BigGibbo Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 27 minutes ago, majaco said: Ranieri got lucky and we were lucky to have him. He inherited a squad and did wonders with them for a season. His arrival was part of a perfect storm. Then in his second season it drizzled. While I think he was a bit lucky, I don't think anyone else would have achieved what he did. I find it hard to think of him as our best manager. For me, O'Neil was probably our best manager. True, but he was the right man at the right time that ultimately delivered the greatest sporting event in history beyond our wildest dreams so, whilst over a 5 season stretch O'Neil likely outperforms him, that one season is worth more than everything else combined, pretty much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: Whilst it is true that BR has had far greater resources to work with, the same can be said for many other clubs and managers too. This is definitely a fair point but even in relative terms he’s had a lot more to work with. On a separate note, I find it absolutely astonishing that some people still won’t give Ranieri any credit for winning the Premier League. That might possibly be a plausibly defensible position had we finished 4th or 5th but we won the thing by 10 points. Edited 12 February 2023 by ttfn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGibbo Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 22 minutes ago, Nod.E said: I am genuinely shaken by your use of an apostrophe in Brendan's surname. Haha! Sorted it. I blame autocorrect as I accidentally put the apostrophe before the s when talking about Rodgers' tenure before. 😆 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 Just now, ttfn said: This is definitely a fair point but even in relative terms he’s had a lot more to work with. On a separate note, I find it absolutely astonishing that some people still won’t give Ranieri any credit for winning the Premier League. That might possibly be a plausibly defensible position had we finished 4th or 5th but we won the thing by 10 points. Indeed likely to be true, I would be interested to know how much more in those relative terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKLFox Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 How can you pit 1 against the other when their individual teams, opposition teams and era’s all different. People saying if Martin O'Neil had Rodgers funding, O’Neil brought in over 40 players in his 5yr stint with us, also opposing teams were arguably easier on the whole compared to today would a then Sunderland be a now Brighton 🤷♂️ Martin has managed in this era but didn’t get anywhere Rodgers has with his Villa team, but he had us in Europe and a couple of cups so kudos to him. Ranieri I think rode a wave he had all the ingredients that would fit a Rodgers team but then balls’d it all up the following season I don’t think he could do what Rodgers can, but he over saw a wonder season so kudos to him. Then Pearson he was the perfect guy for us at that time and I love the man but he couldn’t advance us in the Premiership he’s not even had sniffs from other clubs to manage in the premiership again, maybe Southampton will look at him but very much doubt it. But he rebuilt the club and got us back on track which none of the others imo could do, so kudos to him. They all are part of our blood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 2 minutes ago, Wymsey said: Think even if he manages another trophy success for the club, a certain few on here and fans in general would still find something to criticise him about. We could win the domestic treble next season and average 5 goals a game, and people on this forum would call for his head. There are reasons to be frustrated with Rodgers - his attitude was awful at the beginning of the season, but to some extent understandably so, he has a tendency to play too defensively for too long when protecting a lead, etc - but the idea that he would rather have the ball go backwards than forwards is ridiculous. I have sat behind him as he screams at players to pass it forward (one of the reasons Hamza is at Watford now) ... We were regularly scoring two or more goals in the 2019-2020. The last two games is the type of football Rodgers wants: Yes, it is fair to criticize him because he has failed to achieve this over the past 18 months, and especially for our play at the beginning of the season (when it seemed like he was trying to get the sack) but to argue that he actually "wants" tepid back passes and side-to-side passing instead of forward play beggars belief. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevosevic Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: He did, but MON had nowhere near the same level of resources as managers in the King Power era. With all due respect, signing players like Andy Impey, Frank Sinclair and Gerry Taggart and getting a tune out of them is much harder than signing established Belgian internationals. However, modern football has progressed massively and there’s a reason why managers like MON, Mourinho and now Conte it appears aren’t as adept anymore. Man management will always be important but team structure, patterns of play and collective pressing are the new standard. In that regard Rodgers is easily the best we’ve had, but also paid a pretty penny to do so. Anyway the eras are totally different and thus not really worth the lengthy comparison I’ve just made ! The last two games for me show that when given the right players Rodgers can create a very good team. He’s proven this at multiple clubs now too. I’m not saying he elite and I’m not saying we couldn’t do better, but in this respect he is good. Where he clearly could improve is getting a tune out of players when plan A isn’t working. He managed it with a 352 with the Vardy / Nacho pairing but we struggled badly this season prior to the new signings made. It’s all relative with regards to the resources argument. Yes Rodgers is working with better players, but so is everyone else in the PL. That wasn’t the case in MONs day. Theres more quality throughout the PL than there was in the 90s. There has to be - in the 90s at least 70% of the players were from the UK and Ireland. Today PL clubs are picking players from all the top leagues in the world. Likewise Managers - look at the Villa and Wolves appointments. MON was competing against mainly British managers, hardly a great pool of talent. Edited 12 February 2023 by Stevosevic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGibbo Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 7 minutes ago, Royston. said: Not sticking up for Rodgers cos i still dislike the little twàt but its not all about building things from scratch. Sometimes things happen like you clear off to a bigger club or your son makes a porno. Ranieri and Rodgers are of course guilty of taking advantage of their predecessors work to achieve success but would you rather a Peter Taylor type take the reigns? What? No... but Peter Taylor was shite at everything. Ranieri's talent was being the right man with the right skill set at the right time and Rodgers' talent was only very slowly pissing away the most successful period and best built team and most money invested in our history. A Peter Taylor or similar would have had us do a Blackburn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardyfox86 Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 39 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: I have little respect for managers , with very few exceptions. One minute they are world beaters , the next they get the sack. Clubs naïvely think the next geezer will change everything , until they don't ( Potter). Motivating your players is their main job and Ferguson was a master of that , fair means or foul , he knew what to do. The amount of guff Rodgers scribbles in his notebook won't matter at all once the whistle blows if the players are not up for it. We have just had two fine victories but that maybe more to do with some truly horrible defending and the players cleverly taking advantage of it than it was him. So any good moments of play are down to the players' intelligent game management, but any poor moments of play are down to Rodgers' awful game management? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGibbo Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 8 minutes ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said: We could win the domestic treble next season and average 5 goals a game, and people on this forum would call for his head. There are reasons to be frustrated with Rodgers - his attitude was awful at the beginning of the season, but to some extent understandably so, he has a tendency to play too defensively for too long when protecting a lead, etc - but the idea that he would rather have the ball go backwards than forwards is ridiculous. I have sat behind him as he screams at players to pass it forward (one of the reasons Hamza is at Watford now) ... We were regularly scoring two or more goals in the 2019-2020. The last two games is the type of football Rodgers wants: Yes, it is fair to criticize him because he has failed to achieve this over the past 18 months, and especially for our play at the beginning of the season (when it seemed like he was trying to get the sack) but to argue that he actually "wants" tepid back passes and side-to-side passing instead of forward play beggars belief. Saying his attitude was awful is an understatement. He outed himself as a classless man(child) with no integrity. I don't think many argue that he only wants to pass sideways but he clearly puts too much emphasis on possession when our history and current team make-up has far better suited fast build-up/counter-attack. He clearly gets the causation/correlation relationship backwards when he see the possession stats of the most successful teams; i.e. he thinks more possession equals a better team rather than a better team inherently ends up with more possession. Those are his two main failings. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Renard Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 I see the "I told you so brigade is out today". It doesn't matter if you like Rodgers or not, it is what the players do on the pitch, and if they perform the Manager will get the plaudits and if it is dire, then he will get criticism. I didn't like what Rodger's said or his attitude at the start of the season, but if he turns it around and shows us the Rodgers of 2-3 seasons ago, then as football fans we can be very forgiving, it is a results business. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasyls Pec Deck Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 I don’t like how Rodgers conducted himself before this transfer window, and I think it added to the negativity around the place (it certainly did with us) - but this window looks like it’s been a game changer. I wonder if in hindsight all his negativity will be viewed as messages to the board that they needed to spend in Jan. Just as I transitioned to Rodgers out, I think I’m probably now in the he should stay put camp. I was always a little uneasy with who could replace him - look what happened at Southampton with that idiot who lasted only 3 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 32 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: Whilst it is true that BR has had far greater resources to work with, the same can be said for many other clubs and managers too. Yes we are not the only club,who have stepped up that extra notch.. Brighton,Fulham,Wolves,W.Ham have invested,and even more so Now Newcastle.. Everton always do then waste it,which we did after title win.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppys Love Child Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 I've posted this before.. we could go on an unbeaten run until the end of the season winning 4 nil each game and I'd still want him gone. I just don't like him, trust him, or want him here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 (edited) All this new found love for Puel is laughable classic nostalgia as a stick to beat Brendan Rodgers with. His strengths were integrating youth etc but cant remember him being that adored when he was actually here. Edited 12 February 2023 by Nalis 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 Just now, Guppys Love Child said: I've posted this before.. we could go on an unbeaten run until the end of the season winning 4 nil each game and I'd still want him gone. I just don't like him, trust him, or want him here. Come on thats a bit naive is it not? He's unlikely to turn us into a top 4 or even top 6 challenging team again in my view but IF he did then surely we'd want to keep him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HighPeakFox Posted 12 February 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 12 February 2023 2 minutes ago, Guppys Love Child said: I've posted this before.. we could go on an unbeaten run until the end of the season winning 4 nil each game and I'd still want him gone. Do you realise how ridiculous this makes you sound? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppys Love Child Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: Do you realise how ridiculous this makes you sound? Yes..but I don't really care, I'm not going to change my view on him just because we have had two wins and a load of fickle fans suddenly think he has a 'solar anus' Nails seems to agree with me... do you want to give them some stick too? Edited 12 February 2023 by Guppys Love Child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 Just now, Guppys Love Child said: Yes..but I don't really care, I'm not going to change my view on him just because we have had two wins and a load of fickle fans suddenly think he has a 'solar anus' That's fair enough.... but you said if we won every match 4-0 for the rest of the season you'd have the same attitude. Which is a little disturbing, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 2 minutes ago, Guppys Love Child said: I'm not going to change my view on him just because we have had two wins Or even if we go unbeaten to the end of the season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Sionnach Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 26 minutes ago, wardyfox86 said: So any good moments of play are down to the players' intelligent game management, but any poor moments of play are down to Rodgers' awful game management? Nope I never said that. Poor play is down to the players. Poor technique, lack of thinking or wrong decisions , its entirely down to them . Perfectly illustrated by Tottenham's defending. Players are human and not remote controlled robots. Real football is nothing like computer games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 2 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said: I don’t like how Rodgers conducted himself before this transfer window, and I think it added to the negativity around the place (it certainly did with us) - but this window looks like it’s been a game changer. I wonder if in hindsight all his negativity will be viewed as messages to the board that they needed to spend in Jan. Just as I transitioned to Rodgers out, I think I’m probably now in the he should stay put camp. I was always a little uneasy with who could replace him - look what happened at Southampton with that idiot who lasted only 3 months. Much was many fans doing…especially the immature toxic rake over of his character. I don’t think he’s said anything untoward or insulted the club…but actually spoke some home truths over individual players,squad and club…which is within any managers remit or spectrum.. Most OTT scenarios came from fans,who weirdly created a false fact platform.. Everything & how fan statements and critic on Rodger who’s only done or …actually mirror only/also other managers attack/calming/ man management/ critic rhetoric when in their various spectrums of club management… PEp,Klopp,Ferguson,Wenger,Mourhino,Smith, and joe bloggs…as best examples Too many fans go far too much in depth on football manager-rhetoric,same as over analysing players mistakes… Fans selling the young players short when more experienced players are failing, lousy lazy POV & punditry.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Guppys Love Child said: I've posted this before.. we could go on an unbeaten run until the end of the season winning 4 nil each game and I'd still want him gone. I just don't like him, trust him, or want him here. Poor boy..today is Sunday. So I will pray for your burning soul,on all religious temples. You seem a person who can’t let things go.. Wouldnt suprise me if you are a really nice guy,who just occasionally enjoys kicking the cat,like all of us… Edited 12 February 2023 by fuchsntf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppys Love Child Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, fuchsntf said: Poor boy..today is Sunday. So I will pray for your burning soul,on all religious temples. You seem a person who can’t let things go.. Wouldnt suprise me if you are a really nice guy,who just occasionally enjoys kicking the cat,like all of us… I am a nice guy...I wouldn't kick a cat that's cruel...just pray away my friend if it makes you feel better. Still Rodgers out regardless of what you or anyone else says .. Edited 12 February 2023 by Guppys Love Child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppys Love Child Posted 12 February 2023 Share Posted 12 February 2023 17 minutes ago, StanSP said: Or even if we go unbeaten to the end of the season... Nope..if we do that I'd be ecstatic if we did. I want us to win every game like any fan would But I don't like the bloke..just like others have posted as well that they too can't stand him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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