Brendan Rodgers

[AKCJ]

1 minute ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Mood. Celtic supporter underneath echoing his thoughts. 

Celtic fans were absolutely gutted when he left and those sort of thoughts were more hindsight/coping mechanisms than actual opinion.

[foxes_rule1978]

6 minutes ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

Apparently Rodgers has entered into contract extension talks 🤷‍♂️

😂 you serious? 

[Leicester_Loyal]

Just now, AKCJ said:

Celtic fans were absolutely gutted when he left and those sort of thoughts were more hindsight/coping mechanisms than actual opinion.

Ask the same Celtic fans about their European performances and their injuries. 
 

Not saying he didn’t do a great job there because he did, but the League and Cup wins in Scotland were when they had the easiest opponents (not saying it isnt hard to do though). Most were gutted he left because they wanted him to bring home the 10. 

[AKCJ]

4 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Ask the same Celtic fans about their European performances and their injuries. 
 

Not saying he didn’t do a great job there because he did, but the League and Cup wins in Scotland were when they had the easiest opponents (not saying it isnt hard to do though). Most were gutted he left because they wanted him to bring home the 10. 

He won back to back trebles and had them well on the way to another. He'd have also definitley won them their 10 in a row title.

 

 

[Leicester_Loyal]

14 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

He won back to back trebles and had them well on the way to another. He'd have also definitley won them their 10 in a row title.

 

 

Correct.

 

But they also were poor in Europe throughout his tenure, they also suffered countless injuries and his tactics were being questioned game after game. Did they achieve that purely through having better players than any of the competition?

 

Their recruitment was up and down as well, much like ours and Liverpools under him.

[Lambert09]

55 minutes ago, dnewty said:

Lose to Burnley and he’ll be gone.

The worry is that so will we 

[TheMightyFox]

On 14/02/2022 at 13:05, Ashley said:

Heard he's been sacked so let's see. 

 

Took his kid out the school they were at but believe that's more due to him getting a new house in Salford.

 

Second text came later saying he'd been sacked... 

Another user/wannabe ITK added to the bull💩 list after this disaster of a guess 

[Muzzy_Larsson]

19 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Ask the same Celtic fans about their European performances and their injuries. 
 

Not saying he didn’t do a great job there because he did, but the League and Cup wins in Scotland were when they had the easiest opponents (not saying it isnt hard to do though). Most were gutted he left because they wanted him to bring home the 10. 

Exactly this. You can be gutted that he left and also aware of his shortcomings, they are not mutually exclusive. 

 

Rodgers is in a clutch of two or three of the best Celtic manager's I've seen in my lifetime, he brought great success domestically that made memories to last a lifetime.

 

The bad was that he was horrendous in the transfer market and terrible in Europe as we suffered our two record defeats under him.

 

The real issue is the bad in Scotland got swept under the carpet a fair bit as he was so successful domestically and the league is so weaker. In the EPL the league is stronger and wekanesses are more readily exploited, hence the more visible spotlight and heightened criticism of him. The criticisms of him latterly at Leicester are largely the same criticisms of him latterly at Celtic, but like I said it was more palatable for Celtic fans as we continued to enjoy domestic success despite him wasting money, getthing humped in Europe and the quality of football deteriorating.

[Muzzy_Larsson]

19 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

He won back to back trebles and had them well on the way to another. He'd have also definitley won them their 10 in a row title.

 

 

He would have but there were a number of managers who we could have appointed after he left that would have won us that 10th title. The issue with that was replacing him with someone like Lennon.

[Ric Flair]

Baring in mind this is largely the same group of players as under Puel in his final season I thought it would be relevant to consider what got Claude the sack.

 

He got 9 league wins in his first 21 games of that 2018/19 season. We currently have 7 from 23 games. Puel then went on to lose 5 of the next 6 games thst got him the sack, as well as an embarrassing FA Cup exit to lower league fodder. We've 3 losses in our last 5 with the other 2 draws as well as the Forest debacle, but with the Randers win as well and we've already shipped 43 goals in 23 league games, we conceded 48 in the entire 2018/19 season.

 

If he isn't under pressure then it's absolutely wild from our board, I know they've been bowled over by him hence allowing him to run amok with who to bring in in the recruitment department and other area that now are heavily influenced by him but there comes crunch point where they'll not be able to ignore it and we can't be far off that. I thought it would be this month but without at least 1 or 2 league wins then it'll be sooner rather than later, there's no way he can survive unless the club are happy to risk relegation (unlikely to happen but by sticking with him whilst we rack up defeat after defeat is just as telling in the messaging).

 

End of the road, get him gone.

[Scotch]

7 minutes ago, TheMightyFox said:

Another user/wannabe ITK added to the bull💩 list after this disaster of a guess 

Ashley has proven outright beyond any question that he does get information from time to time. Not to say that it's always correct but all he can do is pass it on. 

 

Slating people like him for doing it dramatically decreases the interest and fun of the forum because eventually they will stop and giving our ability to keep rumours to a minimum it'll soon just be us reacting to signings we've already made. 

[AjcW]

6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Baring in mind this is largely the same group of players as under Puel in his final season I thought it would be relevant to consider what got Claude the sack.

 

He got 9 league wins in his first 21 games of that 2018/19 season. We currently have 7 from 23 games. Puel then went on to lose 5 of the next 6 games thst got him the sack, as well as an embarrassing FA Cup exit to lower league fodder. We've 3 losses in our last 5 with the other 2 draws as well as the Forest debacle, but with the Randers win as well and we've already shipped 43 goals in 23 league games, we conceded 48 in the entire 2018/19 season.

 

If he isn't under pressure then it's absolutely wild from our board, I know they've been bowled over by him hence allowing him to run amok with who to bring in in the recruitment department and other area that now are heavily influenced by him but there comes crunch point where they'll not be able to ignore it and we can't be far off that. I thought it would be this month but without at least 1 or 2 league wins then it'll be sooner rather than later, there's no way he can survive unless the club are happy to risk relegation (unlikely to happen but by sticking with him whilst we rack up defeat after defeat is just as telling in the messaging).

 

End of the road, get him gone.

The difference is simple. 

 

A few boos compared to some of the most vile vitriol I've heard from our fanbase, delivered to Puel, any subs he brought on and to be honest anyone nearby who dared to question the outcry.

Our owners are lead by the fans. At the minute we are being quite passive at home games, nowhere near the level we'd need to force the boards hand.

 

Also Top isn't at anywhere near as many games to be influenced by any sort of small backlash either. 

[chapero82]

The no funds available through the summer is more worrying 

[Leicester_Loyal]

13 minutes ago, TheMightyFox said:

Another user/wannabe ITK added to the bull💩 list after this disaster of a guess 

Absolutely no need for that.

 

I can't see how Rodgers can stay if we fail to get 3 points from the next two games in the league (Burnley and Leeds). Even two draws would steady the ship, but we should be doing much better than that.

[Ric Flair]

4 minutes ago, AjcW said:

The difference is simple. 

 

A few boos compared to some of the most vile vitriol I've heard from our fanbase, delivered to Puel, any subs he brought on and to be honest anyone nearby who dared to question the outcry.

Our owners are lead by the fans. At the minute we are being quite passive at home games, nowhere near the level we'd need to force the boards hand.

 

Also Top isn't at anywhere near as many games to be influenced by any sort of small backlash either. 

It's got a bit grim at times and Rodgers has tried calling it out which he quickly regretted. I think we're now in to phase 2 of the disillusioned and vitriol and it may well resemble the latter part of the Puel era. 

[Flappit]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

That's not true.

 

With Ranieri the relationship with the players had broken down because Claudio had done the opposite he'd done the previous season; instead of leaving Pearson's set up alone as he did in the title win, he'd made huge changes to the club's culture behind the scenes that more suited his management style but not the players. We were on a downward spiral and hadn't scored a league goal for 2 months.

 

With Shakespeare giving him the permanent job in the summer was a mistake in the first place. Performances made this clear after 8 games and the club were clearly not convinced about his ability in the long term.

 

Puel's relationship with the players was known to be bad as it was mainly down to stubbornness and poor communication. His recruitment and ability to promote youth gave him huge amounts of credit as did his exceptional handling of Vichai's death - if the crash hadn't happened Puel probably would had been fired much sooner. However I think the club wanted to give him to at least the end of the season as a mark of respect and thank you, but by late February performances were not only so bad but Rodgers was available much earlier.

 

Rodgers has had to deal with an unprecedented pandemic and the resulting injury crisis mainly caused by poor management by the authorities. He's not had a full strength XI or squad for more than 2 years. Any new manager would still have to deal with those exact same problems. He's won us the FA Cup for the first time ever, the Community Shield, had us qualifying for Europe through the league for only the second and third time in our history, he's already brought through more Leicester boys from the academy than anyone else and is bringing through even more, and has a clear vision about our future that is working in harmony with the club's.

 

What's more, the amount it would cost us to sack him far outweighs what we might earn by finishing a few places higher in the league. For me, he's got more credit in the bank than any of those sacked managers and despite current results, the players are still playing for him and clearly want to succeed. Sacking him now would be expensive, kneejerk and counter productive in my opinion. Unless we're in actual danger of relegation, he should stay.

I don't see a large amount of difference in the managerial approach you have attempted to differentiate, but whatever.

 

The unprecedented pandemic isn't causing every other team problems though, so why does Rodgers get a pass there? His injury crisis is because he messed around with the physio set up at the club and his habit of overplaying players returning from injury. Some of the injuries were accidental, but he's the one accountable. His lack of squad availability could have been dealt with by some more competent recruitment. He failed. Soumare, Vestergaard, Bertrand, Ryan fcuking Bennett! Christ on a bike he hasn't got a clue when it comes to recruitment. Yes, we got the FA cup and Community Shield. In both we could have been hammered but for individual excellence, but we scraped through. On another day, we wouldn't have, but fair play, we held out. Now about that FA Cup defence against a Championship side?  What about the abject capitulation from positions where we couldn't possibly not finish 4th? What about the repeated insistence on odd formations and making great players under-perform(Maddison, Ndidi, Barnes, Ricardo). If he'd been here in 2015, Kante would still be on the wing whilst Brendan tried to prove his point that he knew best.

 

You have no idea how much it will cost to sack him or how many places we could make up, so that argument is moot.

[Ric Flair]

3 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

The no funds available through the summer is more worrying 

Where has it said that? Funds are limited due to covid and will be driven largely by player sales is obvious. If you're running at 85% wages to turnover ratio then where does the funds for signing players come from? I've no issue with that, it means we have to return to signing young and talented unproven players for the collective cost of moving on a player who's ran their course here. Bring it on

[Devonfox1884]

The last 3 games gave given me some hope, even though the results haven’t been there in the league.

 

It’s such a tricky one, I find myself changing my mind on what we should do most games at the minute. 

[Rusko187]

Given the Athletic have confirmed it was Rodgers who went outside of our scouting group and signed Perez, Vestergaard and Bertrand, it seems absolutely crazy to give him any say on future recruitment. Bust him down to head-coach, his job is to manage/coach the first team and work with what's given to him. He may submit requests but if the scouting team/DoF are in disagreement, the move gets canned! He's been afforded too much power at this club already. Bin off his mate Congerton too, Rudkin can select a successor for that role.

[Greg2607]

it would be really interesting to see a breakdown of the win percentages over each season that he has been here and if there is a general trend (i have no idea whether there is or there isn't in either direction)

 

but if it's got generally worse since he got here, then it's a terminal decline that he won't arrest. 

 

if it was generally getting better before this season, then maybe it is just a blip based on injury record etc. 

 

*edit... ive just done it... not sure how this will format in here though....

 

Season	Matches	Wins	Draws	Losses	PPM	Win %
21/22	23	7	6	10	1.17	30.43
20/21	38	20	6	12	1.74	52.6
19/20	38	18	8	12	1.63	47.3
18/19	10	5	2	3	1.70	50%

 

1.17 x 38 = 44 points.  should in theory be enough based on current PPG average to stave off relegation... 

 

just depends how brave the board are feeling.

 

Edited 21 February 2022 by Greg2607

[chapero82]

14 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Where has it said that? Funds are limited due to covid and will be driven largely by player sales is obvious. If you're running at 85% wages to turnover ratio then where does the funds for signing players come from? I've no issue with that, it means we have to return to signing young and talented unproven players for the collective cost of moving on a player who's ran their course here. Bring it on

Apologies I meant limited funds  

But I think you are spot on with that we need to sign up and coming players.

[StriderHiryu]

30 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

 

 

If he isn't under pressure then it's absolutely wild from our board, I know they've been bowled over by him hence allowing him to run amok with who to bring in in the recruitment department and other area that now are heavily influenced by him but there comes crunch point where they'll not be able to ignore it and we can't be far off that. 

Rudkin was instrumental in getting Rodgers onboard, and had identified him a long time before he came here. It was rumoured he had been sounded out as early as the summer before he joined, but that he wanted to have one more season with Celtic first to get the 10 in a row. Obviously Puel stank the place out and Top forced his hand, being prepared to pay more to get the man Rudkin had identified in early. So there probably is a lot of respect and even friendship between the two. Rodgers had been spotted looking at potential houses in the area around Christmas time 2017.

 

At the moment it does feel very Puel-esque, though the players are 100% still playing for Rodgers. Problem is they might need a new manager to give them a kick up the arse that is needed.

[lgfualol]

We'll be blaming injuries and recruitment next season too if he stays. God knows who we'll sign in the Summer if we don't turn this around and how mismanaged pre-season will be. Maybe we'll start training a week before the first game this time. 

[AjcW]

1 minute ago, lgfualol said:

We'll be blaming injuries and recruitment next season too if he stays. God knows who we'll sign in the Summer if we don't turn this around and how mismanaged pre-season will be. Maybe we'll start training a week before the first game this time. 

We might be finishing this season off a week before the first game to be fair  

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, lgfualol said:

We'll be blaming injuries and recruitment next season too if he stays. God knows who we'll sign in the Summer if we don't turn this around and how mismanaged pre-season will be. Maybe we'll start training a week before the first game this time. 

For me, the injury excuse is only valid for as long as the effects of the condensed seasons existed plus a little extra. That is well and truly over after this seasons conclusion, and if its continues into next season without a reasonable explanation then he should absolutely go on those grounds alone.