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Not The Politics Thread.

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Nalis

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As I feared when news broke, it didnt take long for some to use this as a political football - same with the Jo Cox murder and now we have the comparison in coverage.

 

Pathetic from a very small section of both sides of the political spectrum really.

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ClaphamFox

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10 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

What a piece of work tweeting this and then defending it in follow up tweets.

There is a time and place to discuss the toxicity of politics but not immediately after this.

 

 

Unfortunately Femi is a gobshite of the highest order. He's known for it.

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Parafox

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24 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Sir David Amess, 69, MP for Leigh-on-Sea, stabbed to death at a constituency surgery

 

https://www.ft.com/content/ae79e0a8-2233-4334-8e76-5d1642c9a82a

 

9 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I really, really wish the nationality, race and religion of these people wasn’t disclosed so soon after an incident like this. 

Already the anti-terrorist police are involved. 

 

Ah, didn't see the earlier posts on this. I'm clearly seeing the news later than most...

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bovril

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2 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

What a piece of work tweeting this and then defending it in follow up tweets.

There is a time and place to discuss the toxicity of politics but not immediately after this.

 

 

genuine question - why did you post this?

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Fightforever

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If there was ever a time where chosing a political side was picking your poison its now.

 

The level of division is on the levels of religious conflict at this point.

 

15 years ago I would have been considered a leftist bordering far left. Now the overton window has expanded so much I am barely center left now despite having not changed almost any of my beliefs.

 

Both sides have gone very radical not talking about the parties themselves necessarily but the people that support the parties most certainly.

 

Tories changing election laws so they can call one at any time they see fit and more or less banning protest, being openly courrpt, and refusing to allow enough migrants to drive out lorries even when its grinding our nation to a halt purely due to ideological devotion rather than being practical. Thats without talking about the cluster**** that brexit was.

 

While most leftists want co-operative socialism (where companies have to be split between each worker rather than privately owned by shareholders) and want people to be able to transition genders before 16 without parental approval. The fringes of the left even want species dysphoria, bestiality and even pedophilla to be part of LGBT. Also having more or less ditched the right to free speech when 15 years ago the left would have defended it with their lives. No concidence this postition change in paticular has contributed to the spike in political violence on both sides.

 

Its safe to say radicalism has ravaged both sides. Radicalism being normalised has now sadly cost the lives of democratically elected members of parliment. When both sides start to dismantle the institutions and principals that keep a liberal democracy functioning it crumbles. I don't see this getting any better.

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Adrian

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What you describe 'fightforever' sounds to me like popular leftist views against institutional conservative ...stuff/values call It what you want 

 

The former is more human and that's why I reject it..rightly or wrongly . We are inherently selfish..look at the amount of virtue signalling on this thread alone 

 

I'll take my chances with a system of random selection over the so-called  moral majority 

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1 hour ago, Adrian said:

What you describe 'fightforever' sounds to me like popular leftist views against institutional conservative ...stuff/values call It what you want 

 

The former is more human and that's why I reject it..rightly or wrongly . We are inherently selfish..look at the amount of virtue signalling on this thread alone 

 

I'll take my chances with a system of random selection over the so-called  moral majority 

FWIW it's not just more morally square to be altruistic.

 

Humanity being a bit more selfless and helping each other more will make civilisation exist longer, too - so there's a practical application, unless one is a nihilist.

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Fightforever

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6 hours ago, Adrian said:

What you describe 'fightforever' sounds to me like popular leftist views against institutional conservative ...stuff/values call It what you want 

 

The former is more human and that's why I reject it..rightly or wrongly . We are inherently selfish..look at the amount of virtue signalling on this thread alone 

 

I'll take my chances with a system of random selection over the so-called  moral majority 

Institutional conservatives I wouldn't even call it that at this point rather just blatant corruption and a disdain for the ordinary man. Appealing to the fact that they don't like the social values of the current left and will press that extremely hard. While having the tabloids and facebook on your side to quell anyone with sense.

 

As for the left. It's gone so far left that if the fringe takes over like the fringe did 15 years ago then the left will be almost as indefensible as the alt right which is my main worry. The amount of chairman Mao apolgists which are tolerated in the leftist community is extremely worrying (the same way how the co-op socialists were tolerated 15 years ago) and most more moderate leftists seem to handwave the fact that their own movement is sliding down the path to radicalism. I even hear popular leftist figures with just under half a million followers in support of re education camps for right wingers which is just insane.

 

The current left in my opinion is better than the alternative but if it goes any more extreme I will actually have to start asking big questions internally.

 

The ditching of free speech as one of their core values is what worries me free speech is important since if you can disscuss ideas freely and debate the moderates and even the right then it keeps the left from staying in a bubble and sliding into radicalism.

 

What will really seperate them from the communists in the cold war period China and Russia when they start to dismantle the core principals of liberalism considering the fact that the Maoists types start gaining a foothold. Which if you follow the trend of the left going futher and futher down the shitter isn't too far away.

 

If you truly believe that someone does not have the right to say something then it is not too much of a strech to imagine people deciding to take justice into their own hands.

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doverfox

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The sad thing about both deaths is that lazy MPs will use it as a reason not to talk to the great unwashed electorate between votes. A stab in the heart of democracy.  The whole reason about having first past the post rather than PR is that we have a "local" representative that regardless of if you voted for them or not was there to take up concerns on your behalf. 

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My biggest fear is that this will be used to further justify anti immigration policies as the media has already highlighted Somali origins / descendents.

 

There was little to no crackdown on the far right post Jo Cox's murder.

 

This was a senseless act.

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WigstonWanderer

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On 14/10/2021 at 14:14, Buce said:

 

 

Perth is easily the cleanest city I've ever been to - no litter, no graffiti, no street beggars; it's definitely a much better environment to bring up your kids.

 

Incidentally, an Aussie mate linked me to this the other day, which may be of interest to you and @WigstonWanderer; @ozleicester

 

 

 

Not all good though, unfortunately 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/17/dying-on-the-streets-at-least-44-homeless-people-have-died-in-perth-this-year

 

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