sacreblueits442 Posted 22 October 2022 Share Posted 22 October 2022 6 minutes ago, shailen said: I don't disagree as his attitude at the start of the season was terrible, but I only sympathise if he was promised funds to rebuild and then found out late he wouldn't get them. Going to the press is unforgivable as it should have been dealt in house but I don't question his coaching ability!! ....how many games did he lose on the bounce, other managers have been sacked for less!!! It doesn't really matter from here in as Top and our supporters at the ground are not inclined to do anything, but keep the status quo. I suspect that there is an inherent belief within the majority that Rodgers will have us "Rocking all over the World," it is a bigger gamble, sticking to what we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted 22 October 2022 Share Posted 22 October 2022 1 hour ago, shailen said: I don't question his coaching ability!! I assume you’ve watched us over the past 18 months? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTY_FOX Posted 22 October 2022 Share Posted 22 October 2022 1 hour ago, shailen said: I don't disagree as his attitude at the start of the season was terrible, but I only sympathise if he was promised funds to rebuild and then found out late he wouldn't get them. Going to the press is unforgivable as it should have been dealt in house but I don't question his coaching ability!! The man himself has said he has full control, has bought in his own recruitment team and then then the players signed have been crap and on inflated wages. Just as we were warned by fans if every club he's ever managed at. It's his fault. It's a trend that's followed him everywhere. It's not a coincidence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shailen Posted 22 October 2022 Share Posted 22 October 2022 2 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....how many games did he lose on the bounce, other managers have been sacked for less!!! It doesn't really matter from here in as Top and our supporters at the ground are not inclined to do anything, but keep the status quo. I suspect that there is an inherent belief within the majority that Rodgers will have us "Rocking all over the World," it is a bigger gamble, sticking to what we know. It's whether you think he's done enough previously to warrant more of a chance. Some may disagree and if he was sacked during our losing run, there'd be few complaints I'll admit. It's just when fans want us to lose so he can be sacked which I can't get my head round! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pliskin Posted 22 October 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 22 October 2022 (edited) I’ve got zero sympathy for Brendan. If our attempt at Europe wasn’t do pathetic we probably won’t be in this situation…. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out this great transfer mystery was probably down to not finishing in a European place. He probably was promised a refresh, whilst we still had a chance of qualifying for European football, but we ****ed it. Brendan has himself to blame for our current situation, and I really wish some people would stop making excuses for him. He is destroying this club to save his face now, and he simply has to be sacked before it’s too late….. and it is getting too late. Edited 22 October 2022 by Pliskin 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, shailen said: It's whether you think he's done enough previously to warrant more of a chance. Some may disagree and if he was sacked during our losing run, there'd be few complaints I'll admit. It's just when fans want us to lose so he can be sacked which I can't get my head round! .. it is not difficult to understand the frustration of some supporters who would see taking a loss, in order to achieve something better!!! He hasn't earned, for me, any credits which allows him the leeway that he has been afforded. For a long time there has been issues with his setup and strategies and an inability to adjust in games. The same problems appeared game after game, and his current squad is not that far removed from the team that achieved 5th two years on the trot, both under achievements, due to his inability to keep his players focused to achieve their goals. Yet he has derided them as not been good enough, and how can he achieve anything from a squad such as this, 40 points is his goal!! You listen to his interviews and he is constantly saying one thing, but setting out reason where down the line if he fails, it is due to a fault elsewhere. His narrative is all about self preservation, he lies and uses other people to deflect from his failures. It is very hard to support your team when the person charged with leading it, does not command your support,lacks integrity and is also unable to gain your respect. It takes a lot out of the match day experience, because any success by the team is naturally shared with the man running the team. You either become disillusioned with the club and find other past times, but you are then having to give up a major part of your live, because you are not able to separate one entity from another. You can understand why someone would chose to lose a game of football, there is a bigger picture we need to be taking a look at. Edited 23 October 2022 by sacreblueits442 Update. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Fox Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 35 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: .. it is not difficult to understand the frustration of some supporters who would see taking a loss, in order to achieve something better!!! He hasn't earned, for me, any credits which allows him the leeway that he has been afforded. For a long time there has been issues with his setup and strategies and an inability to adjust in games. The same problems appeared game after game, and his current squad is not that far removed from the team that achieved 5th two years on the trot, both under achievements, due to his inability to keep his players focused to achieve their goals. Yet he has derided them as not been good enough, and how can he achieve anything from a squad such as this, 40 points is his goal!! You listen to his interviews and he is constantly saying one thing, but setting out reason where down the line if he fails, it is due to a fault elsewhere. His narrative is all about self preservation, he lies and uses other people to deflect from his failures. It is very hard to support your team when the person charged with leading it, does not command your support,lacks integrity and is also unable to gain your respect. It takes a lot out of the match day experience, because any success by the team is naturally shared with the man running the team. You either become disillusioned with the club and find other past times, but you are then having to give up a major part of your live, because you are not able to separate one entity from another. You can understand why someone would chose to lose a game of football, there is a bigger picture we need to be taking a look at. I can see some of the points you’re making here, however, anyone actively hoping we lose games and not wanting to turn things around, is not a supporter of the club. People can have whatever opinions they like about players, managers and other personnel at the club and want them to leave, but come Saturday afternoon you back the lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shailen Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 6 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: .. it is not difficult to understand the frustration of some supporters who would see taking a loss, in order to achieve something better!!! He hasn't earned, for me, any credits which allows him the leeway that he has been afforded. For a long time there has been issues with his setup and strategies and an inability to adjust in games. The same problems appeared game after game, and his current squad is not that far removed from the team that achieved 5th two years on the trot, both under achievements, due to his inability to keep his players focused to achieve their goals. Yet he has derided them as not been good enough, and how can he achieve anything from a squad such as this, 40 points is his goal!! You listen to his interviews and he is constantly saying one thing, but setting out reason where down the line if he fails, it is due to a fault elsewhere. His narrative is all about self preservation, he lies and uses other people to deflect from his failures. It is very hard to support your team when the person charged with leading it, does not command your support,lacks integrity and is also unable to gain your respect. It takes a lot out of the match day experience, because any success by the team is naturally shared with the man running the team. You either become disillusioned with the club and find other past times, but you are then having to give up a major part of your live, because you are not able to separate one entity from another. You can understand why someone would chose to lose a game of football, there is a bigger picture we need to be taking a look at. I agree with a lot of the points you're making apart from the bit wanting to lose for the bigger picture, as that's a dangerous road to go down. You mentioned Brendan took this squad to 5th twice and a FA cup win, I don't think many other managers would have been able to do the same, with the progressive football we played. But that's the past and in this current moment, he has acted in a way that has been disrespectful to the club. If he goes for that I'd have no complaints but I wouldn't sack him for his ability, as there aren't many better longer term candidates imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John12345 Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 He seems to have eased some of the pressure on him by the recent results and clean sheets to the point where I could see him keeping his job (not being replaced during world cup) but lose today and I can see it being untenable again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 18 minutes ago, John12345 said: He seems to have eased some of the pressure on him by the recent results and clean sheets to the point where I could see him keeping his job (not being replaced during world cup) but lose today and I can see it being untenable again. This is the view that will ultimately see us relegated. The boards reluctance to axe him is painful and dangerous. They’ve got to look at the long term picture here not wait until a result pops up and then sit back and high five one another. We will get relegated if Brendan stays, he has set his narrative and won’t deviate away from it due to the fact it will make him look like a twat. Other clubs have recognised that the long term prognosis isn’t good, hence why they have acted now. If we’re not careful they will benefit from an upturn in form, leaving us behind. I think, if he’s not gone by the World Cup, and we haven’t really hit any consistent form, we’re done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppys Love Child Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 1 hour ago, shailen said: I agree with a lot of the points you're making apart from the bit wanting to lose for the bigger picture, as that's a dangerous road to go down. You mentioned Brendan took this squad to 5th twice and a FA cup win, I don't think many other managers would have been able to do the same, with the progressive football we played. But that's the past and in this current moment, he has acted in a way that has been disrespectful to the club. If he goes for that I'd have no complaints but I wouldn't sack him for his ability, as there aren't many better longer term candidates imo Really? Doesn't the last 18Mts+ prove otherwise. Crap ‐team selections, subs, team formations/tactics, in game managment to name a few, add in his arrogance and stubbornness these also contribute to his ability to do his job (or in his case his inability to do it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shailen Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 12 minutes ago, Guppys Love Child said: Really? Doesn't the last 18Mts+ prove otherwise. Crap ‐team selections, subs, team formations/tactics, in game managment to name a few, add in his arrogance and stubbornness these also contribute to his ability to do his job (or in his case his inability to do it) We finished 8th last season and were effectively the best of the rest outside of West Ham. This was also in a season where we had loads of injuries and a decent run in Europe (albeit the conference league). Yes we should have done better in certain games, but it was still a relatively successful season. This season has been poor, but more due to a confidence crisis instigated by Rodgers imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppys Love Child Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 25 minutes ago, shailen said: We finished 8th last season and were effectively the best of the rest outside of West Ham. This was also in a season where we had loads of injuries and a decent run in Europe (albeit the conference league). Yes we should have done better in certain games, but it was still a relatively successful season. This season has been poor, but more due to a confidence crisis instigated by Rodgers imo. OK, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one bud..👍well it is a forum. IMO ‐confidence is a factor but in no way is it the main reason for our current plight. Its the points I've made above ( Which are echoed by numerous outher posters) thats the reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volpeazzurro Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 13 hours ago, shailen said: I don't disagree as his attitude at the start of the season was terrible, but I only sympathise if he was promised funds to rebuild and then found out late he wouldn't get them. Going to the press is unforgivable as it should have been dealt in house but I don't question his coaching ability!! How on earth could you not question his coaching ability? Count on your left hand the number of players you genuinely believe he's improved during his tenure. Then on the right, count the number you believe have regressed, been left out or want away. I think you'll need another hand. I wonder how that stacks up at Liverpool and Celtic also? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 (edited) Rodgers is an abosolute fraud. Everywhere he goes he puts square pegs into round holes ... then benches them. He repeats this so that after two seasons he has a third of the squad he wont pick. He balmes everyone else.... making him a terrible leader who is unworthy of respect. There, i feel better now, as we need 3 pts today Edited 23 October 2022 by foxinsocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheppyFox Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 Give that man a new contract, clearly always had a plan and had the situation under control. We’ll be pushing for top 4 next season under his guidance. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cropstonfox Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 We've all enjoyed " bantering " Brendon! Of course he knows what he's doing . All elite coaches do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HankMarvin Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 Beats Man City next week then goes Villa. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molson Canadian Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Renard Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 Rodgers master plan all along, lower expectations and then hit them hard. I can't believe most of us fell for it, he's a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 It's time for a confession. I was always Rodgers in, just pretended to want him out to fit in. Always knew he'd get us back on track. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 Fickle bunch …. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxInTheBirstallBox Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 Well let's hope this is the long awaited turn around 💙 looks like we have our Leicester back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shailen Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 4 hours ago, volpeazzurro said: How on earth could you not question his coaching ability? Count on your left hand the number of players you genuinely believe he's improved during his tenure. Then on the right, count the number you believe have regressed, been left out or want away. I think you'll need another hand. I wonder how that stacks up at Liverpool and Celtic also? Can we expect a better performance away from home than what we delivered today?? Perfectly set up today!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza M Posted 23 October 2022 Share Posted 23 October 2022 Credit to the guy. The defence really has got its act together and he has taken 10 points from 5 games. By hook or by crook he lives to the world cup and beyond. Maybe shot up the Villa priority list after today. Could well turn around and give us the fans the 2 fingers and be on his merry way if asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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