Brendan Rodgers

[foxile5]

5 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Still believe the biggest error of the judgement was not strengthening in the 19/20 January window.

 

One good signing gets us over the line for CL.

 

We then don't learn from our mistake and do the same in the 20/21 January window.

Again - Rodgers was vocal about liking working with a small squad. 

 

He's putting the pressure on for transfers now but when it was important to strengthen he chose not to. 

[Dames]

One thing is certain though, the board have to take their share of the blame for this.

 

They had a choice to back Rodgers or sack Rodgers and they chose neither. Instead they've just tightened the purse strings and slinked away to stick their heads in the sand and hope everything turns out ok. 

 

The way we have started this season could see us in genuine relegation trouble and absolutely nothing is being done about it. A lot of blame can be attributed to Rodgers but a lot of upstairs decisions have not helped him in the slightest. 

 

 

[Tommy G]

1 hour ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

But it doesnt work like that at board level. That one mistake that can cost you or hinder the business can cost you the job. The big salary justifies the pressure. 

 

CAVEAT: I have no idea who is (if anyone is) to blame for the window we are having or Brendan's contract etc. Just pointing out that the idea things like this pass over at board level is wrong. If Top didnt sanction the long term contract, he is well within his right to challenge his executives. 

Yes it can cost you your job, but at the same time most decisions need collective board approval - not just one individual - especially remuneration and contract length of key personnel - namely the manager! I'm on the board of a business and that is how things work.

[sdb]

2 minutes ago, GlenParvaFox said:

The football is too slow.

We don't do enough with the ball.

We don't create anywhere enough high percentage chances.

We buckle under pressure, very easily.

We don't defend set pieces well enough.

 

If Rodgers can fix the above then he's the man. But, he won't.

He can fix them, because these were never issues in the first 18 months. It's just that he doesn't seem bothered about rectifying them. They've all been issues for at least 8 months now, and many over a year +. There's something amiss because he is capable.

[Happy Fox]

@UHDrive mentioned something about the legal implications that could also be a reason why there is a delay. 

[LCCFox96]

Monday thought dump after I've calmed down from the weekend. Basically, I've been Rodgers in up until now, but I just don't see any way back for him from here.

 

I felt he'd earned the opportunity to start this season as manager. We patched ourselves up on the run in last season and jumped up to 8th place - albeit helped out by a lot of remaining fixtures being against relegation fodder - reached a European semi final, and won the Community Shield. All in all, it was acceptable especially given the injuries we managed. However, it was crucial he started this season well and addressed the issues from last season. He hasn't done that. So far we've secured 1 point from 6 in winnable home games having led both at 60mins. We also got slapped at Arsenal and despite getting back into the game twice cheaply gave away goals immediately after. We're still soft, still easy to beat, our heads still go down all the time, and we're still leaking 2 goals per game.

 

He does not seem to have any fresh ideas to mix things up. We're always a Barnes injury away from a change of shape to a formation that doesn't suit us and we've always struggled with. He refuses to utilise our most effective player in terms of goals and assists output in Iheanacho.

 

He has also dug himself a pit with the media - he promised a rebuild, talked it up every week and let the fanbase and the wider world believe it was happening. I partly blame the club for that too, as they let him run with that story knowing full well it probably couldn't happen as we were clearly unlikely to make Europe from late January. Part of it was Rodgers covering his own hide, of course, but part of it was true - we do need better options in multiple areas. Now he's back-pedalling, constantly regressing expectations, to a point now we negativity around the fan base is huge and we have this extremely dangerous narrative in the media that we're a club in crisis, on the edge of financial ruin and struggling on the pitch. It's very difficult for Rodgers and the players to be their best in that environment. 

 

This summer has been a total cluster****. We've struggled to do anything and are fighting to hold onto assets we want to keep and have invested in new contracts. It feels we're constantly resetting what we want to achieve. Even last week, we went from Rodgers expecting Fofana to be with us and not for sale, to being removed from the squad in a game he desperately needed a win in within the space of 24 hours. We have contract issues with Tielemans and Soyuncu which appear no closer to being resolved than they were at the full time whistle last season, and the Fofana saga rumbles on. We can't shift the players we don't want - we've managed a deal for Schmeichel, a loan for Hamza, and swapped our 3rd choice keepers. All of those deals on paper seem decent business but it's not enough.

 

On top of that, we're 10 days away from the window closing and he clearly isn't going to get the funds he needs to bring in the players he claims to need to do his job effectively. The board can either break their sustainability model, back Rodgers, and soak up the financial pressure or leave us sitting tight. They're far more likely to do the latter and regardless it's a little late to change tact now.

 

So in summary - we're horribly out of form, have no manoeuvrability in the transfer market, morale in the fanbase is the lowest it's been since Puel left, and we've got a raft of top performers misfiring or pushing for an exit. I just can't see him fixing this. I expect us to lose to Chelsea, United and at Brighton and be rock bottom with 6 games played on a single point. If Rodgers hasn't walked by then I think he'll be pushed. It's a thoroughly ****ing depressing time to be a Leicester fan, and quite unthinkable that we've missed Europe once and we're in such a mess. I don't think any of us expected this, and it still feels like a bit of a bombshell.

 

A change in manager represents a gamble, and this isn't all on Rodgers but we have to freshen something up. We're very stale and on the slide in terms of performance. If we don't get some luck in terms of offers/opportunities to move on the likes of Vestergaard, Bertrand, Soumare, or get a monster offer for Fofana, or shift Tielemans and Soyuncu for good money we won't be able to freshen up the playing squad. A managerial change might then be our only viable option, but with Rodgers' contract it will set us back financially. 

 

I'm at the stage now where survival would represent a decent season and we can collect ourselves together next season when we have more players out of contract. It feels like that this is the club's plan too. We're going to hit pause and hold our breath for a year. For me, Rodgers is not that man to work in that environment and we are risking a catastrophic season with major long term impact. We have to gamble on either a new manager to maximise the squad, or invest and lay down a sizeable net transfer spend to give our current manger some of what he says he needs and soak up the financial costs of that. I don't care what we do as Rodgers is out of credit with me but I'm increasingly nervous and uncomfortable with our current trajectory. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

7 minutes ago, BigMicky said:

Do you honestly belive that?? Or is it more akin to some of the players we have not being able to handle pressure at the very highest level. The reason we didn't finish 4th was due to this,  the players couldn't handle it and came up short. There is a reason they play for us and are not all starting for any of the top 4. Think about it.

But this viewpoint also begs the question, why are we paying our manager what we are ? We seem to have real issue with pressure - not all of it at the highest level. Even when it comes to defending against Southampton or Brentford for 20 minutes. There’s a mentality failure here and of course the players take some blame but it’s not predominantly in their court. 

[RoboFox]

Malaise FC.

 

I'm just so bored of it now. Something needs to happen so I can go back to looking forward to games again. 

[sdb]

Just now, Dames said:

One thing is certain though, the board have to take their share of the blame for this.

 

They had a choice to back Rodgers or sack Rodgers and they chose neither. Instead they've just tightened the purse strings and slinked away to stick their heads in the sand and hope everything turns out ok. 

 

The way we have started this season could see us in genuine relegation trouble and absolutely nothing is being done about it. A lot of blame can be attributed to Rodgers but a lot of upstairs decisions have not helped him in the slightest. 

 

 

I think they're after a bit of a stand off to be honest. "Work with the large and expensive squad you've assembled or don't." I don't blame them in one sense, but this manager clearly doesn't seem to be on the same page.

[coalvillefox]

He has taken training this morning by all accounts so as you where folks

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 minute ago, Tommy G said:

Yes it can cost you your job, but at the same time most decisions need collective board approval - not just one individual - especially remuneration and contract length of key personnel - namely the manager! I'm on the board of a business and that is how things work.

Yeah, that’s not what I’m saying. Sitting on the board of a business is one thing. Sitting on the board of a multimillion pound business is another. Top has every right to question why his club has its hands tied - it doesn’t mean there has been many mistakes. But to pretend it doesn’t need a discussion and fact finding, is not the way it will be done. 

[MattFox]

2 minutes ago, coalvillefox said:

He has taken training this morning by all accounts so as you where folks

Booooo

[Dames]

Just now, sdb said:

I think they're after a bit of a stand off to be honest. "Work with the large and expensive squad you've assembled or don't." I don't blame them in one sense, but this manager clearly doesn't seem to be on the same page.

Its not just Rodgers thats assembled it though and he has dropped clangers with Congerton (Perez, Vesty and Betrand) he's also been lumbered with players that he probably didn't want and the balance of the squad didn't need (Soumare, Daka).

 

It seems like behind the scenes its Rudkin vs Rodgers and neither wants to concede which is having a huge detrimental effect on the club. 

[StanSP]

Heard he's now been given until the Man Utd game. Stockport game is irrelevant. 

 

So Chelsea away and Man Utd home are his final chances. 

[coolhandfox]

5 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Again - Rodgers was vocal about liking working with a small squad. 

 

He's putting the pressure on for transfers now but when it was important to strengthen he chose not to. 

Don't believe he would have chosen not to.

 

He's made lots of mistakes but his not to blame for everything.

[Tommy G]

Just now, Mickyblueeyes said:

Yeah, that’s not what I’m saying. Sitting on the board of a business is one thing. Sitting on the board of a multimillion pound business is another. Top has every right to question why his club has its hands tied - it doesn’t mean there has been many mistakes. But to pretend it doesn’t need a discussion and fact finding, is not the way it will be done. 

What are you talking about, Top is the Chairman, he is on the board! He will be signing off the decisons alongside the CEO, CFO and any other other NED's or execs on the board. The process of how decisions are made doesnt really change whether a business is £10m in tuenover or £500m - normally is the number of people on the board in a governance position to make those decisons. What business are you comparing LCFC to? FWIW the business I work for, turnover is about £40m  

[coolhandfox]

Just now, StanSP said:

Heard he's now been given until the Man Utd game. Stockport game is irrelevant. 

 

So Chelsea away and Man Utd home are his final chances. 

He's toast then basically.

[KFS]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

Heard he's now been given until the Man Utd game. Stockport game is irrelevant. 

 

So Chelsea away and Man Utd home are his final chances. 

So basically he’s gone then  

[Happy Fox]

Just now, StanSP said:

Heard he's now been given until the Man Utd game. Stockport game is irrelevant. 

 

So Chelsea away and Man Utd home are his final chances. 

Hopefully the board are sounding out his replacements there is no chance we get 6 points from those two games.

[Ginger_Filbert]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Heard he's now been given until the Man Utd game. Stockport game is irrelevant. 

 

So Chelsea away and Man Utd home are his final chances. 

Would he be aware of this himself? Wonder if they’ve tried to stick a rocket up his arse. 

[sacreblueits442]

45 minutes ago, AjcW said:

I think he meant Congerton was hired via recruitment firm

 

Which I actually find plausable... if you're a lazy recruitment firm (they all are) your first call is probably to the bloke your new manager has worked with on several occassions  

....I find this hard to believe!!!

If that was really the process that brought him here then someone at the club needs to monitor Foxestalk to get the lowdown on what is happening out here in the football world. I know the owners were very limited in their knowledge of the football scenery and relied heavily on Rudkin to guide them through it, and day by day it seems they are still reliant on the same someone, whilst failing to gain the knowledge that they need to make informed decisions.

  This forum was littered with posters saying Congerton was a liability, do not touch, and he was subsequently recruited apparently in a process that did not involve his best buddy. Unreal!!

[Dames]

5 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Heard he's now been given until the Man Utd game. Stockport game is irrelevant. 

 

So Chelsea away and Man Utd home are his final chances. 

If this is true then its a shocker.

 

The club just seem desperate to get through this window without spending any money. If they sack him before then any new manager would expect funds or at least a signing or two to lift the place before they join.

[HankMarvin]

2 minutes ago, Ginger_Filbert said:

Would he be aware of this himself? Wonder if they’ve tried to stick a rocket up his arse. 

Wouldn’t mean a rocket up his arse, it would be like winning the lottery if you get the boot with that payout.

Yeah his reputation takes a hit but for potentially 10-15m it’s worth it 

[lgfualol]

Ffs dont give him longer, we'll get smashed by Chelsea and Man Utd (despite their form we'll surely give them too much respect and get shat on), and possibly knocked out of the only cup we might be able to get far in.

[Finnegan]

6 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Heard he's now been given until the Man Utd game. Stockport game is irrelevant. 

 

So Chelsea away and Man Utd home are his final chances. 

 

I always find it completely senseless when stuff like this comes out at football clubs. 

 

It always seems to be "you have two games to save your job!" cool, who are we playing next? Oh right, two of the biggest clubs in world football. OK then. 

 

 

I don't just mean us but broadly across football how often have we seen it.