Not The Politics Thread.

[Strokes]

53 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Go on, then - I'll bite.

 

Listen to the video and tell us how the context makes a difference.

 

 

A Conservative MP has been criticised for suggesting anyone using the term “white privilege” should be reported to the Home Office as an extremist.

The Independent has obtained a leaked recording in which Jonathan Gullis says anti-racism campaigners using the term should be referred to the government’s Prevent programme – which is meant to track down potential terrorists.

 

Mr Gullis, who made the comments in front of an invited audience of Tory activists at a late-night event last week, was branded “dangerously authoritarian” and urged to withdraw his remarks.

 

During a question time session on the fringes of his party’s conference Mr Gullis, who until recently sat on parliament’s education committee, also said Labour-supporting teachers that criticise the Tories should be sacked.

“The term white privilege – very quickly – is an extremist term, it should be reported to Prevent, because it is an extremist ideology,” he told the activists.

“It’s racist to actually suggest everyone who’s white somehow is riddled with privilege.”

The Home Office’s Prevent programme was set up to counter violent extremism and stop people from sympathising with terrorism – but it has been criticised for restricting freedom of expression and institutionalising anti-Muslim racism.

 

Mr Gullis, who was speaking at an event organised by the Conservative Friends of Education, added: “I hope [using the term white privilege] will be reported, I hope that will be looked into, and any teacher who’s perpetuated it in the classroom ultimately should face a disciplinary hearing at the very least.”

Speaking at the same event, the Stoke MP promised “consequences” for left-wing teachers, telling the audience: “The other way we can stop the cancel culture is by actually saying to the woke left lecturers and the woke left teachers – who seem to becoming more and more apparent – is that ultimately, what’s going to happen if you are going to push your ideology in the classroom, there are going to be consequences for you.”

 

 

He added: “For some reason if a Labour Party member wants to stand up in front of the classroom and say how bad and evil the Tories are, then the headteacher has to take some kind of sympathetic view to that. It’s absolutely disgusting, we need to start sacking people who are pushing their political ideology.”

 

Labour MP Dawn Butler told The Independent: “For a member of parliament and recent member of the Education Select Committee to show such ignorance is as shocking as it is dangerous.

 

“To insist that anyone using the term white privilege should be referred to the counterterrorism Prevent course is not only bizarre, it is dangerously authoritarian and from a dystopian philosophy.

“Jonathan Gullis must withdraw his comments immediately and apologise for his insensitive and frankly offensive remarks.”

White privilege is the idea that a person who is white benefits from inherent advantages in a society where racism exists.

The Independent understands that the concept of white privilege is not considered an indicator of extremism by Home Office officials, and would not be used as a threshold for intervention by the Prevent programme.

Mr Gullis is far from the first Conservative MP to make extreme remarks on the subject of anti-racism.

His MP colleague Tom Hunt previously claimed the Black Lives Matter movement wants to abolish the family, while attorney general Suella Braverman has referenced the “cultural Marxism” conspiracy theory.

I think he makes a very good point to be honest.l, even if a tad clumsily.

Peoples opinions being dismissed because of their colour or background is not something we should be celebrating or accepting on the way to an equal society. It creates further divisions and should be treated with contempt.

I’m not sure I agree with his resolution methods but I can’t disagree with the point.

Also if politics is to be taught or discussed in schools it should be impartial and left for those being taught to draw their own conclusions, we bemoan in this thread that people are sheep like and easily manipulated by media, so we should be teaching our children how to use their brains and the tools at their disposal to form an opinion based on facts.

Edited 10 October 2021 by Strokes

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Strokes said:

I think he makes a very good point to be honest.l, even if a tad clumsily.

Peoples opinions being dismissed because of their colour or background is not something we should be celebrating or accepting on the way to an equal society. It creates further divisions and should be treated with contempt.

I’m not sure I agree with his resolution methods but I can’t disagree with the point.

Also if politics is to be taught or discussed in schools it should be impartial and left for those being taught to draw their own conclusions, we bemoan in this thread that people are sheep like and easily manipulated by media, so we should be teaching our children how to use their brains and the tools at their disposal to form an opinion based on facts.

Unfortunately his resolution methods are a key part of what he's saying here.

[Strokes]

4 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Unfortunately his resolution methods are a key part of what he's saying here.

Sure, I think it’s an extreme suggestion and I have clarified that. This MP is a backbencher not in anyway a policy maker, so I think we can move on and discuss the rest?

[leicsmac]

11 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Sure, I think it’s an extreme suggestion and I have clarified that. This MP is a backbencher not in anyway a policy maker, so I think we can move on and discuss the rest?

Fair enough.

 

I think he's mostly being Don Quixote and tilting at windmills, but of course that's entirely subjective and not empirical.

[Strokes]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

Fair enough.

 

I think he's mostly being Don Quixote and tilting at windmills, but of course that's entirely subjective and not empirical.

I’m sorry I’m not familiar with Don or the analogy, I’ll just assume you are in agreement too.

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, Strokes said:

I’m sorry I’m not familiar with Don or the analogy, I’ll just assume you are in agreement too.

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/tilting-at-windmills.html

 

"To 'tilt at windmills' is to attack imaginary enemies."

 

(In this case, not totally an imaginary enemy, but one that is certainly less problematic than he believes.)

[Charl91]

Political ideology is a tricky one. What do they mean by teaching "woke left ideology"?

 

I teach KS1 children, so party politics doesn't tend to crop up. But because I try to teach them not to be back-stabbing arseholes that only look out for themselves, does that mean I'm pushing anti-conservative ideology? 

[bovril]

I love the notion that what's damaged Britain in the last few years is 'woke' ideology pushed by a left wing that hasn't been in power for over a decade. 

[Strokes]

2 minutes ago, Charl91 said:

Political ideology is a tricky one. What do they mean by teaching "woke left ideology"?

 

I teach KS1 children, so party politics doesn't tend to crop up. But because I try to teach them not to be back-stabbing arseholes that only look out for themselves, does that mean I'm pushing anti-conservative ideology? 

Yes and you should be sacked immediately. 

[Strokes]

3 minutes ago, bovril said:

I love the notion that what's damaged Britain in the last few years is 'woke' ideology pushed by a left wing that hasn't been in power for over a decade. 

Where has that been said?

[bovril]

12 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Where has that been said?

Just pick up a copy of the Telegraph or Spectator. 

[Corky]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

I love the notion that what's damaged Britain in the last few years is 'woke' ideology pushed by a left wing that hasn't been in power for over a decade. 

The "woke" brigade, who apparently are a bunch of sensitive little souls who get offended by anything and everything and cannot cope in the real world, seem to have a lot of sway and power.

[sdb]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

Just pick up a copy of the Telegraph or Spectator. 

Or The Mail or Express or twitter or Facebook. 

 

To be honest, anyone left supporting the tories now is absolutely ****ed in the head. There's literally nothing to be impressed with or proud of, unless you're one of their donors who's taking tax payers money to line your own pockets.

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

Just pick up a copy of the Telegraph or Spectator. 

I don’t read papers mate, they only manipulate people.

[FoxyPV]

2 hours ago, Corky said:

The "woke" brigade, who apparently are a bunch of sensitive little souls who get offended by anything and everything and cannot cope in the real world, seem to have a lot of sway and power.

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Loads.

 

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[Heathrow fox]

6 hours ago, bovril said:

I love the notion that what's damaged Britain in the last few years is 'woke' ideology pushed by a left wing that hasn't been in power for over a decade. 

You obviously don’t watch a lot of tv or listen to the radio then.You don’t have to be in government to push an ideology.

[leicsmac]

6 hours ago, Corky said:

The "woke" brigade, who apparently are a bunch of sensitive little souls who get offended by anything and everything and cannot cope in the real world, seem to have a lot of sway and power.

Schrodingers Leftie.

 

1 hour ago, Heathrow fox said:

You obviously don’t watch a lot of tv or listen to the radio then.You don’t have to be in government to push an ideology.

Even if this is true, you do still have to be in government (or directly linked to them, like Murdoch, for instance) for that ideology to actually mean something in terms of exerting actual power over people, which is what really matters. State policy is the way that happens, most of the rest is just noise.

Edited 11 October 2021 by leicsmac

[Strokes]

5 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Schrodingers Leftie.

 

Even if this is true, you do still have to be in government (or directly linked to them, like Murdoch, for instance) for that ideology to actually mean something in terms of exerting actual power over people, which is what really matters. State policy is the way that happens, most of the rest is just noise.

Not really, UKIP were just a small lone voice calling for us to leave the EU. They ended up gaining enough support to put pressure on the government and the rest is history. If they had been taken seriously at the start and debated away properly using all them facts by you much clever remainers, Surely we might never have needed a referendum? Or do you think it was inevitable?

[leicsmac]

21 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Not really, UKIP were just a small lone voice calling for us to leave the EU. They ended up gaining enough support to put pressure on the government and the rest is history. If they had been taken seriously at the start and debated away properly using all them facts by you much clever remainers, Surely we might never have needed a referendum? Or do you think it was inevitable?

AFAIC UKIP were directly linked to government via the agreement that Cameron made with them that then led to the referendum, so they fall under one of the conditions I stated.

 

As for the second sentence, goodness only knows what it would have taken to address the Euroscepticism in a way that didn't lead to the referendum - personally I have no idea. It's air through the engine now in any case, I'd much rather deal with the future now and IMO there are many more pressing concerns there.

[Voll Blau]

Edit: Wrong thread.

Edited 11 October 2021 by Voll Blau

[LiberalFox]

20 hours ago, Charl91 said:

Political ideology is a tricky one. What do they mean by teaching "woke left ideology"?

 

I teach KS1 children, so party politics doesn't tend to crop up. But because I try to teach them not to be back-stabbing arseholes that only look out for themselves, does that mean I'm pushing anti-conservative ideology? 

Teach them that in capitalism man exploits man and that in socialism it is the other way around. 

[FoxyPV]

It means teaching them not to tolerate racism, homophobia, sexism etc and not be a ****.

 

[Alf Bentley]

27 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

Teach them that in capitalism man exploits man and that in socialism it is the other way around. 

 

.....and in liberalism man stands back and watches as man exploits man, perhaps even benefiting from it on the sly. 

[Dunge]

41 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

Teach them that in capitalism man exploits man and that in socialism it is the other way around. 

Or woman. Or any other gender come to that.

I’m shocked at this misogyny from a self-proclaimed liberal. Shocked.

[Buce]

20 minutes ago, Dunge said:

Or woman. Or any other gender come to that.

I’m shocked at this misogyny from a self-proclaimed liberal. Shocked.

 

I think he was referring to Mankind.