Brendan Rodgers

[casablancas]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

don't think shifting out Preat was a good idea bit of a weird one as much as I like BR he does make some odd decisions at times maybe its effecting things slightly.

Perhaps he wanted game time?

[Phil Bowman]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

don't think shifting out Preat was a good idea

Preat out! Shipman out! Sack the Board!

[The People's Hero]

PREATOUT PREATOUT PREATOUT
 

Wait. What?

[kiwiturk]

Interesting article.

https://sport.optus.com.au/articles/os32193/premier-league-talking-points-leicester-solskjaer-salah-wissa-brentford

[Albert]

4 hours ago, StevieLynex said:

Pep is basically ten times the Manager that BR aspires to be - how can you compare the two?

Are you factoring in that Pep had the luxury of spending £300m at Barcelona, £200m at Bayern & £1bn at Man City on transfers even though each of those clubs already had one of the best squads in their respective leagues before he took them over as manager into your assessment?

[UpTheLeagueFox]

7 hours ago, StevieLynex said:

Pep is basically ten times the Manager that BR aspires to be - how can you compare the two?

 

2 hours ago, Albert said:

Are you factoring in that Pep had the luxury of spending £300m at Barcelona, £200m at Bayern & £1bn at Man City on transfers even though each of those clubs already had one of the best squads in their respective leagues before he took them over as manager into your assessment?

@Albert with the mic drop there 

[st albans fox]

6 hours ago, Albert said:

Are you factoring in that Pep had the luxury of spending £300m at Barcelona, £200m at Bayern & £1bn at Man City on transfers even though each of those clubs already had one of the best squads in their respective leagues before he took them over as manager into your assessment?

Pep reminds me of the billionaire socialist who’s a brilliant businessman ….. 

 

fair play that he’s managed to achieve what he has and he certainly is v talented but it’s easier to be a socialist (wouldn’t we all want everyone to have more) when you’ve got billions in the bank …..

 

 

[HighPeakFox]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Pep reminds me of the billionaire socialist who’s a brilliant businessman ….. 

 

fair play that he’s managed to achieve what he has and he certainly is v talented but it’s easier to be a socialist (wouldn’t we all want everyone to have more) when you’ve got billions in the bank …..

Why are you bringing socialism into this?

[drumbeat]

1 minute ago, pmcla26 said:

Without reading the rest of what you've put, I'd suggest the only reason you don't like it is because you are one of the entitled fans. The state of our fanbase at the moment is embarrassing. 

Wow. Just wow.

 

Did you not sleep well?

[volpeazzurro]

13 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Well, what other reason is there not to like it? 

It's plainly obvious. National media are picking up on it and the King Power Stadium has gone from one of the best atmospheres in the country to a library in 5 years. Our fans hate Maddison, who is arguably one of our best ever Premier League players. There's a meltdown on here every time we lose. We have a large amount of entitled fans, why do you not like a fact being stated?

https://images.app.goo.gl/ueSKJZuQuAWNzxqn6

[drumbeat]

You should have read the rest of my post....

 

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Of course, it is also possibly justifiably used in certain cases! Say, if people do have an undue sense of expectation.

I simply don't like the word being used as frequently and easily as it is as a label to dismiss peoples genuine concerns. It's become a 'go to' put down.

 

But this is a debate that goes around and around. Some people think player x is shit, some don't - end of, no middle ground.

[An Sionnach]

There is no answer to our problems in the transfer market. We have six new players in the current squad , Rodgers has all the players (when fit) he needs at this time. We are lacking cohesion ,which is not surprising given the new players. The other major problem, to me anyway , is our core midfielders, Tielemans, Maddison and Ndidi are way off form. Maddison is going through a bad period as we all have commented on and the other two are showing clear signs of burnout. This has obviously affected our performances and Rodgers will have to address this pretty  soon. How? I don't know ,that is his job.

[drumbeat]

6 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

There is no answer to our problems in the transfer market.

What's your take on Evans' situation?

 

My concern is that he is nearing the end of his career and his injury might well advance that. His experience is valuable at the back. Do you see Cags and/or Fofana being able to perform that role any time soon?

 

I think Vestegard was bought as cover, as a squad player. I don't think it was the intention for him to be first pick. The injuries to Fofana and Evans have messed the plans up, and we're now having to make do.

 

If Evans' injury doesn't clear up, I can see us at least looking at the CBs available in the next window.

[An Sionnach]

Just now, drumbeat said:

What's your take on Evans' situation?

 

My concern is that he is nearing the end of his career and his injury might well advance that. His experience is valuable at the back. Do you see Cags and/or Fofana being able to perform that role any time soon?

 

I think Vestegard was bought as cover, as a squad player. I don't think it was the intention for him to be first pick. The injuries to Fofana and Evans have messed the plans up, and we're now having to make do.

 

If Evans' injury doesn't clear up, I can see us at least looking at the CBs available in the next window.

I have said , often enough , that we should have gone that bit further and signed Tarkowski who would have been an ideal successor to Evans. He is clearly a better player that Vestagaard. He will be a free agent next year but will then be in high demand. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and pay up.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said:

Why are you bringing socialism into this?

I like the analogy - 

 

could have used Branson and his virgin empire or trump and his property empire  - always helps when your old man finances you !

 

but I like the one I used more ….

 

[HighPeakFox]

13 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I like the analogy - 

 

could have used Branson and his virgin empire or trump and his property empire  - always helps when your old man finances you !

 

but I like the one I used more ….

 

Ok, not a fan but point taken.

[sacreblueits442]

48 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

I have said , often enough , that we should have gone that bit further and signed Tarkowski who would have been an ideal successor to Evans. He is clearly a better player that Vestagaard. He will be a free agent next year but will then be in high demand. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and pay up.

....not sure Burnley would not have asked a ridiculous price for Tarkowski!!!

Whether in his last season or not, they would have been looking for £30m + for us to pick him up with us in the situation we were in. Paying £15m for a emergency defender seemed a good option on a player we have previously pondered on acquiring. We have to accept that with Vestergaard he has limitations and that is going to make us change our approach to the way we set up in games. The fact that we choose to play a highline is not down to Vestergaard.

   Tarkowski is an option and perhaps there is already an agreement for him to come here next season but we have to deal with the here and now and at this moment the team seems unsettled and not as cohesive as they were last season.

  We need to take a look at this and go back to basic where we play to the strengths of our available players and tweaking Ndidi's  role in relation to being part of the forward play, it is not working, and we need to let the players feel comfortable in their roles and to give the opportunities to players who are adequate replacements, but allowing underperforming players to continue to play, and fail to give the replacements the time on the pitch they clearly need.

  Rodgers works best with a small squad, the fact that in order to be successful, you require depth (an expansion of the squad) but he needs to utilise these options, and it seems difficult for Rodgers to come to grips with this paradox.

[deep blue]

1 hour ago, An Sionnach said:

I have said , often enough , that we should have gone that bit further and signed Tarkowski who would have been an ideal successor to Evans. He is clearly a better player that Vestagaard. He will be a free agent next year but will then be in high demand. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and pay up.

Maybe worth beating the competition for Tarkowski by going for him in the Jan window.  His value will surely have depreciated at that time, with only 6 months of his contract to run.

 

Of course, we could negotiate with him then to take him on a free next summer but (a) the competition may be more intense (b) he may demand a large signing-on fee anyway and (c) most importantly, he wouldn't be available to us until next season.

 

If Evans is truly crocked and Vestergaard proves not to be good enough as first choice then we need Tarkowski, or someone similar, ASAP.

[drumbeat]

59 minutes ago, deep blue said:

If Evans is truly crocked and Vestergaard proves not to be good enough as first choice then we need Tarkowski, or someone similar, ASAP.

That was kind of my thinking. Nobody could have forseen that tackle on Fofana, nor (perhaps not) Evans' continuing injury problems. So we are now where we are and having to deal with it.

 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and we can say now that we ought have splashed the cash for 1st choice CB back in the summer but we didn't. It's what we do know that interests me rather than what we didn't do then. I don't want hopes pinned on Fofana's return this year, but then I'm sure there's a realistic appraisal of defensive situation going on. I don't think we've got the cash to make a headline deal so it just makes me wonder what plans we might have. Of course, if Evans is fine and Fofana does come back both on time and on song then the question goes away - at least for this season.

[daddylonglegs]

5 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Well, what other reason is there not to like it? 

It's plainly obvious. National media are picking up on it and the King Power Stadium has gone from one of the best atmospheres in the country to a library in 5 years. Our fans hate Maddison, who is arguably one of our best ever Premier League players. There's a meltdown on here every time we lose. We have a large amount of entitled fans, why do you not like a fact being stated?

[Steve Earle]

I've not visited the forum as often as I used to as I've no wish to read the usual over-reaction on here. But in the hope that it helps some of us, here's why I share being disappointed by our results so far but I'm neither frustrated nor in any way surprised:

 

• Fofana's injury - losing one of our key 5 or 6 players for most of the season against Villareal tempered my hope from top 5/6 to top 5/8. It also meant we had to spend on a CB when RW needed addressing.
• Evans' plantar fasciitis - has still not played 90 minutes in the Premier League, but he is the rock upon which our defence is founded. If/when he's fit to play regularly, our form will pick up.
• Vestegaard and Bertrand are still getting used to their new club and its style of play, as is Lookman. None look 100% fit.
• Soumare and Daka are adapting to the pace and physicality of the Premier League, as well as living in a new country and working with new teammates
• Ricardo, Barnes and Maddison are still working their ways back to full fitness and form
• JJ

Given all of that, I took the view pre-season that it'd be likely October/November before we hit our straps. When everything clicks into place, we'll look a top 6 side again. For now, we have to accept that there at least ten teams in a better moment than us. Our time will come, and Rodgers will again show that he's an elite manager. For now, let's look at the big picture, and not jump on the manager's back for every decision we personally disagree with.

 

Here endeth...

[sheffield_fox]

3 minutes ago, Steve Earle said:

I've not visited the forum as often as I used to as I've no wish to read the usual over-reaction on here. But in the hope that it helps some of us, here's why I share being disappointed by our results so far but I'm neither frustrated nor in any way surprised:

 

• Fofana's injury - losing one of our key 5 or 6 players for most of the season against Villareal tempered my hope from top 5/6 to top 5/8. It also meant we had to spend on a CB when RW needed addressing.
• Evans' plantar fasciitis - has still not played 90 minutes in the Premier League, but he is the rock upon which our defence is founded. If/when he's fit to play regularly, our form will pick up.
• Vestegaard and Bertrand are still getting used to their new club and its style of play, as is Lookman. None look 100% fit.
• Soumare and Daka are adapting to the pace and physicality of the Premier League, as well as living in a new country and working with new teammates
• Ricardo, Barnes and Maddison are still working their ways back to full fitness and form
• JJ

Given all of that, I took the view pre-season that it'd be likely October/November before we hit our straps. When everything clicks into place, we'll look a top 6 side again. For now, we have to accept that there at least ten teams in a better moment than us. Our time will come, and Rodgers will again show that he's an elite manager. For now, let's look at the big picture, and not jump on the manager's back for every decision we personally disagree with.

 

Here endeth...

Superb post. I totally agree. 

 

I imagine the coaching staff will be thinking along these lines too. 

[messerschmitt]

20 minutes ago, Steve Earle said:

I've not visited the forum as often as I used to as I've no wish to read the usual over-reaction on here. But in the hope that it helps some of us, here's why I share being disappointed by our results so far but I'm neither frustrated nor in any way surprised:

 

• Fofana's injury - losing one of our key 5 or 6 players for most of the season against Villareal tempered my hope from top 5/6 to top 5/8. It also meant we had to spend on a CB when RW needed addressing.
• Evans' plantar fasciitis - has still not played 90 minutes in the Premier League, but he is the rock upon which our defence is founded. If/when he's fit to play regularly, our form will pick up.
• Vestegaard and Bertrand are still getting used to their new club and its style of play, as is Lookman. None look 100% fit.
• Soumare and Daka are adapting to the pace and physicality of the Premier League, as well as living in a new country and working with new teammates
• Ricardo, Barnes and Maddison are still working their ways back to full fitness and form
• JJ

Given all of that, I took the view pre-season that it'd be likely October/November before we hit our straps. When everything clicks into place, we'll look a top 6 side again. For now, we have to accept that there at least ten teams in a better moment than us. Our time will come, and Rodgers will again show that he's an elite manager. For now, let's look at the big picture, and not jump on the manager's back for every decision we personally disagree with.

 

Here endeth...

I don't even think it's that bad, looking at the Brighton game, are we ever going to get a run of decisions against us like that again? and Burnley, that own goal and the blocks they managed not one fell in our favour. They'd be very lucky to play that game again and get anything out of it. We could so easily have won both games even playing as we did. those extra 5 points would have made a massive difference to the league. We haven't even got in gear yet. If we could cut out the defensive mistakes we could still be winning games and as you point out your above points are only going to favour us. Things could look very different in a  few games.

[drumbeat]

yebbut, sod the results, we were shit for large parts of the game against both Burnley and Brighton

[Steve Earle]

38 minutes ago, sheffield_fox said:

Superb post. I totally agree. 

 

I imagine the coaching staff will be thinking along these lines too. 

Thanks - just my roundabout way of saying I don't think our current form is about tactics or selection...