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Brendan Rodgers

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Greg2607

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2 hours ago, The Doctor said:

well let's have a look. puels full 56 league games in charge Vs Rodgers last 56:

 

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xG mostly broadly comparable, slightly better under puel for the most part but I don't think it's significant

 

xGA better under puel

 

xPts better under puel.

 

our underlying stats are worse under Rodgers than anything puel was putting out

 

 

I've been saying this for the last 12 months. 

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cityfanlee23

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Looks like Dyche has won the race to become Everton boss. Great appointment for them to help them get control of the club and fix the finances. 
 

Will admit I started off not wanting Dyche, but the more the performances went on, and the more our club looked to be eroding, I ended up thinking he was somebody we probably needed to stop the rot and begin to get ourselves back under control from the mess we’ve created in the last 4 years. 
 

Genuinely think we’ve missed an opportunity here and can see Dyche doing alright at Everton once he gets these early difficult fixtures out of the way. 
 

now we just need to hope the clown keeps us up so we can sack him in summer and bring someone like Amorim in. 

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Simoken

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59 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Second best, I think the premier league win was a better achievemant than the FA cup.

Nah PL win was a fluke season, FA cup win was our true moment in history with the strongest character at the helm. BR FACUP masterclass. :brendan_still:

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Dan LCFC

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4 hours ago, The Doctor said:

well let's have a look. puels full 56 league games in charge Vs Rodgers last 56:

 

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xG mostly broadly comparable, slightly better under puel for the most part but I don't think it's significant

 

xGA better under puel

 

xPts better under puel.

 

our underlying stats are worse under Rodgers than anything puel was putting out

 

 

Fvck me lol 

 

That is genuinely pitiful.

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Fox92

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31 minutes ago, Simoken said:

Nah PL win was a fluke season, FA cup win was our true moment in history with the strongest character at the helm. BR FACUP masterclass. :brendan_still:

Brilliant eh. We waited all those years for an FA Cup just for you to take the piss.

 

It's shit now but we will look back in a decade with a major trophy from this period.

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Stadt

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4 hours ago, The Doctor said:

well let's have a look. puels full 56 league games in charge Vs Rodgers last 56:

 

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xG mostly broadly comparable, slightly better under puel for the most part but I don't think it's significant

 

xGA better under puel

 

xPts better under puel.

 

our underlying stats are worse under Rodgers than anything puel was putting out

 

 

Excellent work thanks.

 

Sums up FT, great legwork to produce to some useful data viz comparing Rodgers to a peer (with less favourable resources) and it has 3 reactions.

 

In 13 out of 20 league games this season we've created 1.0 or fewer expected goals. We only won 3 of the games where we did create > 1 xG.

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40 minutes ago, Simoken said:

Nah PL win was a fluke season, FA cup win was our true moment in history with the strongest character at the helm. BR FACUP masterclass. :brendan_still:

You really are a sad little boy…. Don’t you have anything better to do than wind people up? Go away and do something constructive with your life!

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13 minutes ago, bungy said:

You really are a sad little boy…. Don’t you have anything better to do than wind people up? Go away and do something constructive with your life!

That’s a bit uncalled for, I was only supporting our manager. Chill

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Fox92

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29 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Excellent work thanks.

 

Sums up FT, great legwork to produce to some useful data viz comparing Rodgers to a peer (with less favourable resources) and it has 3 reactions.

 

In 13 out of 20 league games this season we've created 1.0 or fewer expected goals. We only won 3 of the games where we did create > 1 xG.

Who had less favourable resources, Puel? Are you talking about players?

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Mendy and Soumare are both in the 1st percentile for shot creating actions on FBref and Ndidi's in the 3rd. It's not like any of them are pure destroyers or water carriers, what the hell has happened to our build up? Soumare was in the 25th at Lille and was in the 92nd for progressive passing, he's in the 1st and 24th respectively now.

 

Our stunted, ultra-conservative build up has stopped us creating much at all.

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On 21/01/2023 at 20:12, Fightforever said:

I don't like Rodgers but lets be clear at this point we need to accept facts about the true ability of our squad. Our squad on paper isn't good enough to stay up. Unpopular opinion but its just the fact of the matter at this point.

 

If we do stay up it will be Maddison keeping us up and without a rebuild we are finished at this level.

 

 

This is the squad that finished 5th in 2019/2020

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Schmeichel: Solid top 5 gk in the league.

Pre injury Pereira: best RB in the league back then imo.

Prime Evans: top 20 cb in the league.

Soyuncu: top 10 cb before he lost his way.

Chilwell: UCL winning LB.

Prime Ndidi: (Ndidi failed an age test in 2013 for the Nigerian youth team and part of me thinks he is actually older and is physcially declining) (I have a few stats to back up my theory but would take forever to list here).

Tielemans: when he gave a fvck. about us. One of the best PL Deep lying playmakers.

Maddison: one of the best number 10s in the league.

Barnes: who got 14 G+A in the PL that season.

Prime Vardy: Golden boot winner.

Perez: Who has always been shit tbh.

 

 

 

Compare to this team:

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Ward: Easily one of the worst GKs in the league atm.

Castange: Is ok at attacking but cannot defend to save his life. Not good enough for the PL unless he plays with a back 3 like he did at Atalanta.

Amartey: IMO suits counter attacking football much more than possesion football but even then not good enough for the PL.

Faes: average PL player but has too many brain farts which makes him a liability. 

Thomas: Nowhere near physically strong enough for English football and he's appalling at everything else just gets bullied of the ball to easily. Brennan Johnson bodied him of the ball every single time against Forest and Johnson is only a 5 foot 9 skinny player.

Praet: Ok Serie A level player but not a PL level player.

Tielemans: Is obviously talented enough but doesn't give a fvck anymore since his contract is nearly out.

Mendy: His Fbref stats are appaling was never good enough at this level. 

Barnes: PL level winger has 7 goals this season but needs to start passing the ****ing ball.

Vardy: Has declined not fast enough anymore. Can't finish ATM either no longer good enough for this league  

Albrighon: Not good enough at this level. Never has been even in the title winning season he was always the weak link. He can cross and has stamina but he is too one dimensional to ever be good enough.

 

 

On that starting 11 we only had 2 premier league level players. Barnes and Faes. Tielemans is Premier League level but will not play like it at Leicester. If anything Rodgers over peformed by getting us a point here.

 

In our entire squad we have 5 or 6 players that are actually good enough for the PL

 

Daka makes the grade on the skin of his teeth 6 G+A in only 860 minutes (9.5 full games worth of minutes) isn't that bad.   

 

Iheanacho: Is good enough but we need to play to his strengths. You can't score as many as he did in 2020/2021 without having something about you.

 

Maddison: Is amazing but will leave this summer. Will keep us up if not playing in the world cup doesn't kill his desire.

 

Barnes: 7 goals this season in the PL is good but he doesn't pass and doesn't contribute defensively at all. 

 

Faes: Is a good CB but has too many brainfarts for him to be anymore than an acceptable CB at PL level.

 

Justin post injury has not been PL quality anymore. While Pereria is still decent but without pace due to his injury will never be more than an ok PL RB. Plus he is injury prone so will only play half a season.

 

Everyone else is no longer good enough. Lets be honest without Maddisons contributions this year we would be bottom of the table and relegated. Brendan Rodgers simply cannot make this team good enough with the players he has. The best we can do with this squad is 15th. And thats with Maddison. Without him we are much worse

 

We need a rebuild and the club is broke. There is no way we stay up long term if we don't bring in at least 6 new players  including replacements for Maddison and Tielemans. We need a new CB, 2 CMs, CDM, and a LW bare minimum.

 

Even if we get £60 million for Maddison and the board throws in an extra £40 million which is being optimstic. How can we afford in the current market to buy 6 Premier league level players for £16 million each? Its simply not possible for us to stay up without investment.

 

 

Some on here say Rodgers is scapegoating the board by publicly calling them out over not buying any players and fair enough its very unproffesional but you have to be stupid to not realise how badly we need new players.

 

How many of our current starting 11 woulda mid table team for example Crystal Palace have in their team? Maddison, Barnes and maybe one of our strikers. Thats it. Rodgers has a right to be begging for new players.

 

Apart from last year our net spend on players hasn't ever gone past £30 million. In the Premier league you cannot survive with that level of net spend.

 

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Our net spend is the 4th lowest in the league over the last 5 years. We have never had the investment required to stay up the truth is we have been riding our luck until now.

 

I would blame the board 66% and Rodgers 33% for the reason we are shit right now personally. Rodgers for all his faults cannot make our team good enough if he doesn't have PL quality players. 

 

TLDR: Rodgers isn't great but our squad is terrible and we should blame the board. We don't invest enough into the squad apart from stupid wages for subpar players. With the current contract situation once Maddison leaves we are releagted.

 

Our squad isn't terrible. We prioritised keeping our better players over making new signings. It's easy, with hindsight, to say that was the wrong decision, but I don't remember people clamoring for us to sell Youri or Maddison a couple of years ago. We have some incredibly talented Premier League players who will be playing very well at clubs in Europe next season. The squad is very lacking in some areas (although that would be a lot less pronounced if we had Caglar playing at his highest level), but that doesn't mean it's woeful or that we've wasted all our money on wages for subpar players. It's just that we've not managed the balance of the squad as well as we should. We have invested, we have a very high wage budget for a club of our size and a lot of it is going to really excellent footballers who for various reasons either aren't performing or aren't going to be here much longer (Tielemans, Maddison, Evans, Vardy, Ndidi, Barnes) we paid what it took to keep our better players here at the expense of makeup of the squad. I don't know who that ultimately falls on, but I don't think such a tunnel vision focus on net spend really tells the whole story.

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