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Brendan Rodgers

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lcfcbluearmy

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9 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

They often say history repeats itself, almost anything in football has happened. 
 

That’s why having a little look at leeds’s fall from grace hits a little too close to home. 

 

O’leary came in and spent 2/3 years absolutely bossing it. Hitting dizzying heights and a european semi final… before it all came crashing down. Their owners had been taking bank loans against future predicted income, based on reaching europe again. Something that our owners have done on premier league income. 

 

Leeds were crushed because they believed o’leary would continue to deliver what he had at first…. something he couldn’t do. Something that brendan also can’t do. 

 

The more i read about his time there and how it ended, the more i am alarmed about ourselves 

 

In short, this isn’t the first time a club have over backed a manager after initial success and clubs like us and leeds can’t turn the ship around as fast as big clubs. 

I do see the parallels but its important to point out the loans against future income that our owners have taken out are against income that we are guaranteed to receive throuout this season no matter where we finish so it's not quite the same/ anywhere near as reckless as what Leeds did. We just got the loan for cash flow purposes so we get the money all at once at the start of the season rather than gradually through out. 

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I'm ill as **** and not going to make the game. A shame as I was planning on being vocally anti Rodgers all ****ing game. 

 

 

If we don't win tonight then can you lot please do what any decent supporters should do and turn the place toxic as **** towards the manager. 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, alanf0x said:

Interesting interview with David Cotterill who played for him at Swansea:

- Best training sessions put on as manager in his career 

- He missed 2 consecutive penalties, so Rodgers took him out of the first team squad and made train with the under 21s. Holds grudges. Reminded me of Cags being dropped following Spurs away last year and not seen since

- Liked to ship out a senior player at each club to show who is boss (Kasper for us)

- Has a click of players and knows everything about them, families / friends etc. But if not in that group, made to feel isolated. Could picture that happening now

- When your playing for him and it is going good, it’s great, but it quickly changes (again can picture that now) 

- Tried to mentally break him. Called him in to train alone at weekends. In training games, didn’t blow up for fouls to hopefully get him to react with other players to give him an excuse to get him out

 

Im sure most managers are the same, but a good insight to Rodgers behind the scenes. 

I’ve heard way too many stories about Rodgers like this from players and other footballing professionals for it not to be true. Some of the stuff he got up to at Liverpool was bordering on sociopathic by many accounts. 

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1 hour ago, Lako42 said:

I'm ill as **** and not going to make the game. A shame as I was planning on being vocally anti Rodgers all ****ing game. 

 

 

If we don't win tonight then can you lot please do what any decent supporters should do and turn the place toxic as **** towards the manager. 

 

 

 


I am staying home, I cannot be arsed to go, it’s my birthday in all, only silver lining is hopefully Rodgers gets sacked tonight here is hoping regardless of the result.

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3 hours ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

I do see the parallels but its important to point out the loans against future income that our owners have taken out are against income that we are guaranteed to receive throuout this season no matter where we finish so it's not quite the same/ anywhere near as reckless as what Leeds did. We just got the loan for cash flow purposes so we get the money all at once at the start of the season rather than gradually through out. 

unfortunately not fully. We have taken out a loan on future premier league money, which we are planning to use the parachute payments for if we get relegated. With the wages we have and the struggle to offload big wages we already have, not having those payments would absolutely cripple us. 
 

What would happen, is we would have a fire sale of our big assets but the money generated would probably just be used to cover the wages. We will be in the championship with vestergarde on 80k and vardy on over 100k all while needing new players to cover the ones leaving.  We are more up shit creak than i think people realise.  Villa were only fine margins away from going bust after missing promotion in that first year…. personally, I think we would be in the same boat with the level of contracts we’ve set up. 

 

Clubs will know this as well, they aren’t coming in with 60m for barnes that will become 30 when we are in the championship 

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On 17/10/2022 at 15:54, Weller Wing said:

So you think we might get a home win v Leeds and 3 away wins at Wolverhampton, West Ham and Everton , after losing to a woeful Bournemouth and failing to score v a very uninterested Palace?

 

 

I'm saying that is the best possible scenario I could imagine. I don't think it is likely.

 

In fairness the current position of those 4 teams is 16th, 18th, 15th and 13th and most teams would look at that as a potential for some good points.

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An Sionnach

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3 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

Checking Sky Bet….right now Rodgers to be the next manager to leave is 6/1.

 

HOW?!

 

Gerrard on the other hand 1/4…madness!

Gerrard is no doubt much cheaper to sack. Rodgers is a top businessman. Both come from shooting fish in a barrel in Scotland yet Rodgers has a much more expensive contract even though Gerrard is one of England's greatest ever players and Rodgers barely ever played.

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Don't know if this has been posted anywhere on here so.....

 

https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-leicester-seem-likely-to-need-to-employ-zack-rodgers-soon-after-all

Leicester City remain likely to need to employ Zack Rodgers sooner rather than later
Date published: Thursday 20th October 2022 9:14 - Ian King


A draw for Forest put Leicester back to the bottom of the Premier League. For how much longer can Brendan Rodgers stand this level of heat?

 

In terms of news stories, the reports that Leicester City would have to stop birthday messages at The King Power Stadium because of the mischief of their own supporters were equal parts amusing and instructive. On the one hand, it was difficult not to smile and the news that people were trying to get requests through for people called ‘Zack Rodgers’ or ‘Brendan Nout’ demonstrated the gallows humour of fans unhappy at the direction their team has taken since the start of this season.

But on the other, such actions demonstrate just how unhappy the club’s fans are. The atmosphere for their Saturday lunchtime could best be described as ‘febrile’, but while the evident nervousness in the stands as Leicester played out an insipid goalless draw with Crystal Palace seemed to transfer itself to the players, the nervous energy singularly failed to do so.

The final result didn’t seem to do anybody a great deal of good. A goalless home draw against another team in the bottom half of the Premier League table felt like neither flesh nor foul, neither good enough to start to quieten the increasingly noisy voices calling for manager Brendan Rodgers to be relieved of his duties or bad enough for the owners of the club to feel that they had to draw a line in the sand and call time on his time with the club, and the upshot of it all is that he remains at the club, an increasingly zombified presence hanging on with a team which has singularly failed to build upon its only reasonably impressive result of the season so far.

Leicester supporters could be forgiven for believing that the Nottingham Forest game was more than just over two weeks ago. A 4-0 home win in a relegation six-pointer against local rivals felt like the potential turning of a new leaf, but the two games they’ve played since then have resulted in just a single point, just a single goal, and a return to the foot of the Premier League table. That the protests against Rodgers should have returned in the very next home game after this win says something in itself for how low his stock has fallen.

And there are more of these potential six-pointers to come, too. Four of Leicester’s five remaining Premier League matches before the World Cup break come against Leeds, Wolves, Everton and West Ham, teams that are themselves within three points of the relegation positions n a congested bottom half of the table.

It’s difficult to avoid the conclusion that a failure to improve over the course of these games will leave Leicester adrift at the bottom of the table and looking at the gap to safety starting to become unbridgeable. They’re already four points adrift of safety, and that margin will almost certainly be greater should they not improve to some extent over the weeks between now and the middle of November.

Leicester’s owners have some form for replacing a manager quickly should things start to turn sour. In February they replaced Claudio Ranieri as manager just nine months after he led the club to the Premier League title. At the time, they were a point above the relegation places, with 13 games of the season left to play. This decision was criticised at the time, but the benefit of hindsight has vindicated it. They recovered to finish in 12th place that season, and haven’t finished below halfway in the Premier League since and won the FA Cup in 2020.

But while the owners of the club retain a huge amount of goodwill among supporters – there won’t be any birthday requests for ‘Zak Le Bord’ or similar – the goodwill that Rodgers earned with that 2020 FA Cup win already seems to have completely evaporated, and this season’s Premier League record makes it easy to see why.

With ten games under their belt – more than a quarter of the season, already – they have just five points. So far this century the average number of points required to finished above 18th place in the table has been 35 to 36, meaning the upswing in form required to survive the drop already needs to be fairly dramatic, and will only become all the more the longer this trough lasts.

Part of the issue facing Leicester is that sacking Rodgers would be expensive. It was reported at the start of September that it may cost the club as much as £10m to sack him, a compensation clause when he signed his six-year contract with the club in 2019. Of course, the counter-argument to this is obvious. Leicester probably wouldn’t think twice about paying £10m to bring in a new player, and the cost of relegation from the Premier League would be considerably higher.

This doesn’t make such a decision straightforward. Paying off the departing manager is only part of the cost. Rodgers’ backroom staff would be likely to leave with him and then, of course, there’s the cost of bringing in someone else and their backroom staff. And the state of the next manager betting for the job makes it clear that few know which way this is going to go. Sean Dyche is the favourite to replace him, but below him are Mauricio Pochettino, Rafael Benitez and Marcelo Bielsa.

These are four very different types of manager, with the one thing that they all have in common being that they are all between jobs. Dyche may be considered the ‘fire-fighting’ appointment, having built his reputation on having kept Burnley away from the relegation places and arguably punching above their weight in the Premier League.

Pochettino will be linked with every potential Premier League job but is likely to be expensive. Benitez and Bielsa are both in their sixties and were both offloaded by their clubs last season because they were skirting too close to the relegation places for comfort. Neither of them could be considered particularly forward-looking on account of their age, if nothing else.

So it may prove expensive, the list of potential replacements is a little muddled and, of course, there are few guarantees that replacing the manager will actually improve the team’s fortunes on the pitch. With all of this in mind, the reasoning behind the club not rushing headlong into this particular sack race starts to look a little more clear.

When there was an international break in September, it was anticipated that there might be an early season rush of managerial sackings, but this didn’t happen and, although changes have been made at several clubs since then, it still feels as though the middle of November is when wholesale changes might be made. And if Leicester don’t have some more points on the board by that point, it surely becomes an inevitability that a change will have to be made.

Brendan Rodgers has clung on so far, but the heat under him is fast reaching a point at which his position will become completely untenable. Many Leicester supporters clearly believe it already has.

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2 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

unfortunately not fully. We have taken out a loan on future premier league money, which we are planning to use the parachute payments for if we get relegated. With the wages we have and the struggle to offload big wages we already have, not having those payments would absolutely cripple us. 
 

What would happen, is we would have a fire sale of our big assets but the money generated would probably just be used to cover the wages. We will be in the championship with vestergarde on 80k and vardy on over 100k all while needing new players to cover the ones leaving.  We are more up shit creak than i think people realise.  Villa were only fine margins away from going bust after missing promotion in that first year…. personally, I think we would be in the same boat with the level of contracts we’ve set up. 

 

Clubs will know this as well, they aren’t coming in with 60m for barnes that will become 30 when we are in the championship 

Even more reasons then to get rid of the complete chump who's responsible for so much of this. 10m is smaller than 100m. Give the new bloke some time and we could well avoid the problem occurring in the first place. 

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6 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Exactly.

 

These sort of interviews maybe insights but also one sided. Just like people like Matt Mills who come out and slag Pearson off just because he dropped, then sold, him.

 

Most managers are not like that. That sort of behaviour is extreme and bordering on insane.

 

I take your point about Matt Mills but what he said is exactly in line with a) what plenty of other people have said and b) what we all know to be true based on his behaviour and interviews at Leicester.

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2 hours ago, An Sionnach said:

Gerrard is no doubt much cheaper to sack. Rodgers is a top businessman. Both come from shooting fish in a barrel in Scotland yet Rodgers has a much more expensive contract even though Gerrard is one of England's greatest ever players and Rodgers barely ever played.

Which I totally get but as so many people have stated relegation is more expensive than binning off the poisonous Rodgers.

 

Our form isn’t isolated to this season which is why it bothers me so much.

 

We’re either arrogant, ignorant or both to the situation. 🙈

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6 hours ago, kingkisnorbo said:

I’ve heard way too many stories about Rodgers like this from players and other footballing professionals for it not to be true. Some of the stuff he got up to at Liverpool was bordering on sociopathic by many accounts. 


Like what KingKis? Genuinely haven’t heard anything and it sounds interesting. 

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8 minutes ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

I wonder if ' Happy Retirement Jackie Tinbren '  would get through on the message board ? 🤔 

Pleeeeease be true :fc:

 

THAT, I can :appl::clap:to!

 

One of them's gotta slip through the net sooner or later surely!

 

The simple fact the two @The Year Of The Fox put in last week got initially accepted shows the level of competence.

 

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