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Finnaldo

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To be fair there’s good reason for Parliamentary code, that said it needs a thorough truly independent review and reform. The reason liar is unparliamentary language is that it’s a relic from a time when being an ‘honourable gentleman’ in Parliaments probably meant being a wealthy landlord aristocrat and as such having your honour questioned was the same as having a hooker’s body found in your trunk today. Today’s politics, to some extent on both sides but taken to a whole new level by the current cabinet, lying is just a means to an end. As such if we have any hope of salvaging any honour in today’s political set-up there needs to be major changes made, not least to ensure you aren’t ejected for the House for being honest about a liar.

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Voll Blau

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There does need to be some sort of rule because otherwise you'd just have both sides slinging mud at each other and shouting "LIAR!" all day, every day. Pretty sure anyone who's ever attended a local council meeting can attest to just how tedious that can get.

 

That said, there really does need to be a mechanism whereby such horrific lies like Johnson peddles every week can be called out, especially now he's that desperate he's shouting out fvcking EDL memes in Parliament.

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13 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

There does need to be some sort of rule because otherwise you'd just have both sides slinging mud at each other and shouting "LIAR!" all day, every day. Pretty sure anyone who's ever attended a local council meeting can attest to just how tedious that can get.

I’ve not had that pleasure, but I have read post-match threads.

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4 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Looks like he survives again. Will go on to win the next election because a vast part of the general public are either thick or ignorant.

I'd be very surprised if Johnson wins a majority again. Would probably leave the country if he does. 

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About 15 years ago, I attended an 'auction' with my then gf. In actual fact it was a rather well targeted sales pitch of goods that may or may not have been dodgy. 

 

We stood agape as a very obvious wind up and manipulation of the majority of attendees took place, and by the time people were clamouring to buy the goods, we decided it was time for a cuppa and quietly left. 

 

All those people were voting age. And that is one example of how easy it is to goof a sizeable percentage of the electorate. 

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9 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Looks like he survives again. Will go on to win the next election because a vast part of the general public are either thick or ignorant.

This is what sticks the knife in most for me. We now have it plain as day as to how vile these people are and I’m convinced people would still vote for them/him. 

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10 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

This fiasco strikes the feeling that Boris and Co are undefeatable, no matter what controversy happens.

 

That feeling is understandable, but I don't think they are undefeatable long-term.

 

It's conceivable that Johnson might survive this current crisis if there are no further revelations imminently (a big IF). Not least as Tory MPs don't seem convinced they've got an obvious successor (Sunak most likely?)

It's also conceivable that the electorate may "move on", get bored of it or assume it's just how most politicians behave.....though maybe not anyone who's suffered major personal hardship during Covid.

 

But there are a lot of major problems on the horizon that will affect voters directly - food price rises, rising fuel bills, National Insurance rise, freezing of income tax allowances etc. Plus an ongoing tug-of-war within the Tory party about whether to raise taxes or cut public services (not wanting to further increase public debt, post-Covid). A lot of folk vote on how good/bad their own lives & prospects feel.

 

Even if Johnson survives this crisis and memories of partygate fade for many (not all) voters, those new issues could ensure the Tories get a hammering in the May local elections.......would Tory MPs want to keep him after that? Doubtful.

 

5 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

If Murdoch et Al decide they want Starmer, he'll win a landslide. Otherwise, it'll be tough. 

 

Even with the support of Murdoch & co, I doubt Starmer would manage a 1997-style landslide - not least as there's little sign yet of Labour being able to win back many seats in Scotland.

 

I could imagine a scenario where the Tories get hammered at the next general election and where Labour is the biggest party in parliament, but perhaps only if the Lib Dems take a lot of traditional Tory seats.

If Labour won back most of the "red wall" seats and took some other Tory seats in the South (places like Southampton, Swindon, Reading, Plymouth, Norwich, Ipswich, a few in London & home counties) plus a handful in Scotland, that would be enough to be the largest party but probably not enough for a majority, never mind a landslide. For a landslide, they'd need a major comeback in Scotland and/or a lot of long-shot Tory seats in the South that currently have massive majorities.

 

But another scenario is that the Tories ditch Johnson soon or after the May elections, a new leader restores their reputation a bit & dissociated himself/herself from Bozza, a few things go OK with the economy, a few handouts are given to the right voters....and then the Tories are right back in the game electorally.

 

I just want Johnson gone for the good of the country. Some are claiming that it would be good for Labour if he stays on as a damaged PM who's lost his reputation - but I just want him gone regardless.

I can't see him lasting until the next general election, anyway.

 

But even when it comes to cynical electoral calculations, I reckon Labour would be better off if Johnson goes soon. If he's still there in May and the Tories get an electoral hammering due to the cost of living crisis, it'll be easier for a new leader to attribute it all to the "old Johnson govt" (as Johnson does, dissociating himself from Cameron & Osborne's austerity years) and to appear like a new broom. If Johnson goes now, the new leader will have their fingerprints all over the cost of living crisis...

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He’s such an egomaniac that he can’t read the room. He simply does not believe any of the rules - including the ministerial code - apply to him.

 

This government of misfits, psychopaths, lunatics and zealots has flushed long-standing conventions down the toilet, to the extent that the parliamentary democracy system is creaking under the weight of the sleaze. 
 

The system has worked in the past because of written and unwritten rules that state that if you get caught lying, you have to fall on your sword. Loads of politicians have tried to pull a fast one over the years, but generally they’ve held their hands up when found out.

 

Johnson lies habitually, just like Trump did. They really are two peas in a pod in that respect. They both just say whatever suits them, at that exact moment in time. The lies are so constant that it becomes impossible to even keep track. The lines between objective reality and his narrative become blurred. 
 

Politics is just a game to these ex-Etonians. It’s just sport. And some people, as we know, are willing to cheat at sport. 

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56 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Tory MP condemning his PM... Not that you'd know he was a Tory as his bio makes no reference to them.

 

 

 

 

He was Chief Whip under May, then Northern Ireland Secretary under Johnson, where he presided over the restoration of Stormont power-sharing.....until Bozza sacked him.

 

From Wikipedia: "Some political commentators expressed their surprise at Smith's dismissal, given his perceived success during his time as Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. It was suggested that Smith's testimony to the N. Ireland Affairs Select Committee in October 2019, in which he described a potential no-deal Brexit as being "a very, very bad idea for Northern Ireland", had influenced the decision to remove him from his position. Stephen Bush, political editor of the New Statesman, speculated that the consequence of Johnson's removal of Smith would be the destabilisation of the new power-sharing agreement and increased difficulty in negotiating the details of the New Protocol".

 

Some glowing tributes and expressions of concern from across the Irish Sea when he was sacked: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51487695

 

Seems to be one of the minority of honourable and highly capable Tories (of various persuasions), like Rory Stewart, Ruth Davidson, even Andrew Mitchell.....who share the quality of having been discarded by our narcissistic King Charlatan.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

He was Chief Whip under May, then Northern Ireland Secretary under Johnson, where he presided over the restoration of Stormont power-sharing.....until Bozza sacked him.

 

From Wikipedia: "Some political commentators expressed their surprise at Smith's dismissal, given his perceived success during his time as Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. It was suggested that Smith's testimony to the N. Ireland Affairs Select Committee in October 2019, in which he described a potential no-deal Brexit as being "a very, very bad idea for Northern Ireland", had influenced the decision to remove him from his position. Stephen Bush, political editor of the New Statesman, speculated that the consequence of Johnson's removal of Smith would be the destabilisation of the new power-sharing agreement and increased difficulty in negotiating the details of the New Protocol".

 

Some glowing tributes and expressions of concern from across the Irish Sea when he was sacked: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51487695

 

Seems to be one of the minority of honourable and highly capable Tories (of various persuasions), like Rory Stewart, Ruth Davidson, even Andrew Mitchell.....who share the quality of having been discarded by our narcissistic King Charlatan.

 

 

Speaking of whom:

 

 

 

 

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**** it, at this point I am just going to pledge my support to Boris. Pointless doing otherwise. He's a good egg. The only people I'd prefer to run the Country would be Nadine Dorries or Dominc Raabies

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45 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

We're being taken for fools.

 

Sue gray’s report will no doubt reveal the notable names of those who attended parties gatherings…..

 

however, no 10 mentioned yesterday that they reserved the right to not publish those parts of the report where individuals were named …..

 

I think we know where this is going …..

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6 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Sue gray’s report will no doubt reveal the notable names of those who attended parties gatherings…..

 

however, no 10 mentioned yesterday that they reserved the right to not publish those parts of the report where individuals were named …..

 

I think we know where this is going …..

It’s amazing how the Met had no interest in investigating until them investigating helped the Government bury the bad news.

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