Popular Post coolhandfox Posted 18 February 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 18 February 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SafewayFox said: Before people get personal about their views on Potter, can I just say that is quite weird in itself. Look at the mess that Tuchel left the club and had them playing even worse football with shocking results/performances like the one at Leeds and many more. They are rightly being called out for spending so much money but when look at the players they’ve signed, how many would have been signed off by Potter? Spending 600m and not buying a recognised striker other than a past it Aubameyang who was bombed out of Arsenal by Arteta, is their biggest problem NOT Potter. Has he underachieved? Yes Is he now some awful manager? No Really. He Champion League in his first season, finished 4th in the PL. Last season reached the FA Cup and League Cup final and wonù the UEFA Super Cup and FIFA Club World Cup. Finished 3rd in the PL. 6th when he was sacked. Right mess . Most Chelsea fans would have him back tomorrow. Edited 18 February 2023 by coolhandfox 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 18 February 2023 Share Posted 18 February 2023 2 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: Really. He Champion League in his first season, finished 4th in the PL. Last season reached the FA Cup and League Cup final and wonù the UEFA Super Cup and FIFA Club World Cup. Finished 3rd in the PL. 6th when he was sacked. Right mess . Most Chelsea fans would have him back tomorrow. Lets not count friendlies as genuine trophies. It annoys the life out of me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickyblueeyes Posted 18 February 2023 Share Posted 18 February 2023 22 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Called on your false facts and having a laugh tantrum, come on. Look every top level CEO, director or manager I know talks shite or in sound bites when public speaking, but they are almost uniformly successful, so I am unsure what point you are even trying to sell here. Some fans (note I didn’t say all or some other imagined leading quantity) don’t like him, ok, fine, that’s your or anyone’s total right and it has been said plenty, not sure it’s going anywhere mind. Excuse me ? What’s wrong with you ? Childish at best in terms of a response. My point was that what comes out of senior officials mouth matters. That’s universal. You can have a fantastic talented person running an organisation but if what they’re saying annoys, upsets, disappoints or on the other side encourages, that individual will be held accountable. If someone’s opinion matters it will carry weight - the managers opinion matters, that’s all. I think it’s incredibly naive to think otherwise - apparently I’m trying to sell something - well, if If that is the case I am setting out that pretending to ignore it is just not going to happen. People tend to buy into a complete product and that poor communication combined with an unsuccessful period didn’t seem to sell very well. Communications is a huge part of major organisations. What exactly have I said that is so controversial - I genuinely don’t know. If you don’t feel that, fine I’m not going to try and convince you. First time I’ve noticed you on this forum I’m not particularly concern if I’ve been successful in getting it across to you but coming out in this ridiculous way as if I’ve said something so insulting of Rodgers (considering what else has been written in this thread (probably by me as well at some stage) that is actually laughable) is actually laughable, I’m sorry it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gw_leics772 Posted 18 February 2023 Share Posted 18 February 2023 4 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said: "Rodgers should apologise" Jesus H Christ waht wetwipes. God knows how some of you get through your day without bursting into tears. I don't! (please don't call me a wetwipes 😭) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafewayFox Posted 18 February 2023 Share Posted 18 February 2023 6 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: Really. He Champion League in his first season, finished 4th in the PL. Last season reached the FA Cup and League Cup final and wonù the UEFA Super Cup and FIFA Club World Cup. Finished 3rd in the PL. 6th when he was sacked. Right mess . Most Chelsea fans would have him back tomorrow. That really is NOT the narrative from my ST holders at the Bridge. The atmosphere during his last few months weren’t all rosey like you make out. Sixth (first week in September) but lost to Southampton, Leeds and Dinamo Zagreb 🙈 I’m not denying Tuchel’s initial success but look at his career and he doesn’t last longer than two years at a club as appears to fall out with the board/players. Curious about your thoughts on the rest of my post though mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 18 February 2023 Share Posted 18 February 2023 12 minutes ago, filbertway said: Lets not count friendlies as genuine trophies. It annoys the life out of me I'm here to please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 18 February 2023 Share Posted 18 February 2023 2 minutes ago, SafewayFox said: That really is NOT the narrative from my ST holders at the Bridge. The atmosphere during his last few months weren’t all rosey like you make out. Sixth (first week in September) but lost to Southampton, Leeds and Dinamo Zagreb 🙈 I’m not denying Tuchel’s initial success but look at his career and he doesn’t last longer than two years at a club as appears to fall out with the board/players. Curious about your thoughts on the rest of my post though mate? I've no doubt he's not siging the players, I generally believe he's a average manager who lucky to have even been interviewed by Chelsea let alone appointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so1 Posted 18 February 2023 Share Posted 18 February 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dahnsouff said: On the flip side nothing you said is true is it? Just an opinion and yes, it’s the lifeblood of any forum. Yes he is smarmy and unpalatable but he is a good coach and the players seem to like him, or at least none seems to have come out and stated an opposition to this I think? Damn you took the words right out of my mouth. Well except the smarmy and unpalatable part . I found a solution for that when he brushed up on the press speak at Celtic. I stopped listening. I'm long past thinking anything of interest to come out of his role of spokesman for the club. They all do it. It's an art form learning how to make nothing sound like something. Just want him to stay as a world class football manager. Not a politician Edited 18 February 2023 by so1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 18 February 2023 Share Posted 18 February 2023 58 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said: Do you really think you can go from managing in the Swedish fourth division and Northern Counties East League to the Champions League by being “a fraud”? You can debate his merits about how good a coach he is, but to dismiss him as shit is ridiculous. Especially given he’s obviously better than so many coaches who have got jobs because they’ve had decent playing careers. Craig Shakespeare has managed at champions league level, that barometer doesn’t really work. All I’ve been told for years after not seeing it is how good this geezer is, he’s finally given the tools at his disposal and he’s doing an absolutely horrific job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafewayFox Posted 18 February 2023 Share Posted 18 February 2023 25 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: I've no doubt he's not siging the players, I generally believe he's a average manager who lucky to have even been interviewed by Chelsea let alone appointed. Fair enough mate. I believe that Potter is a good coach and whether it works out at Chelsea for him or not, he’ll still go on and do some decent things in football. That’s what this place is about though to have a level headed debate 👌🏻 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 18 February 2023 Share Posted 18 February 2023 I didn’t even realise this was the Rodgers thread, the thing I don’t get about wanting Potter to be his successor is it is very much of the same, whether you rate him even, he’s shown that he’s too stubborn by his playing style than actually getting results on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFox Posted 19 February 2023 Share Posted 19 February 2023 1 hour ago, filbertway said: Lets not count friendlies as genuine trophies. It annoys the life out of me We count the charity shield as a trophy im fairly sure if we ever got to a super cup most would take it seriously Its not like we win stuff regularly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 19 February 2023 Share Posted 19 February 2023 7 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said: Excuse me ? What’s wrong with you ? Childish at best in terms of a response. My point was that what comes out of senior officials mouth matters. That’s universal. You can have a fantastic talented person running an organisation but if what they’re saying annoys, upsets, disappoints or on the other side encourages, that individual will be held accountable. If someone’s opinion matters it will carry weight - the managers opinion matters, that’s all. I think it’s incredibly naive to think otherwise - apparently I’m trying to sell something - well, if If that is the case I am setting out that pretending to ignore it is just not going to happen. People tend to buy into a complete product and that poor communication combined with an unsuccessful period didn’t seem to sell very well. Communications is a huge part of major organisations. What exactly have I said that is so controversial - I genuinely don’t know. If you don’t feel that, fine I’m not going to try and convince you. First time I’ve noticed you on this forum I’m not particularly concern if I’ve been successful in getting it across to you but coming out in this ridiculous way as if I’ve said something so insulting of Rodgers (considering what else has been written in this thread (probably by me as well at some stage) that is actually laughable) is actually laughable, I’m sorry it is. Yes, he is not a good communicator, far worse than he thinks he is, but so what? He gets results, the players seem to like him, Top seems to like him, and the problem seems to be with consumers of his crap reading everything they want to into it. Can’t you get over who he is, despite these results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
when_you're_smiling Posted 19 February 2023 Share Posted 19 February 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said: Craig Shakespeare has managed at champions league level, that barometer doesn’t really work. All I’ve been told for years after not seeing it is how good this geezer is, he’s finally given the tools at his disposal and he’s doing an absolutely horrific job Craig Shakespeare proves my point. Not an ex-player but got dropped into it, only managed 27 games and got found out. He didn’t build up a career as a manager right from the bottom over 15 years. Very few have as it’s so difficult to do. Edited 19 February 2023 by when_you're_smiling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickyblueeyes Posted 19 February 2023 Share Posted 19 February 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dahnsouff said: Yes, he is not a good communicator, far worse than he thinks he is, but so what? He gets results, the players seem to like him, Top seems to like him, and the problem seems to be with consumers of his crap reading everything they want to into it. Can’t you get over who he is, despite these results? When have I said I’m criticising who he is ? Honestly, what are you defending ? Read the first post which you decided to interact with. Take it in, understand it and then, respond with smile. As much you want that post to be a dig at Rodgers and/or his personality, it really wasn’t. Far from it. This has to be one of the most ridiculous exchanges I’ve ever had on Foxestalk. Love it. Edited 19 February 2023 by Mickyblueeyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 19 February 2023 Share Posted 19 February 2023 10 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said: Classing a PL football managers poor approach to press conferences/interviews as noise or irrelevant is naive at best. Of course it matters. It matters massively what comes out of the mouth of such a senior executive. It’s why our Comms director is paid so much. He alienated a large amount of the fan base due to such comments and rightly so is held accountable. 7 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said: When have I said I’m criticising who he is ? Honestly, what are you defending ? Read the first post which you decided to interact with. Take it in, understand it and then, respond with smile. As much you want that post to be a dig at Rodgers and/or his personality, it really wasn’t. Far from it. This has to be one of the most ridiculous exchanges I’ve ever had on Foxestalk. Love it. So what exactly are you criticising then? Surely you are not going to suggest you are not criticising? Because these posts do feel like criticism, help a guy out here! Nothing wrong with criticism, he deserves some for sure over the last couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickyblueeyes Posted 19 February 2023 Share Posted 19 February 2023 2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: So what exactly are you criticising then? Surely you are not going to suggest you are not criticising? Because these posts do feel like criticism, help a guy out here! Nothing wrong with criticism, he deserves some for sure over the last couple of years. A) I’m calling out his approach to interviews (see sentence one) - if anything; B) I’m saying anyone who thinks what he (or anyone whose opinion matters) is irrelevant is being rather naive (see sentence 1 & 2). C) The opinion of a senior official matters - it can have an impact on customers (or in this case fans). How you taken that as me saying Rodgers is a knobhead with a knobhead personality that has had us speaking probably three post two many ?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 19 February 2023 Share Posted 19 February 2023 1 minute ago, Mickyblueeyes said: A) I’m calling out his approach to interviews (see sentence one) - if anything; B) I’m saying anyone who thinks what he (or anyone whose opinion matters) is irrelevant is being rather naive (see sentence 1 & 2). C) The opinion of a senior official matters - it can have an impact on customers (or in this case fans). How you taken that as me saying Rodgers is a knobhead with a knobhead personality that has had us speaking probably three post two many ?? Fair enough, A) Indifferent to his spiel, B) disagree, because of my response too A, and C) Yes their opinions matter, ours far less so But yes, way, too much chatter on this! Let’s hope today is a good day, as I can see it being so!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 19 February 2023 Share Posted 19 February 2023 5 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Fair enough, A) Indifferent to his spiel, B) disagree, because of my response too A, and C) Yes their opinions matter, ours far less so But yes, way, too much chatter on this! Let’s hope today is a good day, as I can see it being so!! It's important to not wilfully misunderstand, or be childish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 19 February 2023 Share Posted 19 February 2023 3 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: It's important to not wilfully misunderstand, or be childish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 19 February 2023 Share Posted 19 February 2023 10 hours ago, coolhandfox said: Aubameyang, Datro Fofana so that's two. Yeah but not real ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetintedspecs Posted 19 February 2023 Share Posted 19 February 2023 Saw some activity on Brendan Rodgers thread , had a look to see what and it's a cat fight about Potter, makes FoxesTalk sense I suppose 🤷♂️🤣 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickyblueeyes Posted 19 February 2023 Share Posted 19 February 2023 This thread certainly brings out the bitter ones on FT. Especially when we are doing well. So with that, at 5pm today, I want this thread filled with them - telling us how silly we are!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 19 February 2023 Share Posted 19 February 2023 I was shocked by Rodgers' quote in the mercury about maddison. Is this some kind of for sale sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 19 February 2023 Share Posted 19 February 2023 11 hours ago, so1 said: Just want him to stay as a world class football manager. Not a politician 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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