Brendan Rodgers

[CosbehFox]

15 minutes ago, kristianity77 said:

Rodgers is not a good manager.   Take out the Celtic success (which is proven that literally any manager can achieve) and hes not actually done that much.   Hes more known for his teams capitulating rather than winning anything.

 

Liverpool, snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

2 absolutely woeful crashes in form in successive seasons to blow 2 Champions League spots with Leicester.

 

His hangovers from bad spells are legendary.   After Liverpool blew the title, that form, carried well in to the following season until he was sacked.   At Leicester, twice he couldnt ressurrect form when we dropped out of the CL spots, and it needed end of season to press the reset button.

 

This season, even the summer reset button hasn't worked.  We are on a one way street to disaster if he continues.   Hes that bad a motivator, that bad a tactician, that bad a manager.  Hes not top tier like the media make him out to be.

Sorry at Celtic he achieves unprecedented success and Liverpool he brought back from a middle table team. He’s a good manager to a point - and he fails to ‘go again’ at the end of a cycle. 

[WinslowFox]

Is he still here?

[Matt]

2 hours ago, turkish14 said:

Wanting to leave doesn’t mean deliberate self sabotage of own performances, I struggle to see the link. Besides your attributing players wanting to leave with discord within.

 

I am no Brendan fan, I want him gone, but my own perspectives….

 

obv Fofana the exception who has downed tools, so I get that.

 

The others you mention…

 

Youri: If you believe other reports loves Charnwood, family settled. But waiting to see how we do/if a better offer comes in. Come on who wouldn’t do this? He gives 100% on the pitch (see my first point) and what’s right win things. 

 

Schmeichel  (again if you believe reports) always wanted to finish his career playing abroad. Could this have been his best chance? This opting to take it.

 

soumare: Was this not “homesickness” or so was mentioned? 

 

Cags: If he does want to leave, then who can blame a bench player. If he indeed refused a contract (not doubting) then again until we know his reasoning is it fair to label players?

 

my point being wanting to leave (if true) doesn’t mean players play crap, they want to appeal to clubs not put off. Plus their reasons for leaving can go way beyond simply not being picked or issues with the manager.

 

 

I didn’t realise you were talking about self sabotage I thought you just wonder who wanted to leave and I gave a list, however I’ll come back at you with:

 

Youri, yes I’ve heard the reports he loves it here, I’ve also heard reports that he wants Champions League/Europa, for two summers now, as for he always give 100%, hmmm he’s been poor for a season and a bit now, whether that’s just poor form, dragging his heels or not giving 100% I’m not sure - it might answer questions as to why no one has come in for him though - maybe he should think about that.

 

Schmeichel, maybe that was his reasoning, very much like my thoughts on Vardy, I thought he was very committed, loyal and a staple of Leicester, we can begrudge his wishes to play abroad but I don’t think he was happy playing under Rodgers and reckon there had been some kind of bust up. The whole coming back to pre season weeks later than anyone else was bizarre. We can surmise and give different opinions on that one, we’re likely never to know either way.

 

Soumare, certainly seemed like personal issue, homesickness, who knows. It seemed like he was dead set on leaving, that’s what we’ve been told for quite a while, a big U-turn.

 

Soyuncu, I’m sorry, a bench player? Out of all the defenders we’ve got here I’d say he was our 2nd best CB, you’re calling him a bench player? It’s because he’s been frozen out - that’s what Rodgers does when your face doesn’t fit.

 

I wouldn't be surprised or blame Iheanacho if he wanted out (Infact, i'm surprised we haven't heard he wanted out) - for much the same reason as Soyuncu.

 

Edited 28 August 2022 by Matt

[I blame Wellens]

Remember under Puel’s reign I  kept on thinking it’s the manager, surely it’s the manager, the players are brilliant. Then towards the end I started to think the players weren’t as good as I thought. Then Rodgers came in and I reverted back to Puel  being crap.

 

Under Rodgers we have clearly played the best/most entertaining football in my lifetime -50 years. Then towards the end of those 2 fantastic 5th place finishes we played some of the most negative/predictable football I have ever seen. Then that style has stuck with us and we’ve continued with it. The injuries came, Covid meant we couldn’t spend our way out of it and when we did we bought crap and the defence crumbled. Worst still the manager started blaming everyone but himself. Used words like intensity - as Puel did- and passive every week and could do nothing about it.

 

Now we have a manager who really doesn’t look like he wants to be here. A football team where we can predict what happens in every game. 
 

As for the team I don’t think it’s the question I asked under Puel. I think every fan knows that Maddison, KDH and Castagne are the only consistent performers at the moment. After that there is a large group out of form or very inconsistent - which come as know surprise with the clear lack of leadership of the pitch. And there are players who are just not good enough and we all know who they are.

Sadly, the only answer is for Rodgers to go…sometimes  I have thought  he could turn it around… but I don’t know if he has the motivation to do so anymore 

 

[Corky]

I'm sure the rhetoric will be ramped up soon about the lack of backing given to Rodgers so let's address it.

 

• He has been given an incredible contract financially.
• He has been allowed to bring in his own staff and mates to oversee transfers.
• The money we got for Maguire was reinvested into signing Tielemans, Perez, Justin and Praet.
• The money received for Chilwell was used to sign Fofana and Castagne.
• Last summer we sold no key players and spent good money on Daka, Soumare and Vestergaard whilst adding Bertrand for high wages.

This year he hasn't been backed (yet). But I really don't know what more could've been done over the past three years for him personally and professionally.

[Mickyblueeyes]

We have to also remember that once the rot kicks into a Rodgers reign, the next guy has one hell of a job to stop it. It took Klopp a few seasons. Celtic completely nose dived the season after. Once that negativity is around the place, putting a halt to it is very hard.

[mozartfox]

What I find really ironic is that we have had to find a specialist defensive coach as amongst the current crew of 5(?) coaches currently in situ, not one of them can resolve our defensive issues.  If and when he goes, we need a total clear out.

[Guest ttfn]

6 minutes ago, Corky said:

I'm sure the rhetoric will be ramped up soon about the lack of backing given to Rodgers so let's address it.

 

• He has been given an incredible contract financially.
• He has been allowed to bring in his own staff and mates to oversee transfers.
• The money we got for Maguire was reinvested into signing Tielemans, Perez, Justin and Praet.
• The money received for Chilwell was used to sign Fofana and Castagne.
• Last summer we sold no key players and spent good money on Daka, Soumare and Vestergaard whilst adding Bertrand for high wages.

This year he hasn't been backed (yet). But I really don't know what more could've been done over the past three years for him personally and professionally.

And a £100m training facility to help improve the existing players’ performance.

[foxinsocks]

Cmon Top... cut him loose

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

10 minutes ago, Corky said:

I'm sure the rhetoric will be ramped up soon about the lack of backing given to Rodgers so let's address it.

 

• He has been given an incredible contract financially.
• He has been allowed to bring in his own staff and mates to oversee transfers.
• The money we got for Maguire was reinvested into signing Tielemans, Perez, Justin and Praet.
• The money received for Chilwell was used to sign Fofana and Castagne.
• Last summer we sold no key players and spent good money on Daka, Soumare and Vestergaard whilst adding Bertrand for high wages.

This year he hasn't been backed (yet). But I really don't know what more could've been done over the past three years for him personally and professionally.

So its all Rodgers fault and none of the blame lies elsewhere?

 

As far as I'm aware he's not in charge of signings. 

Edited 28 August 2022 by Chocolate Teapot

[BeaumontFox]

Any news @Bert 😅

[Md9]

Normally you would give the manager a bit of a chance with games against Chelsea and utd but that Chelsea team was the worst team they have had for years and they were down to ten men for 60 mins we should have beaten them. If he doesn’t go after that he ain’t going for a while 

[Corky]

1 minute ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

So its all Rodgers fault and none of the blame lies elsewhere?

Of course it isn't all his fault and I never said it was. I'm hearing more that he hasn't been backed and I dispute it.

[Wink]

2 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

Martin Cockshaw #FBPE

 

@martincockshaw

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7m

 

BREAKING NEWS: Brendan Rodgers has left Leicester City this morning. Club set to announce the news soon. The iconic Rodgers Foxes era is over. Sad news as Brendan is a great guy. Roberto Mancini has serious interest. #LCFC #Rodgers #Mancini
 

If only  Sean from Enderby was believable 

Sad I wish Cockshaw was a real person and ITK right now

[SouthStandUpperTier]

Whether he's been backed or not doesn't alter the fact that he should be getting more out of the squad as it is.

[String fellow]

1 hour ago, kristianity77 said:

Rodgers is not a good manager.   Take out the Celtic success (which is proven that literally any manager can achieve) and hes not actually done that much.   Hes more known for his teams capitulating rather than winning anything.

 

Liverpool, snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

2 absolutely woeful crashes in form in successive seasons to blow 2 Champions League spots with Leicester.

 

His hangovers from bad spells are legendary.   After Liverpool blew the title, that form, carried well in to the following season until he was sacked.   At Leicester, twice he couldnt ressurrect form when we dropped out of the CL spots, and it needed end of season to press the reset button.

 

This season, even the summer reset button hasn't worked.  We are on a one way street to disaster if he continues.   Hes that bad a motivator, that bad a tactician, that bad a manager.  Hes not top tier like the media make him out to be.

Any fair review of Rodgers' managerial career would include a mention of his undoubted success with Swansea, having got them promoted in his first season there in 2010, when he took over from Paulo Sousa. It was followed by a very respectable mid-table finish in the PL the following season. Prior to that he'd had no luck in helping C'ship Reading get out of trouble. But before he joined them, he'd transformed C'ship Watford from a relegation side into a mid-table side.

So he has proved himself to be a relatively successful manager in England, and a very successful one in both Wales and Scotland.

Having said that, it feels as though he is now a spent force at Leicester, so maybe a new challenge would invigorate his career, perhaps at Aston Villa.  

Edited 28 August 2022 by String fellow

[turkish14]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

I didn’t realise you were talking about self sabotage I thought you just wonder who wanted to leave and I gave a list, however I’ll come back at you with:

 

Youri, yes I’ve heard the reports he loves it here, I’ve also heard reports that he wants Champions League/Europa, for two summers now, as for he always give 100%, hmmm he’s been poor for a season and a bit now, whether that’s just poor form, dragging his heels or not giving 100% I’m not sure - it might answer questions as to why no one has come in for him though - maybe he should think about that.

 

Schmeichel, maybe that was his reasoning, very much like my thoughts on Vardy, I thought he was very committed, loyal and a staple of Leicester, we can begrudge his wishes to play abroad but I don’t think he was happy playing under Rodgers and reckon there had been some kind of bust up. The whole coming back to pre season weeks later than anyone else was bizarre. We can surmise and give different opinions on that one, we’re likely never to know either way.

 

Soumare, certainly seemed like personal issue, homesickness, who knows. It seemed like he was dead set on leaving, that’s what we’ve been told for quite a while, a big U-turn.

 

Soyuncu, I’m sorry, a bench player? Out of all the defenders we’ve got here I’d say he was our 2nd best CB, you’re calling him a bench player? It’s because he’s been frozen out - that’s what Rodgers does when your face doesn’t fit.

 

I wouldn't be surprised or blame Iheanacho if he wanted out (Infact, i'm surprised we haven't heard he wanted out) - for much the same reason as Soyuncu.

 

Yes it was a genuine question Asked in haste at the time, as I don’t feel lots of players want out Fofana exception.

 

We will have to disagree on Youri performances lacking effort. Quality yes, lots more mistakes yes, but I don’t feel that his heart isn’t in it or he isn’t trying. He is one of the few players that tries to get the crowd going.

 

As you mention vards in the same sentence as Kasper, I think they were loyal to Vichai (maybe Top) but not Leicester per se. I said in another thread, Vards strikes me now as being someone who has achieved more then expected and very much going through the motions (I’m not saying he is crap or lacking effort) just that he is that he has eyes 👀 n his future beyond football, for it to not mean as much.

 

Cags, No I wasn’t suggesting he should be a bench player, more that he is. He should be playing alongside Johnny. That said he has been poor at times last season, that He merited dropping in my opinion. Why he has still been benched None of us know, but if rumours of an attitude thing, then who do we blame? 
 

Kele I agree, and I think he should be starting with two upfront as playing as alone striker he lacked the IQ and speed to break behind the lines. 

[volpeazzurro]

24 minutes ago, String fellow said:

Any fair review of Rodgers' managerial career would include a mention of his undoubted success with Swansea, having got them promoted in his first season there in 2010, when he took over from Paulo Sousa. It was followed by a very respectable mid-table finish in the PL the following season. Prior to that he'd had no luck in helping C'ship Reading get out of trouble. But before he joined them, he'd transformed C'ship Watford from a relegation side into a mid-table side.

So he has proved himself to be a relatively successful manager in England, and a very successful one in both Wales and Scotland.

Having said that, it feels as though he is now a spent force at Leicester, so maybe a new challenge would invigorate his career, perhaps at Aston Villa.  

Genuinely don't know the answer to this. Re Swansea, could it be said that rather like Liverpool, Celtic and Leicester, he inherited a good team and set up from Sousa and had two good seasons before he jumped ship to Liverpool. Wonder what would have happened the next season at Swansea if he'd have stayed?

[Ric Flair]

35 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

So its all Rodgers fault and none of the blame lies elsewhere?

 

As far as I'm aware he's not in charge of signings. 

He's publicly said he has the final say on ALL signings. 

[SheppyFox]

Try and call Brendan, the popular 80s ladies name, Brendan (minus the n off the end) you will find this censored forum doesn’t allow you to type this name. It’s almost as hilarious as it is sad. I’ve never seen mark and Brendan in the same room, have you?

[coolhandfox]

The self life for most managers is 2.5 years, Rodgers has done a good job overall.

 

But it just gone stale and we need a change.

 

 

[Ric Flair]

8 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

Try and call Brendan, the popular 80s ladies name, Brendan (minus the n off the end) you will find this censored forum doesn’t allow you to type this name. It’s almost as hilarious as it is sad. I’ve never seen mark and Brendan in the same room, have you?

Todgers is still working

[Will1981]

8 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

Try and call Brendan, the popular 80s ladies name, Brendan (minus the n off the end) you will find this censored forum doesn’t allow you to type this name. It’s almost as hilarious as it is sad. I’ve never seen mark and Brendan in the same room, have you?

But it doesn't autocorrect all the fans who think his name is Rogers.

[Corky]

41 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

He's publicly said he has the final say on ALL signings. 

Given he wanted Congerton you'd imagine they'd be close to agreeing on new signings in any case.

[Unabomber]

43 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

He's publicly said he has the final say on ALL signings. 

This is a fact