Not The Politics Thread.

[Corky]

Basically, just make Gold a terrestrial channel and you don't need to bother with any laws.

[Sampson]

9 hours ago, Buce said:

 

I think this typifies the Conservative party and its voter base: they have this false image of Britain being relevant like it was in days of empire, and that we still have these 'traditional values' of 'Britishness' (if they ever existed).

 

The reality is we don't have 'global reach' - ironically we lost a great deal of that with Brexit - and Shameless is more representative of modern 'Britishness' than Downton Abbey.

Now they're announcing the return of imperial measurements.

 

I'm not sure what you say is true. This is clearly lowest-common-denomentor patriotic policy announced at this time solely to deflect from the NI rise and I'm not sure it does typify the Tory Party. As as much as I disagreed with their politics, I just could not see this kind of nationalist dog whistling from Cameron or May's governments.

 

There's just something about this Johnson government that wasn't there under May or Cameron governments that really makes me feel a bit uneasy. I can't quite put my finger on it though. And I sincerely hope I'm wrong and its all in my head.

Edited 17 September 2021 by Sampson

[fox_up_north]

There was a level of competence under Cameron and May. Didn't always agree but you could generally see why and how they were doing what they were doing. This lot really will be viewed horrifically by historians.

[Guest Kopfkino]

On 15/09/2021 at 17:32, Sampson said:

I'll never understand why we claim to be a meritocracy but shuffle people round into extremely important positions on public finances, health, defence, education, diplomacy etc. based on politicking.

 

The idea how someone who has previously spent his or her career in foreign diplomacy can all of a sudden become the most powerful person and head of the entire nation's health sector, rather than someone who has specialist knowledge about health has always confused me.

 

Surely someone who's dedicated the last several years of their life to understanding the health or education sectors should be health or education secretary. Ditto, a person who's dedicated the last several years of their life to understanding diplomacy and international geopolitics should be foreign secretary.

 

But the way the system works in this country, especially under this current government, seems to be you take the most in vogue politicians then appoint them to random sectors of which they have no specialist knowledge for and are surely not the most qualified to understand.

 

At least Chancellor seems to be somewhat of an exception, as we at least tend to keep those for a long time and tend to appoint people with some kind of background in economics

The role of the minister doesn’t necessarily require them the have specialist knowledge, in fact there’s many an example where people without specialist knowledge can come in and make a real difference. Your post seems to miss the whole machinery of governance in this country beyond the personnel that make up the cabinet.

 

Whether the current cabinet has the skills or competency needed is very questionable. The bigger question is really whether we get people that are able to execute, have ideas, are big thinkers, good people managers, essentially effective C-suite people into the political world to end up with effective government. That holds true with your lust for a more technocratic approach as it does for the present system. Specialist knowledge makes you no more effective at running a government department.

Edited 19 September 2021 by Kopfkino

[doverfox]

On 15/09/2021 at 17:32, Sampson said:

I'll never understand why we claim to be a meritocracy but shuffle people round into extremely important positions on public finances, health, defence, education, diplomacy etc. based on politicking.

 

The idea how someone who has previously spent his or her career in foreign diplomacy can all of a sudden become the most powerful person and head of the entire nation's health sector, rather than someone who has specialist knowledge about health has always confused me.

 

Surely someone who's dedicated the last several years of their life to understanding the health or education sectors should be health or education secretary. Ditto, a person who's dedicated the last several years of their life to understanding diplomacy and international geopolitics should be foreign secretary.

 

But the way the system works in this country, especially under this current government, seems to be you take the most in vogue politicians then appoint them to random sectors of which they have no specialist knowledge for and are surely not the most qualified to understand.

 

At least Chancellor seems to be somewhat of an exception, as we at least tend to keep those for a long time and tend to appoint people with some kind of background in economics

Strange how could a guy that runs an off licence run a football club.

[StanSP]

Further incompetence revealed... 

Careless. 

 

 

[UpTheLeagueFox]

 

[RoboFox]

7 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

 

The energy industry is collapsing, there’s no food, supply chains are fvcked, taxes are rising, millions are about to be officially pushed below the poverty line, the NHS is underfunded and crippled with patient backlog and Brexit continues to make the UK the laughing stock of the world.

 

But hey, Starmer’s team have sent “three angry messages”. 
 

Fvck’s sake. 

[SecretPro]

28 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

The energy industry is collapsing, there’s no food, supply chains are fvcked, taxes are rising, millions are about to be officially pushed below the poverty line, the NHS is underfunded and crippled with patient backlog and Brexit continues to make the UK the laughing stock of the world.

 

But hey, Starmer’s team have sent “three angry messages”. 
 

Fvck’s sake. 

Spot on. 

[Footballwipe]

43 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

The energy industry is collapsing, there’s no food, supply chains are fvcked, taxes are rising, millions are about to be officially pushed below the poverty line, the NHS is underfunded and crippled with patient backlog and Brexit continues to make the UK the laughing stock of the world.

 

But hey, Starmer’s team have sent “three angry messages”. 
 

Fvck’s sake. 

Allegedly sent three angry messages as well. The Twitter way, lob out the accusation and let it just go round TORY TWITTER and CORBYN TWITTER to feed the narrative.

 

I hope the threat is reported to the appropriate authorities as well, and the people within Labour need to see this so they can take appropriate action. A cynic might suggest it's being used for political capital otherwise.

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, RoboFox said:

The energy industry is collapsing, there’s no food, supply chains are fvcked, taxes are rising, millions are about to be officially pushed below the poverty line, the NHS is underfunded and crippled with patient backlog and Brexit continues to make the UK the laughing stock of the world.

 

But hey, Starmer’s team have sent “three angry messages”. 
 

Fvck’s sake. 

I thought whataboutery wasn’t a valid form of defence anymore?

Edited 23 September 2021 by Strokes

[foxes1988]

57 minutes ago, Strokes said:

I thought whataboutery wasn’t a valid form of defence anymore?

I'm guessing you're just joking?  

 

I wouldn't describe that as whataboutery.  I mean the energy crisis/supply chain issues isn't being blamed on the Tory party generally they are just much more newsworthy issues at present.  @RoboFox is just putting this into context that this seems a bit of a none story surely.

 

I mean unless politicsforall give more details I cannot see how this worth thinking about.  I mean if the threat was something along the lines of 'if you do this again we wont disclose information to you again' its hardly shocking or even out of order.

Edited 23 September 2021 by foxes1988

[RoboFox]

3 minutes ago, foxes1988 said:

I'm guessing your just joking?  

 

I wouldn't describe that as whataboutery.  I mean the energy crisis/supply chain issues isn't being blamed on the Tory party generally they are just much more newsworthy issues at present.  @RoboFox is just putting this into context that this seems a bit of a none story surely.

 

I mean unless politicsforall give more details I cannot see how this worth thinking about.  I mean if the threat was something along the lines of 'if you do this again we wont disclose information to you again' its hardly shocking or even out of order.

Thanks. Saved me a reply. 

It's one of the most absurdly un-newsworthy things I've seen in quite some time. I had to double check to make sure it wasn't The Onion. 

 

And I found it slightly comical that @UpTheLeagueFox felt the need to share as part of his ongoing, almost obsessive endeavors to try and discredit Kier Starmer. 

[foxes1988]

3 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

Thanks. Saved me a reply. 

It's one of the most absurdly un-newsworthy things I've seen in quite some time. I had to double check to make sure it wasn't The Onion. 

 

And I found it slightly comical that @UpTheLeagueFox felt the need to share as part of his ongoing, almost obsessive endeavors to try and discredit Kier Starmer. 

I don't come on here all the time to be fair but even I'm aware of @UpTheLeagueFox and Starmer's war of words resulting in neither of them using the correct names for each other 

[What the Fuchs?]

12 minutes ago, foxes1988 said:

I'm guessing you're just joking?  

 

I wouldn't describe that as whataboutery.  I mean the energy crisis/supply chain issues isn't being blamed on the Tory party generally they are just much more newsworthy issues at present.  @RoboFox is just putting this into context that this seems a bit of a none story surely.

 

I mean unless politicsforall give more details I cannot see how this worth thinking about.  I mean if the threat was something along the lines of 'if you do this again we wont disclose information to you again' its hardly shocking or even out of order.

Not too sure about the energy crisis and who is to blame (though it is now the government’s responsibility to sort out), but supply chain issues it could be argued are certainly not being ameliorated by the Tories’ obstinate refusal to grant emergency visas to haulage workers to meet the current shortfall, which they were told would be a potential consequence of their shoddy and ill thought out Brexit deal. They won’t do anything to solve, probably blame France and that’ll get the gammons onside lol. My mental gymnast Tory family are now defending the empty shelves by saying “we had too much choice anyway” 😂

[foxes1988]

I'm sure there are things the Tories have done wrong and could do better etc. 

 

I just picked those two things because they're quite serious situations that tend to be happening for multitude of different reasons.  For example the supply chain issues especially regarding road haulage have been brewing for about 15/20 years.  Its just Covid, Brexit etc which have exasperated this issue even more.

Edited 23 September 2021 by foxes1988

[UpTheLeagueFox]

31 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

I found it slightly comical that @UpTheLeagueFox felt the need to share as part of his ongoing, almost obsessive endeavors to try and discredit Kier Starmer. 

 

23 minutes ago, foxes1988 said:

I don't come on here all the time to be fair but even I'm aware of @UpTheLeagueFox and Starmer's war of words resulting in neither of them using the correct names for each other 

On the contrary @RoboFox I think the Labour leader would've had absolutely nothing to do with the threats.

All political parties have comms teams / advisors which get involved in this nonsense, not the big chiefs at the very top.

What I don't understand is why they'd get so hot under the collar towards a twitter account when surely they'd want the leader's words being publicised, all seems rather daft and unnecessary. 

 

Although @foxes1988 is partly right. I did get a personal email from Starmer recently: "Dear Jiff Pittas, Fvckoff, sincerely Keith." 

[Hopefully the regulars here take this line in the lighthearted spirit which it's quite clearly intended.]

[RoboFox]

Also, where has De Pfeffel's conscience about the environment suddenly come from? Are people really willing to believe the man and take his so-called "green" credentials seriously? I know the COP26 has been in the pipeline for some time, but the big song and dance stinks of smokescreen. 

 

People have short memories, clearly. He's consistently voted against measures to prevent climate change, he's a shale gas fracking advocate and called critics "doom merchants," as Foreign Minister he oversaw a 60% cut in UK’s team of global climate officers from 165 to 65, he's declared thousands in donations from climate science sceptic ‘Global Warming Policy Foundation’, and the video that circulated of him citing nut-job climate-skeptic anti-vaxxer Piers Corbyn was downright embarrassing.

 

 

[Carl the Llama]

35 minutes ago, What the Fuchs? said:

Not too sure about the energy crisis and who is to blame (though it is now the government’s responsibility to sort out), but supply chain issues it could be argued are certainly not being ameliorated by the Tories’ obstinate refusal to grant emergency visas to haulage workers to meet the current shortfall, which they were told would be a potential consequence of their shoddy and ill thought out Brexit deal. They won’t do anything to solve, probably blame France and that’ll get the gammons onside lol. My mental gymnast Tory family are now defending the empty shelves by saying “we had too much choice anyway” 😂

And it was all too affordable by far.  2 flavours of crisp at a fiver a packet is the Britain we all want.

[Phil Bowman]

2 hours ago, Carl the Llama said:

And it was all too affordable by far.  2 flavours of crisp at a fiver a packet is the Britain we all want.

As long as those two flavours are gammon and sour grapes.

[Carl the Llama]

4 minutes ago, Phil Bowman said:

As long as those two flavours are gammon and sour grapes.

Both doused in liberal salt. 

[Milo]

3 hours ago, What the Fuchs? said:

Not too sure about the energy crisis and who is to blame (though it is now the government’s responsibility to sort out), but supply chain issues it could be argued are certainly not being ameliorated by the Tories’ obstinate refusal to grant emergency visas to haulage workers to meet the current shortfall, which they were told would be a potential consequence of their shoddy and ill thought out Brexit deal. They won’t do anything to solve, probably blame France and that’ll get the gammons onside lol. My mental gymnast Tory family are now defending the empty shelves by saying “we had too much choice anyway” 😂

But it’s not just the UK that don’t have any drivers, is it? 

[Carl the Llama]

4 minutes ago, Milo said:

But it’s not just the UK that don’t have any drivers, is it? 

The haulage crisis is spreading around the EU but it's hitting the UK harder than anyone else.  No prizes for guessing why that might be.

[Milo]

10 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

The haulage crisis is spreading around the EU but it's hitting the UK harder than anyone else.  No prizes for guessing why that might be.

Is it? 
 

Where’s that info from, mate? 
 

Not poking, genuinely interested. 

[Carl the Llama]

3 minutes ago, Milo said:

Is it? 
 

Where’s that info from, mate? 
 

Not poking, genuinely interested. 

https://www.ft.com/content/0c4f9876-1ec5-41e1-b774-4abd2b58dde9