Not The Politics Thread.

[urban.spaceman]

1 hour ago, Adrian said:

Am I allowed to play devil's advocate?

 

Truth is alot of people took rules with pinch if salt....They played by the rules mostly but there were 'gatherings ' and kept it on the hush hush...

 

Did anyone on here disgusted at Boris  have a 'secret xmas'.  No one will admit their own hypocrisy cos we all lie and bullshit but happily point out others

 

There are those who bloody loved the rules and obeyed them all of course .You know the ones that the idea of attending a music festival would be like paying a visit to the devil's asshole 

I sacrificed my job (one on one social care for a young man with autism and a weakened immune system) in order to keep him locked down and his family and mine safe. Because it was a private arrangement I wasn't eligible for furlough. So until I could work again with him in October, I earned absolutely nothing for six months.

 

But I was happy to do it in order to keep him safe.

 

My mum missed out on 3 whole months of contact with her first grandchild (born at the very end of January 2020) because she wanted to keep everyone safe. Even when we could meet up outdoors she couldn't even hold her granddaughter. 

 

I didn't hug my own gran for 8 months. Because I needed to keep her safe.

 

On the day they were partying in May 2020 it was the funeral of a family friend. Her daughter has respiratory problems so couldn't go to her mum's funeral. They drove the hearse past her house and nobody was allowed to give her a hug. To keep her safe.

 

Did I break any rules? Probably. I'm sure everyone did in their own way, either in a tiny way or massive way.

 

But they weren't the ones setting the rules.

 

The people setting the rules showed nothing but contempt for their own rules, and in doing so have spat in the faces of the 150,000 dead, in the faces of their families who made sacrifices at funerals and deathbeds, in the faces of people who couldn't work and had absolutely no government help whatsoever, in the faces of people whose mental health suffered, and in the faces of people who couldn't even hug their newborn grandchild.

 

That's why people are disgusted with them. Everyone made sacrifices while they were having a piss up.

[Smudge]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

I sacrificed my job (one on one social care for a young man with autism and a weakened immune system) in order to keep him locked down and his family and mine safe. Because it was a private arrangement I wasn't eligible for furlough. So until I could work again with him in October, I earned absolutely nothing for six months.

 

But I was happy to do it in order to keep him safe.

 

My mum missed out on 3 whole months of contact with her first grandchild (born at the very end of January 2020) because she wanted to keep everyone safe. Even when we could meet up outdoors she couldn't even hold her granddaughter. 

 

I didn't hug my own gran for 8 months. Because I needed to keep her safe.

 

On the day they were partying in May 2020 it was the funeral of a family friend. Her daughter has respiratory problems so couldn't go to her mum's funeral. They drove the hearse past her house and nobody was allowed to give her a hug. To keep her safe.

 

Did I break any rules? Probably. I'm sure everyone did in their own way, either in a tiny way or massive way.

 

But they weren't the ones setting the rules.

 

The people setting the rules showed nothing but contempt for their own rules, and in doing so have spat in the faces of the 150,000 dead, in the faces of their families who made sacrifices at funerals and deathbeds, in the faces of people who couldn't work and had absolutely no government help whatsoever, in the faces of people whose mental health suffered, and in the faces of people who couldn't even hug their newborn grandchild.

 

That's why people are disgusted with them. Everyone made sacrifices while they were having a piss up.

Well said. Those who make the rules have to live to the standard they set. How can you be a part of the legislature if you don't intend to obey the law?

[HighPeakFox]

4 hours ago, Smudge said:

Well said. Those who make the rules have to live to the standard they set. How can you be a part of the legislature if you don't intend to obey the law?

I realise your question is rhetorical, but the answer is that if you've spent your collective life being told you're better, special and different, then you probably come to believe that things like morals and laws are political footballs you use to try and subjugate & control other people, but inconvenient irrelevances when those people try to apply them to you yourselves.

[ealingfox]

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Edited 15 January 2022 by ealingfox

[ealingfox]

[Sly]

6 hours ago, Daggers said:

Yep, not really answered my question though. What precisely do you expect an opposition party to do?
 

You say they should do more - what? An opposition can only oppose the governing party or hold it to account through questioning or action in committees - both of which it does if you watch committees working.
 

So if they’ve “not done enough”, what is it you think they should be doing?

An opposition party, should hold the party in power accountable. 

 

They must have known about what was happening. 12 months down the line with all of this coming out now, people 

have sat on information. They should have been pushing on this sooner. 
 

The Labour Party has spent the last 2 years with in-fighting, they’re going to split their vote if Corbyn splits off and to form his own party, as he did have core support. What do labour actually stand for? At the moment, they’re increasing in popularity due to the shower that is Boris Johnson. 

[Farrington fox]

All plan B restrictions set to axed on the 26th according to the Telegraph. I hope permanently removing the Coronavirus act is included, along with the draconian mandatory vaccines for health workers.

 

Edited 15 January 2022 by Farrington fox

[Unabomber]

What even is this plan B? I’ve just been living normally apart from isolating when positive.

[Foxdiamond]

10 minutes ago, Sly said:

An opposition party, should hold the party in power accountable. 

 

They must have known about what was happening. 12 months down the line with all of this coming out now, people 

have sat on information. They should have been pushing on this sooner. 
 

The Labour Party has spent the last 2 years with in-fighting, they’re going to split their vote if Corbyn splits off and to form his own party, as he did have core support. What do labour actually stand for? At the moment, they’re increasing in popularity due to the shower that is Boris Johnson. 

Don't shoot the messenger. Besides it is very difficult for an opposition during a pandemic. Have to support measures for public safety without being seen as just a negative force against the government . I agree that Labour is not cute enough with the infighting. Tories are often as split but more crafty.

[Farrington fox]

Just now, Unabomber said:

What even is this plan B? I’ve just been living normally apart from isolating when positive.

Masks in shops, working from home vaccine passports for large events..

[Voll Blau]

23 minutes ago, Sly said:

An opposition party, should hold the party in power accountable. 

 

They must have known about what was happening. 12 months down the line with all of this coming out now, people 

have sat on information. They should have been pushing on this sooner. 
 

The Labour Party has spent the last 2 years with in-fighting, they’re going to split their vote if Corbyn splits off and to form his own party, as he did have core support. What do labour actually stand for? At the moment, they’re increasing in popularity due to the shower that is Boris Johnson. 

How would they have known about it? If you're in opposition, Downing Street's the bit of Westminster you're least welcome in.

 

If you want to have a go at anyone for sitting on information, it's the Tories and civil servants *who were actually there* and are only releasing it now because they want Johnson gone.

Edited 15 January 2022 by Voll Blau

[Unabomber]

3 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

Masks in shops, working from home vaccine passports for large events..

Ah right well masks in shops don’t bother me at all. Definitely don’t agree with the passports. 

[ealingfox]

4 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

Masks in shops, working from home vaccine passports for large events..

 

Why do you care if other people work from home?

 

[Foxdiamond]

22 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

Not surprised.  Throw some lambs to the slaughter rather than the big dog responsible. What happened to the buck stop here. 

[ealingfox]

23 minutes ago, Sly said:

An opposition party, should hold the party in power accountable. 

 

They must have known about what was happening. 12 months down the line with all of this coming out now, people 

have sat on information. They should have been pushing on this sooner. 
 

The Labour Party has spent the last 2 years with in-fighting, they’re going to split their vote if Corbyn splits off and to form his own party, as he did have core support. What do labour actually stand for? At the moment, they’re increasing in popularity due to the shower that is Boris Johnson. 

 

What do the Conservatives actually stand for?

[danny.]

2 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

What do the Conservatives actually stand for?

Corruption 

[Farrington fox]

17 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

Why do you care if other people work from home?

 

I don't. @Unabomber asked what plan B restrictions included, those I listed were those I remembered. 

[urban.spaceman]

 

 

[Corky]

If the Government people have broken the rules, they pay the fines.

 

Forget all this shit about not doing things retrospectively, if the rule makers aren't following their own rules then what is the point of them?

[Adrian]

8 hours ago, Pliskin said:

 those who work in senior public sector role’s such as a politician for example, must show exquisite behaviour.

Really? I dont need that from my leaders..Human beings remember. It's the saints that worry me... Saying that I'd like to see Boris and conservatives move on but I won't join  Boris bashing orgy. Xmas party is ill advised but to me its small chips so I'm indifferent.

[Pliskin]

10 minutes ago, Adrian said:

Really? I dont need that from my leaders..Human beings remember. It's the saints that worry me... Saying that I'd like to see Boris and conservatives move on but I won't join  Boris bashing orgy. Xmas party is ill advised but to me its small chips so I'm indifferent.

Really? You don’t believe that the most senior members of a public office should act with integrity and a high degree of professionalism? 
 

If that’s the case then what is the point in even having a government? I’m sorry, but Boris is just another incompetent (possibly the most) leader we’ve had in some time. You simply can’t have leaders of a public office behaving like he does, and to suggest that it’s fine says a lot about your morals. 

[Foxdiamond]

15 minutes ago, Adrian said:

Really? I dont need that from my leaders..Human beings remember. It's the saints that worry me... Saying that I'd like to see Boris and conservatives move on but I won't join  Boris bashing orgy. Xmas party is ill advised but to me its small chips so I'm indifferent.

Johnson will survive if public continues to show apathy as you describe. This is why we get leaders with serious lack of morals. 

[Tinman]

When David Mellor takes the moral high ground you know it must be bad.

[Finnaldo]

16 minutes ago, Adrian said:

Really? I dont need that from my leaders..Human beings remember. It's the saints that worry me... Saying that I'd like to see Boris and conservatives move on but I won't join  Boris bashing orgy. Xmas party is ill advised but to me its small chips so I'm indifferent.

Story wouldn’t have hit the heights it has if they admitted wrong, the police investigated and they were slapped with the very fine us ‘plebs’ were given for the same behaviour. Instead they’ve stalled, apparently tried to destroy evidence and the Met have been too under the thumb to investigate. Someone who had an outdoor party on the same day as the Downing Street got hit with a £12,000 fine. 
 

It’s the fact they’re above the law that angers people. You can call it a ‘hate-orgy’ and pretend you’re not vigorously defending him, but it doesn’t make you look any smarter or make it any less obvious what you’re trying to achieve.

[Fox in the North]