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don_danbury

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1 hour ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

I'm not talking rubbish at all. You're obviously one of the entitled recent fan base who did t have to put up with Peter Canero or Nicky Mohan. We are currently in the best years of our 130 plus year history and people are moaning. It's pathetic. Let's all hound Rodgers out i bet any money the next manager will not do a better job.

i don't agree with that we were once a crap side so we should be grateful nonsense tbh. in his own words he said he came to disrupt the top 6. he just about did that by finishing 5th and that could've easily been 7th if the season had 2 more games. overall he has done a good job but he's definitely not overachieved, and he's definitely underachieving this season. 

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On 23/01/2022 at 19:29, Finnaldo said:

Man’s got some gall blaming injuries having dismissed Rennie, I’ve heard talk of his training being far too intensive too yet nothing has changed. It’s never been this bad up until he started putting his feet under the table in regards to physio and conditioning.

There is no coincidence here. With Rennie we had one of the most consistent teams in the league in terms of low injury numbers and consistent player availability. The moment BR came in, it went to shit, Rennie took the blame and got sacked, and since he left it's gone from bad to worse. Absolute joke of a deicision. 

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On 23/01/2022 at 20:23, Ric Flair said:

One thing we must consider is that this squad has come close to top 4 on two occasions so we know its there of sorts. What we can't guarantee is that it will still be achievable if he's allowed to freshen up the squad, fails and then a new regime comes in and the downward spiral continues.

 

It would be costly to get rid of him and its a shame we couldn't come to a mutual agreement for him to go elsewhere but whilst this squad still has the muscle memory of how to challenge the top 4/6 then changing managers might be a shrewd call. Otherwise we're just waiting and hoping it doesn't get that bad that when the change comes, its too late and we've lost momentum like we've seen several teams do of our ilk in the PL over the years.

 

Would be a huge decision to take but his not earning that £9m a year right now, not by a long stretch. 

I agree with this by and large. 
 

Despite a horrific injury list and stop starts we are still mid table with games in hand. He won’t get every decision right particularly in game. He has found new ways to win games when most on here doubted him. Even those infuriating losses at the latter stages we must remember we put ourselves in with a chance of winning. Look at Justin coming back and the difference it makes when we get our best defenders back. I’m not blindly a fan of rogers. I’ve never really warmed to him in the way I did say with Pearson O’Neill bloomfield ranieri etc but we still have that team and set up capable of challenging so recently in place l. I definitely wouldn’t go changing now but wait and see how the next few months pan out. Changing now has limited upside but bigger potential downside IMO. 
 

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and to voice this though. 

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3 minutes ago, Fox in the North said:

Noticed a good quote from a book I was reading last night: 

 

“Do you know what leadership means, Lord Snow?” master-at-arms of the Night’s Watch Alliser Thorne asks in the TV blockbuster Game of Thrones. “It means that the person in charge gets second-guessed by every clever little sh*t with a mouth. What if he starts second guessing himself? That’s the end; for him, for the clever little sh*ts, for everyone”.

 

Everyone wants their Leader to second-guess himself. But nobody wants a leader who actually does second-guess himself.

 

This is where we are at the moment. Really hope it is not the end and that Rodgers can see this through. 

 

 

 

...you discuss a method or a plan and use your experience and knowledge to decide which option to chose!!!

  Seeking counsel is not a sign of weakness but a sign of strength.

  Once you have made the choice, and begin to show any semblance of doubt, it is a sign to everyone around you that you do not believe in what you are asking people  to do.

  It is all very well others second guessing you, you will have to dissuade anyone from believing they can openly challenge your authority, otherwise the dissenting voices will grow.

  There are different types of leaders, ones who know when to put their arm on your shoulder or the ones who motivates by fear by challenging you.

  There are aspects of Rodgers tenure and what he does on the training pitch which some players would say has been invaluable, but for me there is an element of trust that I struggle to apply to him, and it won't go away.

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50 minutes ago, Fox in the North said:

Noticed a good quote from a book I was reading last night: 

 

“Do you know what leadership means, Lord Snow?” master-at-arms of the Night’s Watch Alliser Thorne asks in the TV blockbuster Game of Thrones. “It means that the person in charge gets second-guessed by every clever little sh*t with a mouth. What if he starts second guessing himself? That’s the end; for him, for the clever little sh*ts, for everyone”.

 

Everyone wants their Leader to second-guess himself. But nobody wants a leader who actually does second-guess himself.

 

This is where we are at the moment. Really hope it is not the end and that Rodgers can see this through. 

 

 

 

You know nothing Jon Snow. 

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36 minutes ago, don_danbury said:

i don't agree with that we were once a crap side so we should be grateful nonsense tbh. in his own words he said he came to disrupt the top 6. he just about did that by finishing 5th and that could've easily been 7th if the season had 2 more games. overall he has done a good job but he's definitely not overachieved, and he's definitely underachieving this season. 

What are the actual barometers used to ascertain that we are underachieving ie is it playing squad, funds, something else?
& then can we simply use those same barometers to see why we were not overachieving last 2 seasons.

Is it the general consensus that we have a better playing squad than 16 of the other teams in the premier lge & therefore should be now & should have stuck in top 4 previously?
Do we actual have a squad that is in the top 4 best in the premier lge?
It can't be funding as we don't have more funding than 16 of the other teams in the premier lge

Is it Rodgers himself, although it can't be that because there are more posters within this thread saying he is not an elite manager than saying he is so using that assumption then he was overachieving last 2 season & sitting where he should be this?

so/or
Something else, what is it?

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We have been below par this season , we should be level with Man.Utd. West Ham and Wolves and probably Spurs. Rodgers has made tactical errors but a good many of our much vaunted "star" players have been average or even poor. Is that Rodgers's fault or their's. A very good player is consistent or at least giving his all. If your form is all over the place with no real reason , then you are not a very good player. You should have a standard if you are a pro. and if you fall below that you should kick your own arse.

 

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2 hours ago, suffolk fox said:

For all  those on this board who want Rogers gone please show us all a suitable alternative who is available and they consider would do a better job?  

I am frustrated as most that this season is not panning out as well as can be expected but with the injuries we have had since the start of the season I believe midtable is about right.  We have been playing with kids, players totally out of position to fill a spot.

 

Please also remember all the so called big 6 plus Villa have and are spending millions to be where they are.

 

Granted, Rogers tactics frustrate me at times too but who is out there that could do a better job?

 

Some of our fan base have been spoilt since 15/16 I can remember the dark, dismal days of mid table Championship or division 2 mediocrity, hoping to avoid relegation from that division, let alone winning the fa cup, two top 5 finishes and European football all under Rogers.

Diego Martinez, Rudi Garcia and Lucien Favre are all out of work which I'm using as available as I could come up with a host of other managers at clubs but I've no telepathy that we'd be able to get them here.

 

Those 3 though tick the boxes as managers capable of doing a similar job to what Rodgers has done. Certainly Garcia and Favre have huge experience at instantly turning around squads that have done well and lost their way. Martinez really is impressive in what he did at Granada but there's still an element of unknown about him, bit there always will be, like there is when signing young and talented players.

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Ric Flair

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2 hours ago, majaco said:

I think Rodgers has earned more time.  He is not.having a great season.  Partly, this is to with him being a victim (rather than responsible for imo) of the injury situation. 

 

Injuries have cost us many points but so has poor defensive work.

 

I wonder how.many points we have lost by changing formation and inviting pressure and late goals.  Against Brighton, we removed our offensive threat almost.entirely.  I hope someone on the coaching staff or the senior players is holding Rodgers to account on this.

 

Rodgers can still turn it round.  He has been successful at Leicester so he deserves time.   It does feel like momentum has been lost.   It is probably his last season but I think the club and him will probably come to an agreement late in the season unless we finish the season impressively. 

To play devil's advocate though, can you provide any evidence of Rodgers turning it around at his other clubs or at rebuilding clubs who are heading for some large changes in personnel? He's a very good manager at inheriting the resources he's given and hitting the ground running. The longer he's at a club and expected to lead a new era and rebuild it doesn't make for good reading.

 

It's more hope and praying than being confident he can. That's why I'm so desperate for the club to wrestle back the recruitment control. Rodgers being given the right new players and we stand a chance, Rodgers being the final say on finding and signing those new players and I think we're heading for trouble like at his previous clubs.

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34 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

What are the actual barometers used to ascertain that we are underachieving ie is it playing squad, funds, something else?
& then can we simply use those same barometers to see why we were not overachieving last 2 seasons.

Is it the general consensus that we have a better playing squad than 16 of the other teams in the premier lge & therefore should be now & should have stuck in top 4 previously?
Do we actual have a squad that is in the top 4 best in the premier lge?
It can't be funding as we don't have more funding than 16 of the other teams in the premier lge

Is it Rodgers himself, although it can't be that because there are more posters within this thread saying he is not an elite manager than saying he is so using that assumption then he was overachieving last 2 season & sitting where he should be this?

so/or
Something else, what is it?

I think our own fuching eyes might be a decent enough barometer currently. We’re flopping so badly at the minute that a course of viagra AND Cialis need administering to the whole squad - we are LIMP. 

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2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

To play devil's advocate though, can you provide any evidence of Rodgers turning it around at his other clubs or at rebuilding clubs who are heading for some large changes in personnel? He's a very good manager at inheriting the resources he's given and hitting the ground running. The longer he's at a club and expected to lead a new era and rebuild it doesn't make for good reading.

 

It's more hope and praying than being confident he can. That's why I'm so desperate for the club to wrestle back the recruitment control. Rodgers being given the right new players and we stand a chance, Rodgers being the final say on finding and signing those new players and I think we're heading for trouble like at his previous clubs.

I live in hope.

 

Rodgers steering is worrying.  I keep thinking we'll go on a run.  And we do for about 70 minutes but Jim am hoping more for about two games!

 

I still think he has earned more time.   The other worry is hiring a manager  to.kove us forward.

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I'm very much on the fence about ol Brendan. Just when I seem to grow frustrated and at my whits end he seems to steady the ship enough to warrant another chance. Don't get me wrong I'm forever grateful for the trophy's we've won under him. Yes we've come close (twice) to finishing in the top 4 but we didn't it and we didn't in the most agonizing painful way at that. The credit I give him is that we've been knocked for 6 by the foffana injury at the start of the season but also the subsequent injuries that seem to knock the win out of our sails just as we are getting going. However, he has doesn't surprisingly well in some games with the fringe players we have and in other games when we should be walking away with all the 3 points we've capitulated in spectacular fashion.What I'm trying to say is we are a pendulum that swings from one extreme to another which is going to give us all heart attacks. I just watched an interesting debate on 'The Kickoff' regarding Rogers VS Gerrard as the better manager. They make some interesting points that are backed up with stats. I don't know at this point as much as it hurts to start to falter again in the 2nd half of the season I'm going to see how we finish especially if we need up with a fully fit squad.  

 

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22 minutes ago, cruzFOX said:

I'm very much on the fence about ol Brendan. Just when I seem to grow frustrated and at my whits end he seems to steady the ship enough to warrant another chance. Don't get me wrong I'm forever grateful for the trophy's we've won under him. Yes we've come close (twice) to finishing in the top 4 but we didn't it and we didn't in the most agonizing painful way at that. The credit I give him is that we've been knocked for 6 by the foffana injury at the start of the season but also the subsequent injuries that seem to knock the win out of our sails just as we are getting going. However, he has doesn't surprisingly well in some games with the fringe players we have and in other games when we should be walking away with all the 3 points we've capitulated in spectacular fashion.What I'm trying to say is we are a pendulum that swings from one extreme to another which is going to give us all heart attacks. I just watched an interesting debate on 'The Kickoff' regarding Rogers VS Gerrard as the better manager. They make some interesting points that are backed up with stats. I don't know at this point as much as it hurts to start to falter again in the 2nd half of the season I'm going to see how we finish especially if we need up with a fully fit squad.  

 

 

These clowns know nothing and rarely offer any intelligent opinion, they're just pumping out videos about any going topic to milk views and ad revenue from YouTube. Had another one of their videos on yesterday about Derby and the main Geordie big man was scrolling through his phone, probably reading Wikipedia to say what he knows about Derby.

 

200k views in little over a day, completely waste of time bollocks. They know they'll have some of the normal audience baited into watching it out of habit, and they know Celtic & Rangers fans will be all over it because it's Rodgers v Gerrard - can see right through it immediately. I don't want to watch it :sweating:

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On 25/01/2022 at 13:14, Ric Flair said:

Diego Martinez, Rudi Garcia and Lucien Favre are all out of work which I'm using as available as I could come up with a host of other managers at clubs but I've no telepathy that we'd be able to get them here.

 

Those 3 though tick the boxes as managers capable of doing a similar job to what Rodgers has done. Certainly Garcia and Favre have huge experience at instantly turning around squads that have done well and lost their way. Martinez really is impressive in what he did at Granada but there's still an element of unknown about him, bit there always will be, like there is when signing young and talented players.

Jesse Marsch?

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On 25/01/2022 at 13:19, Ric Flair said:

To play devil's advocate though, can you provide any evidence of Rodgers turning it around at his other clubs or at rebuilding clubs who are heading for some large changes in personnel? He's a very good manager at inheriting the resources he's given and hitting the ground running. The longer he's at a club and expected to lead a new era and rebuild it doesn't make for good reading.

 

It's more hope and praying than being confident he can. That's why I'm so desperate for the club to wrestle back the recruitment control. Rodgers being given the right new players and we stand a chance, Rodgers being the final say on finding and signing those new players and I think we're heading for trouble like at his previous clubs.

I loved Rodgers at Celtic have some of the best memories I've had as a Celtic fan in his time here, but the thought of asking him to go in deep in the transfer market and conducting a rebuild terrifies me.

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23 hours ago, cruzFOX said:

I'm very much on the fence about ol Brendan. Just when I seem to grow frustrated and at my whits end he seems to steady the ship enough to warrant another chance. Don't get me wrong I'm forever grateful for the trophy's we've won under him. Yes we've come close (twice) to finishing in the top 4 but we didn't it and we didn't in the most agonizing painful way at that. The credit I give him is that we've been knocked for 6 by the foffana injury at the start of the season but also the subsequent injuries that seem to knock the win out of our sails just as we are getting going. However, he has doesn't surprisingly well in some games with the fringe players we have and in other games when we should be walking away with all the 3 points we've capitulated in spectacular fashion.What I'm trying to say is we are a pendulum that swings from one extreme to another which is going to give us all heart attacks. I just watched an interesting debate on 'The Kickoff' regarding Rogers VS Gerrard as the better manager. They make some interesting points that are backed up with stats. I don't know at this point as much as it hurts to start to falter again in the 2nd half of the season I'm going to see how we finish especially if we need up with a fully fit squad.  

 

Christ.

 

Rodgers v Gerrard

 

Rodgers is in a different stratosphere from Gerrard as a manager.

 

He was up here for 3.5 years and won one trophy and blew an absolute open goal at the chance of a treble. If Rodgers had remained in Scotland he wouldn't even have won that.

 

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On 25/01/2022 at 08:13, majaco said:

I live in hope.

 

Rodgers steering is worrying.  I keep thinking we'll go on a run.  And we do for about 70 minutes but Jim am hoping more for about two games!

 

I still think he has earned more time.   The other worry is hiring a manager  to.kove us forward.

I think he has earned until the end of the year, too. I also thinks he know that there’s gonna be a shake up in the squad and he probably doesn’t want to stay for that. It’s best we start fresh.

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