Not The Politics Thread.

[Voll Blau]

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22 Conservative MPs who voted for to overhaul Parliament's standards processes have been investigated by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards, research by Insider has found.

Majority: 18. Arf.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/22-tory-mps-probed-parliament-watchdog-vote-to-overhaul-it-2021-11?r=US&IR=T

[Corky]

1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

What a shower if ***** they are. They explained on Newsnight last night that by taking away the power of the Parliamentary Commissioner - who also happens to be investigating Johnson - that it will derail all existing investigations.

 

I doubt the opposition will support whatever new mechanism they are proposing. Kwasi Kwarteng said on the radio that they want a cross parliamentary committee - but that’s what we have at the moment… total and utter subversion of probity in public life and reshaping of rules to save your own skin. And Johnson had to engineer this so the heat will more or less be at one of his other corrupt chums else’s door -

coward. 
 

This has got to be worse than the Tory sleaze of the 90s?

They want a cross party committee that finds different outcomes, that's all.

 

There is no point setting up a new one if you can just vote to stop any decision you don't like.

[HighPeakFox]

Don't get excited about the Mail and their front page - it's so they can use it later to show how balanced they are, when they come out with their next appalling, hateful bilge.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

11 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Don't get excited about the Mail and their front page - it's so they can use it later to show how balanced they are, when they come out with their next appalling, hateful bilge.

News just in…

 

 

[What the Fuchs?]

45 minutes ago, blabyboy said:

2 strange things for me.

I fail to see why Paterson's verdict should be reduced for personal reasons (his wife died fairly recently) when the bribery has been ongoing for some time.

 

Second, why did the Speaker allow the amendment to be carried on and voted on? He could have rejected it.

 

All very odd

It was disgusting to see the stomach churning Rees Mogg stand there and use the death of Paterson’s wife to exonerate him of corruption, that he and the majority of the Tories were essentially blaming Kathryn Stone and the committee of public standards for her death, and not the shameful and corrupt actions of her husband. The Conservative Party has sunk to lows that even I didn’t know they were capable of. I feel sick to the stomach. Previous corruption and cronyism has left me feeling angry and exasperated that so many people were letting them get away with it. Now they have become so emboldened by apathy towards their attacks on democracy and standards of public life they are prepared to act in this way in public with the assumption that people don’t care. One rule for the Conservative Party, another for everyone else, this has been going on for a long time, only this time their hubris has lead them to bite off more than they can chew. The way they continue to rub our noses in it with lie after lie after lie leads me to believe - and hope - that this is some kind of turning point when the British public can gain some self respect and kick out these parasites. Because that’s all they are, enriching themselves and their donors - that’s all they know how to do. Their hypocrisy and sheer brazenness reminds me of the Republicans under Trump. Shameful and skin crawling.

[SecretPro]

Imagine voting for these c*nts? What an absolute cretin you would have to be...

[HighPeakFox]

Just now, SecretPro said:

Imagine voting for these c*nts? What an absolute cretin you would have to be...

Don't get a ban fella - much as I empathise.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

3 minutes ago, What the Fuchs? said:

It was disgusting to see the stomach churning Rees Mogg stand there and use the death of Paterson’s wife to exonerate him of corruption, that he and the majority of the Tories were essentially blaming Kathryn Stone and the committee of public standards for her death, and not the shameful and corrupt actions of her husband. The Conservative Party has sunk to lows that even I didn’t know they were capable of. I feel sick to the stomach. Previous corruption and cronyism has left me feeling angry and exasperated that so many people were letting them get away with it. Now they have become so emboldened by apathy towards their attacks on democracy and standards of public life they are prepared to act in this way in public with the assumption that people don’t care. One rule for the Conservative Party, another for everyone else, this has been going on for a long time, only this time their hubris has lead them to bite off more than they can chew. The way they continue to rub our noses in it with lie after lie after lie leads me to believe - and hope - that this is some kind of turning point when the British public can gain some self respect and kick out these parasites. Because that’s all they are, enriching themselves and their donors - that’s all they know how to do. Their hypocrisy and sheer brazenness reminds me of the Republicans under Trump. Shameful and skin crawling.

Great post - but equally how apathetic are a lot of the public? Who either don’t know, aren’t informed or don’t care because they themselves are out to pursue our self interest? It’s really worrying.

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

What a shower if ***** they are. They explained on Newsnight last night that by taking away the power of the Parliamentary Commissioner - who also happens to be investigating Johnson - that it will derail all existing investigations.

 

I doubt the opposition will support whatever new mechanism they are proposing. Kwasi Kwarteng said on the radio that they want a cross parliamentary committee - but that’s what we have at the moment… total and utter subversion of probity in public life and reshaping of rules to save your own skin. And Johnson had to engineer this so the heat will more or less be at one of his other corrupt chums else’s door -

coward. 
 

This has got to be worse than the Tory sleaze of the 90s?

As I suspect there’s a bigger play here. The Tories have no real reason to stand by Paterson, other than the above. My gut has always been there’s something festering behind this government which is a story that will shatter them. It’s one of the reasons Cummings left. The way they stand by a number of MPs in wrongdoing rather than taking it on the chin and abide by a suspension or deselection. 

[CosbehFox]

4 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Great post - but equally how apathetic are a lot of the public? Who either don’t know, aren’t informed or don’t care because they themselves are out to pursue our self interest? It’s really worrying.

Agree on the public. 
 

I have some sympathy with the opposition here - Labour have said what needs to be said but such is the power of the media and how closely they are linked to the Tory party currently, their comments simply won’t have the platform. 
 

One of Blair’s greatest tricks was getting the media on his side for right or wrong 

[What the Fuchs?]

1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

What a shower if ***** they are. They explained on Newsnight last night that by taking away the power of the Parliamentary Commissioner - who also happens to be investigating Johnson - that it will derail all existing investigations.

 

I doubt the opposition will support whatever new mechanism they are proposing. Kwasi Kwarteng said on the radio that they want a cross parliamentary committee - but that’s what we have at the moment… total and utter subversion of probity in public life and reshaping of rules to save your own skin. And Johnson had to engineer this so the heat will more or less be at one of his other corrupt chums else’s door -

coward. 
 

This has got to be worse than the Tory sleaze of the 90s?

I think this is the motive for this, this scandal has less to do with Owen Paterson than it does with the fact that many more Tory MPs engage in similar corruption, on the boards of fossil fuel companies and the like. Johnson has faced and is facing probes into his accepting of gifts, Tory MPs such as Matt Hancock buying shares in companies before giving them hundreds of millions of pounds in untendered contracts, billions being handed out to their mates in similar circumstances, ministers like Robert Jenrick doing backroom deals with billionaire Tory donors and giving them special treatment, pork barrel politics blackmailing constituents with withholding of funding if they didn’t vote conservative, misuse of public money on planes, yachts and the likes of Jennifer Arcuri being normalised, the Pandora papers and their links to a clique of billionaires essentially running the Tory party…the list goes on. Johnson is trying insulate himself and the government from being held accountable for corruption and cronyism by an independent body, because he knows if he can create his own he will get off scot free. This is a pattern of behaviour of the modern Tory party as we’ve seen with judicial reviews, parliamentary scrutiny, media scrutiny, the electoral commission, academia, environmental standards and so on: if something is providing checks and balances stopping them from acting with complete impunity, they just get rid of it and replace it with a new system run by themselves to protect their private interests. We are really sliding into a tinpot dictatorship. At least we now can all see in the cold light of day what “taking back control” really meant!

[CosbehFox]

A Polish journalist perfectly put it to say London is now in a very close comparison to Warsaw and Budapest when it comes to governments closing all the possible holes for investigation in corruption. 

[Mike Oxlong]

With the lack of integrity and accountability now permeating British politics here’s a couple of suggestions for a redesign of our flag 

 

 

 

 

[bovril]

Always interesting how people see the Conservatives as a patriotic party when they clearly have total contempt for the country and most of the people in it. 

[What the Fuchs?]

3 minutes ago, bovril said:

Always interesting how people see the Conservatives as a patriotic party when they clearly have total contempt for the country and most of the people in it. 

A bit like how they persist in calling themselves the ‘Conservative and Unionist Party’ when they are the driving force propelling independence movements in Scotland and Northern Ireland, and polls suggest that a large percentage of their membership and voters couldn’t care less if Scotland leave the union 

Edited 4 November 2021 by What the Fuchs?

[HighPeakFox]

My own personal opinion is that using the word 'Conservative' should be challenged - the only thing that cabal seeks to conserve is its own money and power.

[RoboFox]

Why is anyone surprised? 

 

About time someone posted a tweet showing how the Tories are still surging ahead in the polls.

 

The turkeys will continue to vote for Christmas. This country is fvcked. 

[Zear0]

The climbdown happening quicker than anticipated.  So quick in fact that the odious Kwasi Kwarteng was trotting out a lamentable defence of yesterday whilst Rees-Mogg was in parliament making a u-turn (obviously not a u-turn).

[UpTheLeagueFox]

9 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

About time someone posted a tweet showing how the Tories are still surging ahead in the polls.

They've marginally increased their lead in the last three polls but I've never really paid much attention to them 

[Bellend Sebastian]

8 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

The climbdown happening quicker than anticipated.  So quick in fact that the odious Kwasi Kwarteng was trotting out a lamentable defence of yesterday whilst Rees-Mogg was in parliament making a u-turn (obviously not a u-turn).

Focus group says no.  Perhaps we are reaching the limits of what they can get away with? This is about as popular as flushing turds into rivers was

[Zear0]

Just now, Bellend Sebastian said:

Focus group says no.  Perhaps we are reaching the limits of what they can get away with? This is about as popular as flushing turds into rivers was

Just a shame that the focus group in this case is the entire country bar a few of the most hardcore Conservative apologists.

[Dunge]

I’ve always quite liked the phrase “Integrity starts when you wake up in the morning, not after you’ve been caught.”

[RoboFox]

1 hour ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Perhaps we are reaching the limits of what they can get away with? 

It doesn't even matter anymore. The story will just fade away only to be replaced by another repugnant corruption, morally bankrupt decision, or straight up failure by the government.

 

And just like the hundreds of instances that have come before it, voters will be totally apathetic towards it. 

 

Edited 4 November 2021 by RoboFox

[bovril]

People are so apathetic at the moment, so happy to accept mediocrity. Even the vaccine drive stalled after a great start, Brexit is "not that bad". Not sure if the population don't realise how poorly some people live here or if they don't care.

[CosbehFox]

Would like to mention 20,000 people have crossed the channe this year. So even if your political view is to the right, they are doing a thoroughly shit job there too