Popular Post Sol thewall Bamba Posted 12 February 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 12 February 2023 I don't like him and I don't really think I will now because of how disparaging he's been about the club and the players previously, I'm just glad now he's realised what we all have done for a while in terms of the current set up. Just need Ward dropped now as the cherry on the cake. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGibbo Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Koke said: Rodgers is behind Ranieri but he has long surpassed the usual names of O'Neil, Pearson etc. Behave. If O'Neil had been given the backing of Rodgers we'd have surpassed the Villa/Leeds top 6 rivals of old and Rodgers has never built something from scratch that could win the Premier League like Pearson did. Post Premier League era order: Ranieri O'Neil Pearson Rodgers Edited 12 February 2023 by BigGibbo Errant apostrophe eradication to appease Nod.E. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reg Vardy Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 13 minutes ago, majaco said: I think he should have gone after our poor start to the season. But if we finish this season strongly, there is an argument he should stay. It may be that a manager can be at a club too long and that a freshen up is needed. This seems to apply to Rodgers I would also say that Liverpool might benefit from a change. I do think the hate is daft. A lot of the vitriol I find shallow and a little bit disturbing. Tbf he said all summer he needed to strengthen the squad, and to his credit the evidence over the last four games would suggest he called it right….if we had had three new players in August rather than a shedload of injuries up to the World Cup, we will never know where we would be. we didn’t sign new players for a reason, that reason wasn’t Rodger’s….I would suggest everyone getting off his back until May…. Saints just sacked Jones…..who will they/would you want if you were a Saints fan.? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
when_you're_smiling Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 A question for those saying the European semi-final wasn’t an achievement - If we got to the Champions League semi-finals, after finishing 2nd and 4th and not winning the league, would you still class it as an achievement? It’s just the same thing, UEFA changing the entry criteria to please clubs. Achieving stuff is reaching places you’ve never been before. Consecutive fifth places finishes and a European semi-final are unique in our 139-year history. I’m deeply suspicious of moving clubs into new competitions, but heck, we’d never even won a European knock out game away from home until Randers in the Conference. Also, the Conference League knock outs are five rounds, the same as the old European Cups were in their entirety when the likes of Notts Forest were winning them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 Rodgers is certainly our best ever manager in terms the quality of his coaching and approaching it in terms of winning things and achievement. If he wins another trophy it will be undeniable. It won't take a lot to surpass Ranieri who it is now known stumbled upon something he could never create himself. Calling yourself a bellend in press conference on the days you weren't in Rome visiting your mum doesn't make you top class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 His effective public criticism of the club is something that I don’t believe should have been allowed to stand. but we are where we are and he isn’t going anywhere until we can identify someone else who we believe will do a better job. I would expect him to move on in the summer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnaldo Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 Rodgers is finally utilising what he has in the team and we’re reaping the benefits of not having his tendrils all around recruitment (I.e. Congerton gone, Glover in), which were my biggest criticisms for years, and all of a sudden we’re romping teams up and down the table. Realistically we have enough now to get points out of most if not all of our remaining games. I’ll give him limited praise for recognising reality, but again for a manager paid an elite wage it shouldn’t have got to the point where we’re rescuing our season from what looked at one point like a high likelihood of relegation. Give him to the end of the season to wind down his owed compensation then look to swap out in summer, we look like something of a creditable job now for decent managers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majaco Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 7 minutes ago, BigGibbo said: Behave. If O'Neil had been given the backing of Rodger's we'd have surpassed the Villa/Leeds top 6 rivals of old and Rodger's has never built something from scratch that could win the Premier League like Pearson did. Post Premier League era order: Ranieri O'Neil Pearson Rodger's Ranieri got lucky and we were lucky to have him. He inherited a squad and did wonders with them for a season. His arrival was part of a perfect storm. Then in his second season it drizzled. While I think he was a bit lucky, I don't think anyone else would have achieved what he did. I find it hard to think of him as our best manager. For me, O'Neil was probably our best manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Sionnach Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 I have little respect for managers , with very few exceptions. One minute they are world beaters , the next they get the sack. Clubs naïvely think the next geezer will change everything , until they don't ( Potter). Motivating your players is their main job and Ferguson was a master of that , fair means or foul , he knew what to do. The amount of guff Rodgers scribbles in his notebook won't matter at all once the whistle blows if the players are not up for it. We have just had two fine victories but that maybe more to do with some truly horrible defending and the players cleverly taking advantage of it than it was him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFox Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 O neill regularly went on losing runs that would see him lynched on here today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 3 minutes ago, majaco said: Ranieri got lucky and we were lucky to have him. He inherited a squad and did wonders with them for a season. His arrival was part of a perfect storm. Then in his second season it drizzled. While I think he was a bit lucky, I don't think anyone else would have achieved what he did. I find it hard to think of him as our best manager. For me, O'Neil was probably our best manager. That’s seems a fair assessment although Pearson’s job in taking us from league 1 to PL great escape and putting the base in for what followed is surely up there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said: A question for those saying the European semi-final wasn’t an achievement - If we got to the Champions League semi-finals, after finishing 2nd and 4th and not winning the league, would you still class it as an achievement? It’s just the same thing, UEFA changing the entry criteria to please clubs. Achieving stuff is reaching places you’ve never been before. Consecutive fifth places finishes and a European semi-final are unique in our 139-year history. I’m deeply suspicious of moving clubs into new competitions, but heck, we’d never even won a European knock out game away from home until Randers in the Conference. Also, the Conference League knock outs are five rounds, the same as the old European Cups were in their entirety when the likes of Notts Forest were winning them. For me it was the contempt we shown to the Europa League and consequently the Europa Conference League Semi - And that's after dropping out the top 4 twice in consecutive seasons. Bottom line is my issue has been our style, I think i've made that clear Obviously top 4, even top 5, heck, even just being higher in the table makes things more palatable, but generally I was still bored, I couldn't get behind it our play, certainly in the 2nd half of the two 5th place seasons and since. Treating our European campaigns with the contempt we did, being in a relegation battle or lower in the league, gives me/us a stick to hit it with, strengthen our arguments, but I don't for one second expect to be top 5, to say i'm not bothered where we finish would be a lie, the aim is to finish as high as possible, challenge for things but to be bored, something I can't get behind, well that equally defeats the point for me also. Yesterday was excellent, Villa was excellent, the fact they've been the most entertaining and enjoyable games in going on for 18 months, if not 2 years is a sad indictment, but hopefully we move on from here. Edited 12 February 2023 by Matt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post foxfanazer Posted 12 February 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 12 February 2023 You can make the narrative fit for whichever side of the fence you sit on. He's been praised and criticised in equal measure imo. He's also had more excuses made for him than any manager we've had so let's not pretend he's been unfairly treated by the fans. I'm glad he's finally let the reigns off and I hope he doesn't revert to type. Survival is still the aim 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevosevic Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 7 minutes ago, MattFox said: O neill regularly went on losing runs that would see him lynched on here today. Yeh people seem to forget that. We went on some horrific runs under MON and some terrible thrashings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod.E Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 22 minutes ago, BigGibbo said: Behave. If O'Neil had been given the backing of Rodger's we'd have surpassed the Villa/Leeds top 6 rivals of old and Rodger's has never built something from scratch that could win the Premier League like Pearson did. Post Premier League era order: Ranieri O'Neil Pearson Rodger's I am genuinely shaken by your use of an apostrophe in Brendan's surname. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majaco Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 1 minute ago, st albans fox said: That’s seems a fair assessment although Pearson’s job in taking us from league 1 to PL great escape and putting the base in for what followed is surely up there. Pearson did a great job. Winning divisional titles was achievement. A lot of credit for the Premier League win has to go to him. But he didn't win a major trophy. Although Ranieri and Rodgers won the league and FA Cup respectively, O'Neill built the teams he won the League Cups with. I think I would go 1 O'Neil, 2 Ranieri 3. Pearson. If Rodgers left tomorrow, I would put him 3 or 4. On this forum, to some it is sacrilegious to rate Rodgers anywhere near Pearson. But I laugh in the face of danger! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 36 minutes ago, Koke said: Rodgers is behind Ranieri but he has long surpassed the usual names of O'Neil, Pearson etc. Still behind both of those given he’s had so much more money to spend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerblod Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 I admit that when I was giving my player ratings and came to the 'Rodgers stay/leave' I thought a little before making my usual choice - which is that he should go. This latest transfer window has been a godsend for City. Finally a stopgap for Evans has been found and Kristensen/Kristiansen has established himself quickly as a committed and clever leftside wingback. The arrival of Tété has meant a lot for the spirit of the fans. I believe that this influx has created a huge boost of positivity in the squad - that they can sense that the leaks in defence have been plugged and the quality inherent in attack can begin to flourish - without the fear and the sinking feeling that their good work is going to be nullified by yet another defensive blunder. If it continues like this then relegation isn't going to happen. But how much of this dramatic upsurge is down to Brendan & Crew and how much down to perspicacious buying by the recruitment arm of LCFC? Mendy's goal was a carbon copy of a Tielemans' 'special'. Tielemans was out injured and the team did well enough without him. But, when he's fit again (if he's ever fit again, before he departs) Rodgers will put him back in the team. Yesterday demonstrated that he's no longer needed. Maddison in the Middle is the key creative figure in the team - with Mendy and KDH bringing their energy and terrier-like qualities to recycle the ball to him. Praet and N'Didi appear to have been rehabilitated - but, is this down to Rodgers skilful man-management or can they sense the new dynamism in the team and want to be part of it I know this won't happen, but now is the time for the executive to find someone whose ego is smaller than his desire to view what's best for the team and act objectively in selecting it. I feel Rodgers has stumbled his way back into a comfortable position and he could easily stumble his way out of it again. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Rodgers is certainly our best ever manager in terms the quality of his coaching and approaching it in terms of winning things and achievement. If he wins another trophy it will be undeniable. It won't take a lot to surpass Ranieri who it is now known stumbled upon something he could never create himself. Calling yourself a bellend in press conference on the days you weren't in Rome visiting your mum doesn't make you top class. For me Ranieri dirted his own top ace book,by dismantling what Pearson built on Backroom staff and rescources. The best maybe the PL had seen and envious of. He upset many of medical & scouting staff… A smiling gent,with a case of daggers in his locker.. many fans forget what Pearson built, allying his unfinished business rhetoric. He proudly built a specialised unit & platform behind the players… And even then ,with club owners sold,the idea of a Seagrave type project had been mentioned on his watch.. on all managers never forget what they bring behind the scenes..Pearson is ahead on that… Seagrave came from within the club under Rodgers Tenure,not his baby… Edited 12 February 2023 by fuchsntf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 Think even if he manages another trophy success for the club, a certain few on here and fans in general would still find something to criticise him about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancunianfox Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 The argument for Pearson is where the club was before he took over and where it was after. Rodgers, obviously Raneiri and even O'Neill inherited the club in a significantly better position than Nigel did. They have all left it in a better place than what they inherited but none more so than going from being relegated to league one to a squad capable of winning the Premier League. Might not be the the best manager tactically but he is the one who transformed this club and I dread to think what that league one season could have been like in different hands. We could easily have been a Sheffield Wednesday or a Coventry without any hope of getting out of the Championship. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. James Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 (edited) Whilst l dont like or rate Rodgers as a manager the answer to the Ward problem is not Iverson. I cannot understand why when keepers like Henderson were clearly looking to play we were unwilling or unable to attract them with regular first team football. This is a problem that goes back to Kasper's time, the faith placed in Ward was frankly and sadly misplaced - this is at Rodgers' door. Most prem teams reserve keeper is better than Ward but Rodgers can't or wont see it. Edited 12 February 2023 by J. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriderHiryu Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Stevosevic said: Yeh people seem to forget that. We went on some horrific runs under MON and some terrible thrashings. He did, but MON had nowhere near the same level of resources as managers in the King Power era. With all due respect, signing players like Andy Impey, Frank Sinclair and Gerry Taggart and getting a tune out of them is much harder than signing established Belgian internationals. However, modern football has progressed massively and there’s a reason why managers like MON, Mourinho and now Conte it appears aren’t as adept anymore. Man management will always be important but team structure, patterns of play and collective pressing are the new standard. In that regard Rodgers is easily the best we’ve had, but also paid a pretty penny to do so. Anyway the eras are totally different and thus not really worth the lengthy comparison I’ve just made ! The last two games for me show that when given the right players Rodgers can create a very good team. He’s proven this at multiple clubs now too. I’m not saying he elite and I’m not saying we couldn’t do better, but in this respect he is good. Where he clearly could improve is getting a tune out of players when plan A isn’t working. He managed it with a 352 with the Vardy / Nacho pairing but we struggled badly this season prior to the new signings made. Edited 12 February 2023 by StriderHiryu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royston. Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 32 minutes ago, BigGibbo said: Behave. If O'Neil had been given the backing of Rodger's we'd have surpassed the Villa/Leeds top 6 rivals of old and Rodger's has never built something from scratch that could win the Premier League like Pearson did. Post Premier League era order: Ranieri O'Neil Pearson Rodger's Not sticking up for Rodgers cos i still dislike the little twàt but its not all about building things from scratch. Sometimes things happen like you clear off to a bigger club or your son makes a porno. Ranieri and Rodgers are of course guilty of taking advantage of their predecessors work to achieve success but would you rather a Peter Taylor type take the reigns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 Whilst it is true that BR has had far greater resources to work with, the same can be said for many other clubs and managers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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