fk labour for being so useless as well

If we'd known suits were a suitable equivalent to PPE we could have saved ourselves a fortune 

[fox_up_north]

Rabb should not be allowed to talk. By his logic, weddings and funerals should also have been allowed not to social distance.

[danny.]

3 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

According to Dominic Raab, yes, it was a work meeting because they all had suits on. 

I'm sure they makes people who couldn't attend their own parents' funerals feel so much better, if only they had worn a suit to the funeral

[StanSP]

56 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

I saw someone speculate that that's the view from the upstairs balcony of 11 Downing Street...

That was Ed Balls 

[BKLFox]

25 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Nope, sorry. Not buying that at all. You can't just claim people are letting their own emotional experiences rule their feelings on this (which, by the way, they've every right to do given the gravity of what they went through) when cold, hard logic also dictates that there was no way the scenes in this photo were justifiable in either a legal or moral sense, whether you deem what you see in the photo to be a work meeting or a social gathering.

 

Comparing what's going on there to ICU nurses brushing past each other in Covid wards doesn't seem a very rational argument to me.

Was not using ICU nurses to compare apples and apples but to suggest there are workplace environments where social distancing can’t be followed.

 

Does anyone have the context behind the photo, what if that group had been stuck in a covid meeting down in 1 of the rooms for the previous 5hrs solid then they take a break where they retire to the gardens for some air and light refreshments to me big deal.

If however there are photos where they are all over each other, not wearing masks in supermarkets, going out for non essential business etc then yes it would get my back up I’m saying this photo doesn’t do that for me.

 

Of course people are looking at it from an emotional front it’s hard not to because we are human and another human is doing something that we weren’t allowed to do at the time and therefore immediate reaction is to attack

[Strokes]

6 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

If we'd known suits were a suitable equivalent to PPE we could have saved ourselves a fortune 

Moss Bros hazmat range?

[yorkie1999]

Time to get rid, this lot only follow the rules when it suits them!

[The Horse's Mouth]

ET stepping down 

[danny.]

1 minute ago, BKLFox said:

Was not using ICU nurses to compare apples and apples but to suggest there are workplace environments where social distancing can’t be followed.

 

Does anyone have the context behind the photo, what if that group had been stuck in a covid meeting down in 1 of the rooms for the previous 5hrs solid then they take a break where they retire to the gardens for some air and light refreshments to me big deal.

If however there are photos where they are all over each other, not wearing masks in supermarkets, going out for non essential business etc then yes it would get my back up I’m saying this photo doesn’t do that for me.

 

Of course people are looking at it from an emotional front it’s hard not to because we are human and another human is doing something that we weren’t allowed to do at the time and therefore immediate reaction is to attack

Wine isn't a light refreshment is it. Was the baby in the meeting too?

 

You can argue all you like but the simple fact is what they were doing was not allowed at the time. No one else was allowed to sit chilling in a garden drinking wine and eating cheese, I even remember reading a couple of stories of people doing this under the pretence of it being a business event (including one guy at xmas) and the Police getting involved.

 

Again, people were literally not allowed to see their loved ones die and attend their funeral whilst your Tory superiors sat and chilled.

[CosbehFox]

That photo has brought back some memories of that time around April and May where there were things like a playground locked up near me 

[Strokes]

2 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

ET stepping down 

Should he phone home first?

[foxile5]

20 minutes ago, FoxyPV said:

How can anyone defend them?

 

For clarity, fk labour for being so useless as well

People defend them because for some politics has become a team sport and not an objective means of improving the country. 

 

Some on here identify as Tory as much as we all do city fans and, as such, will look past the most scandalous behaviour to defend what they perceive to be their team. 

 

The current crop of Conservatives should really be removed from power through public indignation and fury but the team sport mentality has prevented that and goodness why some folk have elected to line up behind the scruffy, racist, philandering crook Johnson. 

[urban.spaceman]

7 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Was not using ICU nurses to compare apples and apples but to suggest there are workplace environments where social distancing can’t be followed.

 

Does anyone have the context behind the photo, what if that group had been stuck in a covid meeting down in 1 of the rooms for the previous 5hrs solid then they take a break where they retire to the gardens for some air and light refreshments to me big deal.

If however there are photos where they are all over each other, not wearing masks in supermarkets, going out for non essential business etc then yes it would get my back up I’m saying this photo doesn’t do that for me.

 

Of course people are looking at it from an emotional front it’s hard not to because we are human and another human is doing something that we weren’t allowed to do at the time and therefore immediate reaction is to attack

Respectfully, you need to read this again and understand why people are upset and furious:

 

5 hours ago, adam said:

This is why people get slightly annoyed by Boris and his tea party. 

My own mum missed out on 3 whole months of her first grandchild's life (lockdown came in when she was around 5 weeks old). She was quite literally tearing her hair out through frustration and the mental torment it had brought. My niece is almost 2 and still hasn't met her paternal grandparents.

 

People aren't upset because the Tories 'broke the rules'. They're upset because when they were following the rules to the absolute letter to protect their loved ones, even at the most difficult of times, the people setting the rules weren't even following them themselves.

 

This is about the people in power showing nothing but contempt for the people they have power over. For which they have a clear and obvious history of doing. 

[Voll Blau]

12 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Was not using ICU nurses to compare apples and apples but to suggest there are workplace environments where social distancing can’t be followed.

 

Does anyone have the context behind the photo, what if that group had been stuck in a covid meeting down in 1 of the rooms for the previous 5hrs solid then they take a break where they retire to the gardens for some air and light refreshments to me big deal.

If however there are photos where they are all over each other, not wearing masks in supermarkets, going out for non essential business etc then yes it would get my back up I’m saying this photo doesn’t do that for me.

 

Of course people are looking at it from an emotional front it’s hard not to because we are human and another human is doing something that we weren’t allowed to do at the time and therefore immediate reaction is to attack

Wasn't allowed under the rules at the time, even if that's what was happening. In any other workplace in the country at the time, the gaffer would have been prosecuted for allowing it. Even if they were working in the garden, social distancing could have been followed there and wasn't. So they're either breaking workplace rules or breaking social gathering rules because that photo's got to be one or the other?

 

I've accepted people are looking at this emotionally but, as I say, even if you just look at this with cold, hard logic it doesn't stack up either. There really is some huge mental gymnastics that has to be done to justify this in any way, shape or form. Raab's attempts to defend it this morning were laughable, he couldn't get his story straight at all.

[Footballwipe]

Absolutely staggering what some people will defend. If it's your own flesh and blood, or someone very close to you, I'd get it. These are the senior members and office staff of a political party. A party that would shit on you from the greatest of heights if it gave them even a 0.1% uptick in the polls.

 

Surely there are bigger and better hills to humiliate yourself on? Good lord.

Edited 20 December 2021 by Footballwipe

[foxile5]

8 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

Absolutely staggering what some people will defend. If it's your own flesh and blood, or someone very close to you, I'd get it. These are the senior members and office staff of a political party. A party that would shit on you from the greatest of heights if it have them even a 0.1% uptick in the polls.

 

Surely there are bigger and better hills to humiliate yourself on? Good lord.

Baffling. 

 

The fact that it's the Tories too. The type of folk to use foxestalk are the very people that Johnson looks down his nose at openly. Very strange. 

 

But like I said above, got to defend the team. Even if the team are elitists who hold the British public in contempt. 

Edited 20 December 2021 by foxile5

[Izzy]

32 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

ET stepping down 

So is Laura Kuenssberg as BBC political editor. 
 

“She’s extremely talented, popular and will be sadly missed”

 

Said no one.