Not The Politics Thread.

[Kingleicester]

15 hours ago, Facecloth said:

Yep, that's it. This government have reacted late to a pandemic causing thousands of deaths, have wasted billions of pounds of public money on a useless track and trace, funnelled billions to their mates, failed to close borders allowing variants to enter and spread in this country. Have took the piss out of you by doing things like driving the whole length of the country for a family day out or shagging their aide all whilst millions have given up their lives, haven't seen family, haven't said goodbye to loved ones, have had to cancel weddings, and holidays.

 

And your reaction is "But Labour"

The “But labour thing” is a surly a reminder it could be worse!! I know you have a deep freaky hatred/obsession for Borris, But come on  hand on heart would this spineless man do any better?? I think not 

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, Kingleicester said:

The “But labour thing” is a surly a reminder it could be worse!! I know you have a deep freaky hatred/obsession for Borris, But come on  hand on heart would this spineless man do any better?? I think not 

 

Is one's 'freaky hatred/obsession' for Boris not the same kind of freaky hatred/obsession for any opposition, namely Starmer in your post??

 

I think Starmer would do better because he just doesn't strike me as being anywhere near as incompetent as who we have in charge right now. 

[UniFox21]

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Quite sad 

We all laugh and mock the bloke for being a complete twat, but we all forget the human implications of all this. Those kids will be mocked to shit, the wife whose affairs are the knowledge of the entire country. 

[Corky]

Let's hope the press leave his wife and children alone. 

[Zear0]

37 minutes ago, Kingleicester said:

The “But labour thing” is a surly a reminder it could be worse!! I know you have a deep freaky hatred/obsession for Borris, But come on  hand on heart would this spineless man do any better?? I think not 

Can you explain why you think he's "spineless"?

 

I'm not currently a Labour voter, but given the work he did pre-politics that's not a word I'd use to describe him. Also quite an amusing description given the incumbent government's behaviour and management of the past 48 hours. 

Edited 27 June 2021 by Zear0

[Kingleicester]

2 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

Can you explain why you think he's "spineless"?

 

I'm not currently a Labour voter, but given the work he did pre-politics that's not a word I'd use to describe him. Also quite an amusing description given the incumbent government's behaviour and management of the past 48 hours. 

 The blokes always always sitting on the fence,  

who is the real Keir starmer

[Voll Blau]

9 minutes ago, Kingleicester said:

 The blokes always always sitting on the fence,  

who is the real Keir starmer

A bloke who actually has the bollocks to sack wrong'uns in his party when he has to, unlike the soppy mop opposite him...

[UpTheLeagueFox]

15 minutes ago, Kingleicester said:

 The blokes always always sitting on the fence,  

who is the real Keir starmer

"Would the real Keith Starmer please stand up, please stand up, please stand up."

[Facecloth]

49 minutes ago, Kingleicester said:

The “But labour thing” is a surly a reminder it could be worse!! I know you have a deep freaky hatred/obsession for Borris, But come on  hand on heart would this spineless man do any better?? I think not 

Dont know if you've noticed who's in charge of the country at the minute, but it isn't him. Peoples genuine criticism and concerns of the current governing party are never discussed, because they are always met by some hypothetical scenario that you've dreamed up about how shit the other one might be. Why? Why can't you discuss the performance of Johnson? There might be criticisms of Starmer, and you're free to discuss them, but why are they used to ignore the criticisms of Johnson? And that's where the "But Labour" complaint comes from. You're free to criticise them, but stop using it to dodge talking about the poor performance of the government.

 

Also Labour and Starmer in particular can do no right anyway. If they challenge the government on their mishandling of the pandemic or public funds, they are playing politics with the pandemic, if they hold off, they are weak. And why are people so desperate for him to spell out what he might do in an election three years away, we don't usually expect that from opposition leaders this early in an election cycle, and what would be the point if all drowned out by the current reaction to the pandemic. 

[UpTheLeagueFox]

Labour close the gap by a point in today's poll. Conservative lead slashed to just 8 points in this one.

 

 

[Kingleicester]

15 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Dont know if you've noticed who's in charge of the country at the minute, but it isn't him. Peoples genuine criticism and concerns of the current governing party are never discussed, because they are always met by some hypothetical scenario that you've dreamed up about how shit the other one might be. Why? Why can't you discuss the performance of Johnson? There might be criticisms of Starmer, and you're free to discuss them, but why are they used to ignore the criticisms of Johnson? And that's where the "But Labour" complaint comes from. You're free to criticise them, but stop using it to dodge talking about the poor performance of the government.

 

Also Labour and Starmer in particular can do no right anyway. If they challenge the government on their mishandling of the pandemic or public funds, they are playing politics with the pandemic, if they hold off, they are weak. And why are people so desperate for him to spell out what he might do in an election three years away, we don't usually expect that from opposition leaders this early in an election cycle, and what would be the point if all drowned out by the current reaction to the pandemic. 

I just think any government would be in a loose loose situation  during this pandemic, yes your right borris does deserve criticism on some of his actions, I’m not denying that, but on the the other hand, you can’t deny his passion for the nation, and what about the successful vaccine rollout? You ask me to criticise him (which I have) but on the other hand, do you praise him for good he’s done (little may be)

 I generally believe in current politicians he is the best from a bad bunch

[Legend_in_blue]

The successful vaccine rollout is not on the govt at all.  That's all the people in the NHS and the countless volunteers seeing it through.

[Kingleicester]

2 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

The successful vaccine rollout is not on the govt at all.  That's all the people in the NHS and the countless volunteers seeing it through.

Yes it is!! Without the government ordering them when they did, we secured them early. Unlike most of Europe making the move to late!! 

[Legend_in_blue]

Just now, Kingleicester said:

Yes it is!! Without the government ordering them when they did, we secured them early. Unlike most of Europe making the move to late!! 

There's more to it than just chucking cash at it.  Govt also chucked a load of cash on garbage PPE, so what?

 

It's the people in the system that make it work.  And the countless volunteers.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

7 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

The successful vaccine rollout is not on the govt at all.  That's all the people in the NHS and the countless volunteers seeing it through.

 

2 minutes ago, Kingleicester said:

Yes it is!! Without the government ordering them when they did, we secured them early. Unlike most of Europe making the move to late!! 

Spot on @Kingleicester. Very much a team effort. We should applaud ALL involved, yes even the Govt.

[Facecloth]

9 minutes ago, Kingleicester said:

I just think any government would be in a loose loose situation  during this pandemic, yes your right borris does deserve criticism on some of his actions, I’m not denying that, but on the the other hand, you can’t deny his passion for the nation, and what about the successful vaccine rollout? You ask me to criticise him (which I have) but on the other hand, do you praise him for good he’s done (little may be)

 I generally believe in current politicians he is the best from a bad bunch

The government aren't in a lose lose situation. If you act swiftly and purposely you can come out of this looking good. Or you can dither and waste time, waste money on track and trace, not get enough PPE, send covid infected people back to care homes when you said they were ring fenced etc the list goes on. 

 

You're entitled to think he's the best of a bad bunch, I think he's useless, and the worst of a bad bunch, but Labour and Starmer don't need to be mentioned everytime Johnson is criticised does he? And Johnson and the Tories are always likely to be talked about and criticised more as the governing party. You might think he'd be worse, I don't so it offers nothing to the discussion. Can we not talk about Johnson, good or bad without it flicking straight over to Starmer? I don't need reminding of you're thoughts on Starmer everytime Johnson ****s up.

[Kingleicester]

11 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

The government aren't in a lose lose situation. If you act swiftly and purposely you can come out of this looking good. Or you can dither and waste time, waste money on track and trace, not get enough PPE, send covid infected people back to care homes when you said they were ring fenced etc the list goes on. 

 

You're entitled to think he's the best of a bad bunch, I think he's useless, and the worst of a bad bunch, but Labour and Starmer don't need to be mentioned everytime Johnson is criticised does he? And Johnson and the Tories are always likely to be talked about and criticised more as the governing party. You might think he'd be worse, I don't so it offers nothing to the discussion. Can we not talk about Johnson, good or bad without it flicking straight over to Starmer? I don't need reminding of you're thoughts on Starmer everytime Johnson ****s up.

Bit  hypocritical asking for positive talk on Johnson from your self I’m sure if you did have anything positive to say on him, instead of all depressing talk, you would probably end up spontaneous combustion 

[Facecloth]

Just now, Kingleicester said:

Bit  hypocritical asking for positive talk on Johnson from your self I’m sure if you did have anything positive to say on him, instead of all depressing talk, you would probably end up spontaneous combustion 

I'm not asking you to talk positive about Starmer, I'm saying every criticism of Johnson doesn't have to be met with a comment on Starmer. 

[foxile5]

1 minute ago, Facecloth said:

I'm not asking you to talk positive about Starmer, I'm saying every criticism of Johnson doesn't have to be met with a comment on Starmer. 

This is the inherent issue of politics becoming less about what's good for the country and more a team competition. 

 

At this point out shouldn't be about my team / your team but about what's going to benefit the country most. That would be the removal of many senior politicians in government. 

[l444ry]

37 minutes ago, Kingleicester said:

Yes it is!! Without the government ordering them when they did, we secured them early. Unlike most of Europe making the move to late!! 

Yet the UK has the 5th highest rIsing cases of Covid in the World. You'd have to be Tommy not the recognise that level of incompetence.  

[StanSP]

39 minutes ago, Kingleicester said:

I just think any government would be in a loose loose situation  during this pandemic, yes your right borris does deserve criticism on some of his actions, I’m not denying that, but on the the other hand, you can’t deny his passion for the nation, and what about the successful vaccine rollout? You ask me to criticise him (which I have) but on the other hand, do you praise him for good he’s done (little may be)

 I generally believe in current politicians he is the best from a bad bunch

'His passion for the nation'? So is that something that can only be afforded to Johnson? Would Starmer not have 'passion for the nation' ?! 

If that's all you can give credit for to Johnson then it's not much, is it? Considering there's been 18 months (nearly) of this pandemic, is that all it takes to back him?

 

A successful vaccine rollout can only be afforded to Johnson for so much as well. Yes there was the purchase of them all in their millions, but who's been dishing them out? All the volunteers and NHS staff but they rarely get as much credit do they, especially from the government?

 

It's difficult for a non-Tory to praise Johnson because of all the utter shite that comes along with his 'leadership'. If he has such passion for his nation I'd have expected far better successes and achievements under his tenure than what we see now. The country is hardly revelling as a result of it.

[foxile5]

11 minutes ago, StanSP said:

'His passion for the nation'? So is that something that can only be afforded to Johnson? Would Starmer not have 'passion for the nation' ?! 

If that's all you can give credit for to Johnson then it's not much, is it? Considering there's been 18 months (nearly) of this pandemic, is that all it takes to back him?

 

A successful vaccine rollout can only be afforded to Johnson for so much as well. Yes there was the purchase of them all in their millions, but who's been dishing them out? All the volunteers and NHS staff but they rarely get as much credit do they, especially from the government?

 

It's difficult for a non-Tory to praise Johnson because of all the utter shite that comes along with his 'leadership'. If he has such passion for his nation I'd have expected far better successes and achievements under his tenure than what we see now. The country is hardly revelling as a result of it.

Isn't any party leader in possession of passion for the nation by proxy? That would be a major force in the decision to become a politician, surely? 

 

I can't imagine where a person is ambivalent to the fortunes of the country but decides to attempt to govern it. 

 

[StanSP]

17 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Isn't any party leader in possession of passion for the nation by proxy? That would be a major force in the decision to become a politician, surely? 

 

I can't imagine where a person is ambivalent to the fortunes of the country but decides to attempt to govern it. 

 

So Johnson has something that he is required to have, and that's the only thing going for him?

[DJ Barry Hammond]

3 hours ago, Kingleicester said:

The “But labour thing” is a surly a reminder it could be worse!! I know you have a deep freaky hatred/obsession for Borris, But come on  hand on heart would this spineless man do any better?? I think not 

I think the situation we’ve been through would have really complimented his skill set.

 

He’s a guy who is forensic, pays attention to detail - and someone who would have certainly attended COBRA meetings.

[Facecloth]

42 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Isn't any party leader in possession of passion for the nation by proxy? That would be a major force in the decision to become a politician, surely? 

 

I can't imagine where a person is ambivalent to the fortunes of the country but decides to attempt to govern it. 

 

You'd also think if he had passion for the nation he wouldn't be happy to constantly keep screwing it over. I mean someone with passion for the nation wouldn't be happy to see the taxes the public worked hard to raise get pissed up the wall on his watch. Wouldn't have said he's happy to see the bodies of his public pile high.

 

It's all an act, and people lap it up.