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Brendan Rodgers

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3 minutes ago, SkidsFox said:

After Moyes' spell at Real Sociedad, and Neville down at Valencia, I don't think British managers have a great reputation now in Spain. The champion teams in the Premier League are always foreign nowadays, which is a poor reflection too.

Moyes is (probably unfairly tbh) seen as an ‘old-school’ English league manager; Rodgers isn’t - he’s very much a modern, European-style coach. Easy to imagine him in Spain or France or Germany or Italy.

 

(Neville isn’t a coach or manager of any sort, so doesn’t count!)

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8 hours ago, jim5000 said:

 

We've averaged 2 goals conceded per match at the start of the season. Admittidly our first choice back two are crocked and we're bedding in a new defensive partnership while bringing Evans back into the fold, but it's not a great defensive start. It doesn't really matter whether the goals come from playing out from the back, set pieces, or open play - any goal against is a goal against. It could be argued that conceding all types of goals is easier to fix than just conceding from set plays (for example), as it shows a general defensive weakness rather than a tactical flaw which could be addressed.

 

We're unlikely to get a settled backline this side of Christmas.

I agree. We've been terrible defensively this season and you're not going to win many football matches defending how we have, but I'm trying to dispell the fact that many of our fans attribute that to playing out from the back! We've been doing it for two seasons now and we've definitely got more success from it than without it. 

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57 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

When Rodgers went to Celtic, no-one would touch him with a barge pole. Let's not make too much out of his tenure there, he entered a two horse race where the second horse had ran off into the distance for quite a while. It would have taken a really poor manager to fail. Nevertheless, the Celtic record book looks good and it was also equally as good for Rodgers metamorphosis, a shrewd and clever move, you can't fault him.

 

Arguably Celtic haven't invested as wisely as Rangers have under Gerrard. Rodgers is a very bright man and could see the writing on the wall and got out just right. He was lucky to get Leicester City who had everything going for them at the time in different ways, another win win situation for him for a number of reasons. 

 

He's a good manager, but light years behind the Tunchels and Peps etc imo. He has some absolutely excellent qualities but is inherently flawed in other ways. Elite he certainly isn't in my view but his media darling image perpetuates the myth and if he fails, it will always be Leicester City's fault and not his. However, neither do I see anyone better and available on the horizon for us either at this pointin time. Our owners are good and will have always factored Rodgers leaving at some stage into their plans, it's just business. 

I don't wish to pick a fight, as it's clear from the way you write that you're a great guy with a passion for LCFC, but you're essentially saying BR gets lucky. I don't really get the media darling bit either, that's opinion rather than fact.

 

And for the record, Tunchel is actually Tuchel! :) 

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9 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

A manager with Brendan’s CV will be spoken about in every single board room that has a vacancy.

He will appear on short lists for all big clubs, because he is one of the best managers in world football. - With Pep, Flick, Tuncel, Klopp and Simeone the top 5 and all in secure jobs, maybe Nagelsmann in that elite group too - Brendan is certainly in the next group of 5 - 10 best managers in the world.
He’s proven this with Celtic - have a look at them since he left and with us competing above our weight.

We are building something special here, and some of you would rather have Puel back. 

It’s a perplexing one no doubt. I agree he’s in the ‘next top five’ but we DO seem to be regressing a little at the moment? If we don’t beat a very average Burnley side the knives will be out

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

It’s a perplexing one no doubt. I agree he’s in the ‘next top five’ but we DO seem to be regressing a little at the moment? If we don’t beat a very average Burnley side the knives will be out

 

 

All managers have highs and lows.

 

- Tuchel was sacked as manager of PSG despite getting them to a Champions League final because they were trailing Lille in Ligue 1.

- Guardiola initially struggled when coming to the Premier League. Last season they started slowly and he was getting flack.

- Klopp was being lambasted when Liverpool were outside of the Champions League places last season. During his first season at Liverpool he had a worse record than his predecessor (Rodgers).

- Wenger was sacked after years of success and top 4 finishes with Arsenal. Look at them now.

- Pochettino sacked after making Spurs title challengers and getting to a Champions League Final.

 

We've definitely regressed since the end of last season, but how much of that is down to the manager? Sticking with underperforming players is a criticism that can be labelled at him, but Soyuncu, Tielemans and Maddison are all underperforming at the moment, and two of the best CBs in the league in Evans and Fofana are struggling with injuries. 

 

The current situation is a good test of his talents, and we will see what he's made of. 

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20 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I don't wish to pick a fight, as it's clear from the way you write that you're a great guy with a passion for LCFC, but you're essentially saying BR gets lucky. I don't really get the media darling bit either, that's opinion rather than fact.

 

And for the record, Tunchel is actually Tuchel! :) 

I think you're being unfairly dismissive. Volpeazzuro gave very good reasons why Rodgers was lucky with the timing of his appointments at Celtic and then with us, although you could equally attribute it to astuteness on his part.  His appointment for us was a good match for both at the time but, if anything, Rodgers was the one to benefit the most; there wasn't a better club at the time to suit his abilities and progress his aspirations, and he's on a huge contract.

 

What particularly piqued my interest in your post, though, was the reference to Tunchel.  Brings back the memories of our lowest league position.  He looked a tremendous prospect, albeit at the third level at the time, and then that horrific injury - redolent of our recent woes injury-wise. I wonder where he is now?  Oops, sorry, wandered off-topic.

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9 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

A manager with Brendan’s CV will be spoken about in every single board room that has a vacancy.

He will appear on short lists for all big clubs, because he is one of the best managers in world football. - With Pep, Flick, Tuncel, Klopp and Simeone the top 5 and all in secure jobs, maybe Nagelsmann in that elite group too - Brendan is certainly in the next group of 5 - 10 best managers in the world.
He’s proven this with Celtic - have a look at them since he left and with us competing above our weight.

We are building something special here, and some of you would rather have Puel back. 

I mean, he's done well domestically (FA Cup and Community Shield here), Swansea (play offs) and dominated Scotland with Celtic but I would think he needs to do something at a bigger club (Celtic are a big club obviously but the league isn't too strong), and also in Europe, to be considered one of the best managers "in World football". Most of the best managers, not just now but over time in football, win things consistently and across all areas. If he was to win the Europa League here I think his reputation would rocket. Don't forget he was at Liverpool but never won anything. And don't come at me with "he nearly won the league", we literally laugh at Spurs fans for saying that. Perhaps he was too young for such a big job? But let's not forget Klopp had to overhaul the squad to make it one of the best in the league. Rodgers left them in the top 10, not even the top 6.

 

People did laugh off his Celtic achievements because "it's Scotland" and his European record with Celtic was shocking. I don't think it was any better with Liverpool. As I said, I think a good European run here (semi final/final) would be great for him as a manager. I like Brendan Rodgers but he fits us as much as we fit him. When he was sacked by Liverpool I don't recall any other club but Celtic going for him. I think he left Celtic, a good job with the club he supports, because he knew how good the opportunity was here. We were, and have been, as good for him as he has us.

 

Nobody would rather have Puel back either. I haven't seen one person say that. I hope Rodgers stays for the future, as he's consistently had us in the top 6 and consistency is key in sport, but he also has issues he needs to address at the minute.

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19 minutes ago, deep blue said:

I think you're being unfairly dismissive. Volpeazzuro gave very good reasons why Rodgers was lucky with the timing of his appointments at Celtic and then with us, although you could equally attribute it to astuteness on his part.  His appointment for us was a good match for both at the time but, if anything, Rodgers was the one to benefit the most; there wasn't a better club at the time to suit his abilities and progress his aspirations, and he's on a huge contract.

 

What particularly piqued my interest in your post, though, was the reference to Tunchel.  Brings back the memories of our lowest league position.  He looked a tremendous prospect, albeit at the third level at the time, and then that horrific injury - redolent of our recent woes injury-wise. I wonder where he is now?  Oops, sorry, wandered off-topic.

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He’s a great manager but l’ll be surprised if he doesn’t move on come end of the season, especially if say Utd don’t win a trophy and ole gets pushed he’ll end up at a top club. But like most managers his decisions at times just wind you up 7/10 times he’s right though. 

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4 minutes ago, Muzzy_Larsson said:

Various "outlets' reporting this morning he is on Barcelona's shortlist to replace Koeman when the inevitable happens.

 

Would be surprised if the next manager there isn't Xavi though.

Because if there’s one thing that’s proved to be a huge success with the elite clubs, it’s appointing former managers

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7 minutes ago, Muzzy_Larsson said:

Various "outlets' reporting this morning he is on Barcelona's shortlist to replace Koeman when the inevitable happens.

 

Would be surprised if the next manager there isn't Xavi though.

Rogers agent last night… “Hmm Brendans under a wee bit of pressure, how can I make the Leicester fans appreciate what they’ve got. Ooh I know!”

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9 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

Odds would suggest not

 

https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/barcelona

 

 

Very doubtful one of the big two would go for Brendan. They want either managers who've already won big trophies, or star names who've made their name with their club. More likely a team like Valencia or Atleti (if Simeone ever moves on).

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2 hours ago, lanefox said:

Them stats must be very misleading because his distribution is atrocious 

 

9 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

It’s not a strength 

surprisingly when we won the league it was 36% completed passes.

 

Over the next 5 years it has improved.

under BR its ranged from 70-75% his highest at the club.

 

Due to the change in tactics.

Happy to proved wrong I’m sure someone posted some analysis to show that his distribution was quite effective although @HankMarvin you’ve shown some, what does that mean comparatively?  Under Ranieri he used to flip it out the wing and under Rodgers he rolls it to a centre half

 

I’m almost certain that I read something on here that suggested he was better than we thought on distribution and weaker than we thought on shot stopping (which was a surprise)

 

Does anyone recall what I’m referring to?  Or am I going nuts? (Distinctly possible!!!)

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19 minutes ago, SkidsFox said:

Very doubtful one of the big two would go for Brendan. They want either managers who've already won big trophies, or star names who've made their name with their club. More likely a team like Valencia or Atleti (if Simeone ever moves on).

Looking at Barca’s recent appointments, they don’t tend to go for “proven winners”. Most of their appointments since pep have been from smaller Spanish sides or Argentinian football, and since Brendan trained in Spain and speaks decent Spanish, I could see him being an option.

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Just now, OadbyBlue said:

Looking at Barca’s recent appointments, they don’t tend to go for “proven winners”. Most of their appointments since pep have been from smaller Spanish sides or Argentinian football, and since Brendan trained in Spain and speaks decent Spanish, I could see him being an option.

They've got a massive short term debt issue to sort so can't imagine they have the financial power to go for a 'big' name currently 

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1 hour ago, Flannel_Fox said:

They've got a massive short term debt issue to sort so can't imagine they have the financial power to go for a 'big' name currently 

Which might be the one thing in our favour given the £14m buy out clause quoted when Arsenal were interested in him.

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Someone is actually calling Rodgers spell as our manager 'lucky'.

 

**** me.

 

I've barely read anything on here for a while and I come back to that. I'll be staying away then 🤣

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35 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Someone is actually calling Rodgers spell as our manager 'lucky'.

 

**** me.

 

I've barely read anything on here for a while and I come back to that. I'll be staying away then 🤣

We've been incredibly lucky to have him I don't see the problem?

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