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Brendan Rodgers

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My main gripe about his use of the "go to war with the club" phrase was that he even used it! It suggests to me as though he sees himself as separate from the club, as though he's distancing himself. A kind of 'not my fault, don't blame me gov' response.

 

A much more inclusive response would have used the word 'we'... as in 'we are unable to get players in as we wanted'. I get that he's disappointed, he's not alone in that, but to use the word 'war' is unhelpful... and perhaps revealing.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, taupe said:

My main gripe about his use of the "go to war with the club" phrase was that he even used it! It suggests to me as though he sees himself as separate from the club, as though he's distancing himself. A kind of 'not my fault, don't blame me gov' response.

 

A much more inclusive response would have used the word 'we'... as in 'we are unable to get players in as we wanted'. I get that he's disappointed, he's not alone in that, but to use the word 'war' is unhelpful... and perhaps revealing.

 

 

100% if he says 'we are unable to get players in...' it's turned on him basically to say it's his fault and he shouldn't blame the club and lump them in with his choices...

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4 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

i’ve always been a critic of soyuncus but in a 3 with two quality cbs i think he’d thrive…. or at least offer us some passing ability. 

 

Brendan is too stubborn and can’t get over a few mistakes. I’m fairly certain every other manager in the league would be playing soyuncu if they were using our system 

Our squad isn’t deep enough in terms of quality to sideline the likes of Cags or Praet previously.

 

I think we set up better with 4 at the back tbh but until we bring in better players we have to make use of what we have. I would start Cags ahead of Big Dan.

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1 hour ago, TMELcfc said:

He has, he’s knows what he’s doing. Each time the context is transfer based. If you can’t see it or don’t want I'm not going to keep arguing about it. He’s not the only one by the way, these managers all know what they’re doing in these interviews/press conferences, there’s always some meaning to them, sometimes cryptic 

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they'e not out to get you!lol

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51 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

If the right players were signed last summer we wouldn't need the investment this summer. I do think we should have signed a right winger and a proper Kasper replacement though, even if it meant having a player we couldn't register on 80k. 

even if it meant having a player we couldn't register on 80k. 

 

Well that;s a bit pointless, and would only exacerbate our current financial problems. 

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2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

At some point the penny will drop with him that we aren’t making any signings or we will actually make a couple (if we get a couple out)

 

then he can start managing the side rather than making cheap points to the board …. 

 

He cannot possibly be as poor a coach as to have made the decisions in game last Sunday that he did without having some ulterior motive (and it backfired on him) - he doesn’t actually want to drop points 

 

get on with your fookin job or resign …… make a choice !!!

....I believe he is that bad a manager, I have said for a long time now that he needs someone to come in and work with him!!!

We lost a good coach in Shakey and he was part of a very successful partnership in our history, giving him the manager's job meant we would lose much more than a manager if it did not work out.

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1 hour ago, StanSP said:

100% if he says 'we are unable to get players in...' it's turned on him basically to say it's his fault and he shouldn't blame the club and lump them in with his choices...

It would have been better if he said I take responsibilty for the poor signings we made last year. Though the injuries haven't helped our cause either.

 

I'll also make sure we don't make that mistake again. We'll just have to wait until we can sort out the squad and then go again.

 

I think many would accept that as we are all in this together, Instead of it's a Club issue and nother to do with me which is how it came across.

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5 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

 

Brendan Rodgers Is Excellent At Finding Points Of Friction With His Employers. | The Celtic Blog

 

@Muzzy_Larsson seems to be exactly what is happening here..

Yeah most definitely. Rodgers is happy to blow smoke up the arse of the people above him when everything is rosy but when things veer off course a little he'll throw them under the bus to protect his own ego/reputation. At Celtic he'd start a sentence saying the board have been great and given me everything I've asked for then in the next breath say his hands were tied and he couldn't make us any better in Europe as he needed more money.

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1 hour ago, Clever Fox said:

It would have been better if he said I take responsibilty for the poor signings we made last year. Though the injuries haven't helped our cause either.

 

I'll also make sure we don't make that mistake again. We'll just have to wait until we can sort out the squad and then go again.

 

I think many would accept that as we are all in this together, Instead of it's a Club issue and nother to do with me which is how it came across.

I agree with that, but that is one of his personality issues that does not help us. He will not admit mistakes, and he will not change things if they are  not working. That is a very concerning combination ,especially in the position we are now in.

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5 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

What's a red herring?

The suggestion that we are looking to displace the wealthy six is a massive red herring because no one expects that, What we expect is a side that plays to the sum of its parts - and we have in many ways a very impressive squad right now…and we expect  basics like defence and set pieces to be taken care of. And we expect our team to see out winning positions. If all those basics had been addressed I feel we could have had at least one season of Champions League and more progress.in the Europa League …

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1 hour ago, smudgerfox said:

The suggestion that we are looking to displace the wealthy six is a massive red herring because no one expects that, What we expect is a side that plays to the sum of its parts - and we have in many ways a very impressive squad right now…and we expect  basics like defence and set pieces to be taken care of. And we expect our team to see out winning positions. If all those basics had been addressed I feel we could have had at least one season of Champions League and more progress.in the Europa League …

Some better tell the owner/ club then, take directly from the last financial report;

 

The Club intends to extend its challenge to the big 6 Clubs both on and off the pitch.

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5 hours ago, taupe said:

My main gripe about his use of the "go to war with the club" phrase was that he even used it! It suggests to me as though he sees himself as separate from the club, as though he's distancing himself. A kind of 'not my fault, don't blame me gov' response.

 

A much more inclusive response would have used the word 'we'... as in 'we are unable to get players in as we wanted'. I get that he's disappointed, he's not alone in that, but to use the word 'war' is unhelpful... and perhaps revealing.

 

 

He doesn't do collective responsibility.  It's always others that fail or let the team down.  Players not experienced, injuries, lack of investment, not fit enough, insufficient quality on the bench. Some have a degree of justification on occasion but it's rare if ever he'll say, "I got it wrong." His career is about him not who he works for. 

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7 hours ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

He doesn't do collective responsibility.  It's always others that fail or let the team down.  Players not experienced, injuries, lack of investment, not fit enough, insufficient quality on the bench. Some have a degree of justification on occasion but it's rare if ever he'll say, "I got it wrong." His career is about him not who he works for. 

And every single one of those excuses be rolls out, he has a significant input into. If fitness is an issue then Brendan look no further than your own strength and conditioning specialist, who i believe came to the club as part of the backroom staff and cannot be working independently or without significant input/influence from Brendan. Then there is recruitment, where Brendan’s mate, Congerton secured the job, again can’t believe the manager didn’t have more input and influence on transfer targets or the profile of players we signed, his must have targets etc. 

 

make no bones the reason we are in this current mess and it appears to be a such shit show is down to a couple of reasons - 

 

1) Brendan has seized every opportunity to increase his influence and power at the club, which saw an overhaul in medical and recruitment departments, where the board backed him and went with his recommendations 

 

2) this has meant we have deviated from the model that has made this club so special in the last 10 years or so - excellent recruitment in the main, superb injury record, and our business model of selling one star player ever summer to reinvest 

 

3) the board in my opinion have been in a very difficult situation, the last 3 years or so has given us European football and an FA Cup FInal win, the Manager had leverage and the club has their backs to the wall, and with hindsight have been weaker than they should have been and relinquished too much control of key aspects to Rodgers and his cronies. In truth except for last season, had Rodgers walked, then in the main the fan base would have been frustrated. 
 

I think the Senior Management at the club realised this last season and are now wrestling back control but by doing this and reestablishing the control, this has created a stand off with Rodgers, who is now at every opportunity making subtle references to not having the necessary support or resources at his disposal. 
 

I have no doubt that once the club feel they have everything back in place to make the final change then they will relieve Rodgers of his duties, unless he walks in the meantime.  

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12 hours ago, StanSP said:

How does mentioning that he wants to invest in the squad equate to 'going to war with the club'. 

 

He said he doesn't want to (and won't) go to war with the club, and so far he hasn't. What's the issue?

Yes there's probably a word for it in PR. But essentially you say you're not going to do something which: a) raises the question that you might do that very thing; b) that you would be justified in doing that very thing but due to your own moderate reasonableness have decided not to. You get to say you're hard done to and to praise yourself for not doing the thing that others might do. Win. Win. 

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55 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

And every single one of those excuses be rolls out, he has a significant input into. If fitness is an issue then Brendan look no further than your own strength and conditioning specialist, who i believe came to the club as part of the backroom staff and cannot be working independently or without significant input/influence from Brendan. Then there is recruitment, where Brendan’s mate, Congerton secured the job, again can’t believe the manager didn’t have more input and influence on transfer targets or the profile of players we signed, his must have targets etc. 

 

make no bones the reason we are in this current mess and it appears to be a such shit show is down to a couple of reasons - 

 

1) Brendan has seized every opportunity to increase his influence and power at the club, which saw an overhaul in medical and recruitment departments, where the board backed him and went with his recommendations 

 

2) this has meant we have deviated from the model that has made this club so special in the last 10 years or so - excellent recruitment in the main, superb injury record, and our business model of selling one star player ever summer to reinvest 

 

3) the board in my opinion have been in a very difficult situation, the last 3 years or so has given us European football and an FA Cup FInal win, the Manager had leverage and the club has their backs to the wall, and with hindsight have been weaker than they should have been and relinquished too much control of key aspects to Rodgers and his cronies. In truth except for last season, has Rodgers walked them in the main the fan base would have been frustrated. 
 

I think the Senior Management at the club realised this last season and are now wrestling back control but by doing this and reestablishing the control, this has created a stand off with Rodgers, who is now at every opportunity making subtle references to not having the necessary support or resources at his disposal. 
 

I have no doubt that once the club feel they have everything back in place to make the final change then they will relieve Rodgers of his duties, unless he walks in the meantime.  

 

I also think another failure has been at development squad level. I don't know what caused Beaglehole's departure but he seemed to me to be doing a good job. Dare I mention Calvin Bassey? One minute our team is crying out for a quick, front-foot, strong, left-footed central defender and the next minute I'm watching Rangers in the Europa League Final and the player of the match has come from our Academy. Before the commentators mentioned his time at Leicester, I was thinking he's just what we need alongside Fofana in a 4 or Evans and Fofana in a 3. Who is making these decisions? Where are the young defenders (under 21s) who can bolster the squad without adding to the overall number? What's the point in having them out on loan until they're 23 and having to earn a place in the squad on merit against big money experienced signings? 

 

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