HighPeakFox Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 It is heartening to see good debate about this - and I will say clearly that the title win was completely and utterly deserved, just bloody unlikely at the outset. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, volpeazzurro said: I personally am not calling for him to be sacked because if one thing, I'm a realist and don't see anyone better out there available to replace him mid season. Also, yes, January time will tell us quite a bit more. I would be absolutely surprised and bewildered if our squad of talented players can't pick up a few wins before then with or without Rodgers. However, long term, if he doesn't alter/adjust his apparent obsession with the overly cautious possession before everything football with our current squad of players, then I don't see him being successful or popular. This would be a shame because aside of that he's got some great attributes. He also needs to take a look at his coaching staff. I certainly wouldn't want to see a summer where he and possibly Congerton had much say in recruitment because I would suggest our record has been far better than there's. Neither would I want to see recruitment for the servicing of Rodgers footballing philosophy as time has moved on. If he can't make a good fist of it with this current crop of players and play round pegs in round holes, I would suggest he's nowhere near as talented as the media love in promotes him to be. Nail on head. And i’m not sure many are calling for him to be sacked, I think we appreciate and are thankful for our achievements, however, am I frustrated and sick to death of keep ball with no purpose, am I asking for him to be flexible, change things based on how games are going or teams were coming up against, absolutely. People need to realised your can be appreciative, grateful and thankful but also allowed to voice opinions over a period of time without being called entitled. At this moment based on the last calendar year, and the 2nd half season of his first full season would I be sad to see him go when it inevitably happens, not particularly, would I be worried about who we replace him with, yes (which is why I was asking the questions I asked the other day regarding the similar opinions of the Puel in/out argument of which no one seemed to answer), mainly because it seems to be a direction within the club to play this way and it’ll probably be more of the same, the sooner there is a change within football the better. Edited 11 November 2021 by Matt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzy_Larsson Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 Seen on the BBC gossip section this morning there are rumours that Rodgers has a release clause should a Champions League club come in for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StriderHiryu Posted 11 November 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 11 November 2021 2 hours ago, Ric Flair said: I still scratch my head with it all haha. It can't be put down as a fluke as you don't do what we did over 38 games and be completely oblivious to the magnitude of what was happening or the pressure. But it also baffles me just how bad we were the following season but perhaps that adds to the beauty and equally perplexes and irks the powerhouses around us who managed to get taken apart by us the season before. It was the perfect storm, we evidently recruited obscenely well and we had the most finely balanced XI I think the PL has ever witnessed. Defensively colossal, a midfield duo that left most opposition in places they didn't want to be and then an attacking duo of Mahrez and Vardy that couldn't be contained. It was massively about momentum and seige mentality and history suggests that the underdog succumbs to pressure eventually, but we didn't give a flying fcuk. I put that down to the chalk and cheese approach of Pearson and then Ranieri and the constant of Craig Shakespeare and Steve Walsh. It just took us to a place that nobody thought possible and then we just stepped it up level after level and were relentless. Ranieri handled it all remarkably, I often try to plant my flag in situations where success or failure happen in football and was it the players who ultimately prosper or flop in those crunch moments or the manager. I think the manager takes the ultimate outcome because quite often their decisions in games are enough to be the difference between success or failure and Ranieri was faultless down the stretch, absolutely god earthly perfect. A machine of a man with the heart of a loveable Grandpa. So bollocks was it a fluke or a freak, it was the single biggest sporting achievement that has ever happened in the modern era, if not sporting history. IMO that 15/16 team had arguably the best synergy of any team to have won the title. That doesn't mean they were the overall best team, but rather that the sum of the parts added up to so much more than the quality of the individuals. That team overperformed in every key metric. The entire team was geared around it's strengths so that the many weaknesses we had didn't matter. Huth and Morgan dominant in the air, but were slow, so we played a deep block. Mahrez an outstanding attacking player, but lacked defensive aspects, so Simpson is there to sit so Mahrez has more licence to roam. Okazaki a workhorse but lacking overall quality, so does the dirty work so Vardy and Mahrez can start, etc, etc. That Leicester team was the best counter attacking team I've ever seen since I've started watching football and Ranieri deserves so much respect for getting the team to work that way. I honestly can't think of another team in Premier League history that had so much synergy that through coaching and tactics they were so much better than the sum of their parts. Maybe Rodgers own Swansea team that Laudrup then went onto win the league cup with, Moyes Everton that got top 4, Poch's Southampton? MON's Leicester? But all of these sides came nowhere close to how good 15/16 Leicester were. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 5 hours ago, Webbo said: Not 1 person on here seriously thought we'd win the league at the start of that season, most of us were more worried about staying up. To read some the stuff on here you'd think we all knew it was obvious. So major rewriting of history on here. .. 5000/1 was a ridiculous price!!! After the end of the previous season it made absolutely no sense to have us at such a long price. The mere fact that some people actually took up the option of the bet is fair play to them. No one expected it to happen and perhaps to some degree it come happen again, but I suspect it won't be us...we have already hit the jackpot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzy_Larsson Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 10 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: .. 5000/1 was a ridiculous price!!! After the end of the previous season it made absolutely no sense to have us at such a long price. The mere fact that some people actually took up the option of the bet is fair play to them. No one expected it to happen and perhaps to some degree it come happen again, but I suspect it won't be us...we have already hit the jackpot. The way the big clubs are trying to carve things up even further for themselves I don't see the remote chance of it ever happening again, for any provincial club unfortunately. Leicester winning the league captured the imagination of fans throughout the world but I think it rocked the elite clubs and served as a warning as something they want to avoid happening again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 12 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: .. 5000/1 was a ridiculous price!!! After the end of the previous season it made absolutely no sense to have us at such a long price. The mere fact that some people actually took up the option of the bet is fair play to them. No one expected it to happen and perhaps to some degree it come happen again, but I suspect it won't be us...we have already hit the jackpot. We were at a long price to encourage people to place a bet on it. That's how bookies work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 17 minutes ago, Webbo said: We were at a long price to encourage people to place a bet on it. That's how bookies work. .. why would you..!!! How many people do you think saw that price and said it is worth a go. Imagine if the price was 250/1 they would have had more punters throwing their money at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 47 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: IMO that 15/16 team had arguably the best synergy of any team to have won the title. That doesn't mean they were the overall best team, but rather that the sum of the parts added up to so much more than the quality of the individuals. That team overperformed in every key metric. The entire team was geared around it's strengths so that the many weaknesses we had didn't matter. Huth and Morgan dominant in the air, but were slow, so we played a deep block. Mahrez an outstanding attacking player, but lacked defensive aspects, so Simpson is there to sit so Mahrez has more licence to roam. Okazaki a workhorse but lacking overall quality, so does the dirty work so Vardy and Mahrez can start, etc, etc. That Leicester team was the best counter attacking team I've ever seen since I've started watching football and Ranieri deserves so much respect for getting the team to work that way. I honestly can't think of another team in Premier League history that had so much synergy that through coaching and tactics they were so much better than the sum of their parts. Maybe Rodgers own Swansea team that Laudrup then went onto win the league cup with, Moyes Everton that got top 4, Poch's Southampton? MON's Leicester? But all of these sides came nowhere close to how good 15/16 Leicester were. Ipswich, 5th in 2000/01. Lost out thanks to a poor loss at Charlton. Teams above them were prime Man U, Wenger Arsenal, Liverpool and a very decent Leeds team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeg67 Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 52 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: IMO that 15/16 team had arguably the best synergy of any team to have won the title. That doesn't mean they were the overall best team, but rather that the sum of the parts added up to so much more than the quality of the individuals. That team overperformed in every key metric. The entire team was geared around it's strengths so that the many weaknesses we had didn't matter. Huth and Morgan dominant in the air, but were slow, so we played a deep block. Mahrez an outstanding attacking player, but lacked defensive aspects, so Simpson is there to sit so Mahrez has more licence to roam. Okazaki a workhorse but lacking overall quality, so does the dirty work so Vardy and Mahrez can start, etc, etc. That Leicester team was the best counter attacking team I've ever seen since I've started watching football and Ranieri deserves so much respect for getting the team to work that way. I honestly can't think of another team in Premier League history that had so much synergy that through coaching and tactics they were so much better than the sum of their parts. Maybe Rodgers own Swansea team that Laudrup then went onto win the league cup with, Moyes Everton that got top 4, Poch's Southampton? MON's Leicester? But all of these sides came nowhere close to how good 15/16 Leicester were. People don't give Ranieri enough credit for pulling that miracle off. He was the perfect manager in the perfect place at the perfect time, and nothing that happened afterwards changes that. I seriously don't know if that could have happened under any other coach. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joefox Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 I expect him to leave if Man U want him. I think he’s probably took us as far as he can anyway. And it wouldn’t surprise me if he rocks up there and it goes pear shaped pretty swiftly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriderHiryu Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 9 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Ipswich, 5th in 2000/01. Lost out thanks to a poor loss at Charlton. Teams above them were prime Man U, Wenger Arsenal, Liverpool and a very decent Leeds team. Great shout that! Sunderland with Phillips and Quinn also really outperformed expectations massively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 19 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: .. why would you..!!! How many people do you think saw that price and said it is worth a go. Imagine if the price was 250/1 they would have had more punters throwing their money at it. 250-1 that sounds like they might win. Against 5000-1 that's worth a silly quid. It's no different to horse racing, the odds are set by the punters. The horse with the most money on it has the shortest odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitlock Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 It would be interesting to see what Rodgers does if he goes there. It would be a different kettle of fish completly that he would have ever been involved with before, the egos, the mess they're currently in, expectations of fans. It could end up going a bit pear shaped, pretty much the same way its gone for all the managers' post Fergie. I dont want him to go personally, its nice to have some longevity with a manager which i think helps the club grow. I wouldn't know who or where we might look if he does end up moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 1 hour ago, Muzzy_Larsson said: Seen on the BBC gossip section this morning there are rumours that Rodgers has a release clause should a Champions League club come in for him. Yeah rumours it was 20m plus I've heard previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox 4 Life Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 My bigger concern than losing him is the subsequent approaches for Fofana, Ndidi, Tielemans etc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlee Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Muzzy_Larsson said: Seen on the BBC gossip section this morning there are rumours that Rodgers has a release clause should a Champions League club come in for him. this one then..BR will do what is best for BR Edited 11 November 2021 by erlee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 18 hours ago, Guest454545 said: MON never had you higher than 8th though. Pearson may have got you promoted, but he also nearly got you relegated immediately. So far, Rodgers has you in two 5th place positions with his two full seasons. And you're not far off another 5th place finish with over two thirds of the season still to go. I'd carry Brendan back to Glasgow meself if I thought we could get him back. He's doing the business for you. I don't understand why so many here are trying to pick holes in his record. There is a strong correlation between wage expenditure and table position. This season you have the 9th highest wage outgoings. The top four clubs (City, Liverpool, Chelsea, United) blow everyone else away, with Arsenal and Spurs the next level down. I'm sure your disappointed with some recent results and performances, but overall, he's doing a bang up job Need to be fair. Pearson managed us first season after promotion, worse squad on paper, target of survival. MON was not managing under billionaire owners and largely reliant on signing lower league players. I always think of this when a discussion is raised who is the best manager. It is a bit like saying pep winning the title is better than howe keeping bournemouth in the football league. On paper it is, but different challenges to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxyLeon Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 I hope those who are backing him here don't embarrass themselves and turn on him when he leaves. If he's the greatest manager in the World, like you guys are claiming, he doesn't belong here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxyLeon Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 1 minute ago, Fox 4 Life said: My bigger concern than losing him is the subsequent approaches for Fofana, Ndidi, Tielemans etc Well....Rodgers is the reason for me we're losing Tielemans anyway. As for the other two, not sure United will spend the £100 million we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 Our beloved internet seems awash with talk of Brendan to Utd. But then it is awash with tits as well. Not wishing to be one of the knockers, but I find these relentless articles, like our more mainstream media, completely lacking in honesty. IF Utd come in for him he goes - it’s that simple. Anyone would frankly, apart from perhaps Klopp and Peppa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NasPb Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 (edited) If pearson had the job now, where'd we finish? I think at max 7-10. He's underrated in general. Switched to 3 at the back before it was cool in 2015 Edited 11 November 2021 by NasPb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John rayner Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 4 minutes ago, ARM1968 said: Our beloved internet seems awash with talk of Brendan to Utd. But then it is awash with tits as well. Not wishing to be one of the knockers, but I find these relentless articles, like our more mainstream media, completely lacking in honesty. IF Utd come in for him he goes - it’s that simple. Anyone would frankly, apart from perhaps Klopp and Peppa. Tell me why he would go ,BR has the backing of the owners at City, and he is rebuilding the squad ,big loss if he goes to united, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 If Pearson hadn't managed us and we needed a new manager would anyone suggest we hire the manager of the team 19th in the championship? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 11 November 2021 Share Posted 11 November 2021 10 minutes ago, NasPb said: If pearson had the job now, where'd we finish? I think at max 7-10. He's underrated in general. Switched to 3 at the back before it was cool in 2015 Playing 3 at the back was very popular in NP’s playing days. It seemed the most popular formation in the early 1990s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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