Brendan Rodgers

[sacreblueits442]

11 minutes ago, turtmcfly said:

 

He only 'lasted' two years at Swansea because Liverpool nabbed him. 

 

I bet you can do Celtic yourself. 

 

...Rangers came back...!!!

[coolhandfox]

4 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

To put it into context, Chelsea were superb on Saturday and yet at about 15 minutes in, Kante put a misplaced pass out into touch when in the final third... Tuchel went NUTS. He screamed at Kante telling him to get his act together and that simply wasn't good enough. Meanwhile in the 40th minute Soumare and Ndidi conspired to put the ball out of touch 2 yards from the touchline and Rodgers simply shrugged his shoulders in disappointment. 

 

I get this point, if his players can't make a basic pass then what can he do about it? But at the same time, it shows you that the elite managers have standards that players can't drop from. Conte at the weekend also turned Spurs from the team with the worst running stats in the league to outrunning Leeds, who were the current highest runners in just 3 games. Again elite level coaching on display there.

If it was just about scream and shouting Warnock would be a triple CL winner.

[Flappit]

Wow... talk about history repeating itself. Some more quotes from that Liverpool thread near the end of Rodgers' reign...

 

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Time for Brendan Rodgers to be ruthless.

I have watched Liverpool for nearly 40 years & the game vs Palace is the first time i have
ever not seen a game to the final whistle.

Shocking display,gutless & toothless.

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We have been crying out for the past 2 months for him to be ruthless.

The problem is not the players.

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You know what.
Perhaps it's not that he's not brave or ruthless enough to make certain moves, what if he can't even see it? He really looks lost beyond belief and chipped by our predicament.

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Agreed. They're part of it - some more than others - but every single one of them is playing way, way below their level at the moment and that isn't simply a coincidence or down to a lack of confidence or momentum alone. They aren't the strongest bunch mentally (despite last season's efforts) and they should be doing better individually and collectively, but the latter part is down to the manager and I don't know what he's doing at the moment. I'd love to know what Brendan's ideas are because we haven't appeared to have had any for three months now and our season's going to be effectively over before Christmas at this rate.

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We've seen in the past sacking managers so hastily isn't really the way to go. He got us playing the best football we have seen from a Liverpool side, but there was no pressure and we exceeded all expectations in a season where everything went right.

Nothing this season has gone right, the pressure, loss of Suarez, Gerrard's steep decline, and the inability to strengthen our two most crucial areas (CB and ST)... there's going to be serious questions asked.

Bit of a mess at the moment.

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Rodgers looks to have lost the plot. Flexibility was the making of him last season, dogmatism could spell the end for him this season

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The man is wrecking two years of progress with his stubbornness at the moment. It's utterly depressing to watch.

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Yep. Persisting and consistently making the same errors and not fixing things. The definition of madness is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results. Or is that just another phrase for being clueless? I'm utterly appalled at how far backwards we've went from last season, and the majority of the blame for that lies at our manager's feet I'm afraid.

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I need a rant... Seriously what does the team do all week? What was the plan tonight? Not a single fluid move all night... Attackers all doing their own thing, defenders have even less idea what's going on...

Mignolet... That kick out on the full lead to the goal.. He has to go...

Lovren and Skrtel clearly not working.. Why stick with it?

Johnson did nothing... Gerrard passed backwards all day. Did not make a tackle worthy of mention...

Coutinho looked like he was play Fifa... Just dribble and offload when he had nowhere to go... Sterling looks wasted waiting for the ball...

That was terrible all round...

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With Rodgers defending, I can thinking of many bottom half clubs that defend better than us, nearly every team can threaten our midfield too, while I don't need to tell you about our attack.

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Rodgers has really lost his way. He showed absolutely no passion or concern from the moment Palace equalized on. He just sat there like a bump on a log, out of ideas. His body language translates directly to the performance on the pitch. Feel like he wouldn't be bothered in the least if he got the can.

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Unlucky, good commitment, and I can't fault their desire. Same shit all over again. Rinse and repeat.

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Being brutally honest I dont see him turning this around hes drowning out there i would love for him to acknowledge theres a problem but come Wednesday Johnson, Lovren, Skrtel, Gerrard, Mario will all be back and round and round we go.

 

 

It goes on. Honestly, it's a goldmine. Anyone questioning why some of us are asking for Rodgers to be relieved of his duties... well, there you go.

Edited 22 November 2021 by Flappit

[An Sionnach]

3 minutes ago, An Away Move said:

I’ve been saying this since pre-season because it was clear then. It’s really stupid playing him on his own up front and IMO is a major factor why we are constantly recycling the ball. We’re far more dangerous with the pace of Daka up front or starting with two strikers - but when we do this Rodgers sacrifices Lookman and Barnes. 

Our problems are defensive ,not attacking threat . This has been there since last season. We concede too many goals and this was the case when Fofana and Justin were fit. Until we become a better organised team at the back we will not achieve consistency. That is entirely the responsibility of Rodgers and his coaching team. Jonny Evans can play brilliantly for N.I. during the week and then be part of a shambles on Saturday.. This has got to be sorted very quickly.

[sacreblueits442]

10 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

To put it into context, Chelsea were superb on Saturday and yet at about 15 minutes in, Kante put a misplaced pass out into touch when in the final third... Tuchel went NUTS. He screamed at Kante telling him to get his act together and that simply wasn't good enough. Meanwhile in the 40th minute Soumare and Ndidi conspired to put the ball out of touch 2 yards from the touchline and Rodgers simply shrugged his shoulders in disappointment. 

 

I get this point, if his players can't make a basic pass then what can he do about it? But at the same time, it shows you that the elite managers have standards that players can't drop from. Conte at the weekend also turned Spurs from the team with the worst running stats in the league to outrunning Leeds, who were the current highest runners in just 3 games. Again elite level coaching on display there.

...that sort of over- reaction can in the end alienate players!!!

  I don't belive berating Kante, of all people, is a master stroke in man management. 

  

[Sharpe's Fox]

Loads of people blowing hot air on here. If you genuiniely want Brendan gone then come up wth a name to take over who isn't going to be controversial. I get its a football forum and moaning comes with the territory but who spends their energy writing paragraphs of text saying the manager is done when they can't be bothered to think of someone else? Not serious people.

[StriderHiryu]

16 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

If it was just about scream and shouting Warnock would be a triple CL winner.

 

6 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...that sort of over- reaction can in the end alienate players!!!

  I don't belive berating Kante, of all people, is a master stroke in man management. 

  

Fair points, but what I'm saying is less about shouting at people for the sake of shouting, and more about letting standards slip. 

 

As a squad out standards have slipped. Conceding sloppy goals, making sloppy passes, switching off at the wrong times. It's not intentional, but it has happened. Any team can hit a slump, look at Liverpool early last season. But it's how you deal with it in order to get out of that slump. 

 

Also that berating of Kante worked 100%. 5 minutes after being lambasted he ran through the entire Leicester midfield and hit a beauty past Schmeichel. Sometimes you need to demand more from your players in order to get it.

[deep blue]

11 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...that sort of over- reaction can in the end alienate players!!!

  I don't belive berating Kante, of all people, is a master stroke in man management. 

  

Absolutely agree with that.  You shouldn't show petulance like that against a player's mistakes, especially in front of the crowd.

Edited 22 November 2021 by deep blue

[Flappit]

2 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Loads of people blowing hot air on here. If you genuiniely want Brendan gone then come up wth a name to take over who isn't going to be controversial. I get its a football forum and moaning comes with the territory but who spends their energy writing paragraphs of text saying the manager is done when they can't be bothered to think of someone else? Not serious people.

This is utter tosh. If you are a director at work and your manager isn't doing the job, you don't say "oh well, what if we can't find someone better to replace him?" you act to stop the rot and change things because he's not doing what you pay him for. How many unknown players succeed and how many known "good" ones fail?  Pogba and Ronaldo, to name but two. People like you that dismiss criticism because "we can't think of anyone better" are really not thinking about the problem in the right way.

[Matt]

People who want to see him show some emotion, animation and frustration on the touchline.

 

We’ve seen it.

 

When we were 3-0 up at half time v West Brom last season….

 

Edited 22 November 2021 by Matt

[ealingfox]

14 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Loads of people blowing hot air on here. If you genuiniely want Brendan gone then come up wth a name to take over who isn't going to be controversial. I get its a football forum and moaning comes with the territory but who spends their energy writing paragraphs of text saying the manager is done when they can't be bothered to think of someone else? Not serious people.

 

Unless those people are also analysts employed by the club why does it matter if they can't come up with a name? They're not involved in recruiting the next manager. 

 

StevieLynexsBreaststroke242 off FoxesTalk being unable to name a manager they can guarantee would improve the current state of the team doesn't mean such a manager doesn't exist. Can't believe I have to keep saying this.

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

This is pretty much it for me. 

 

He's a smart man, he knows football, he mostly understands the game tactically. He makes some stupid decisions when he's floundering looking for answers but by and large he gets it. 

 

But he's also a robot. He's absolutely naff at the human stuff. The squad would run through brick walls for the Pearson/Shakespeare double act, between them they had that balance, they knew how to get more from the squad. 

 

It doesn't feel like Rodgers could get Diego Costa fired up. From the outside looking in, it feels like he can bond with players on a tactical level, on an intellectual level, he can coach them and improve parts of their game and instruct them and that's great. But when their self belief has taken a hit or they're complacent, or having an off day, or whatever else - he's pretty much never managed to reverse that. 

 

It takes months at a time, often with a significant non playing break, for him to stop a slide.

 

Psychology is a massive part of a elite sport. There's players at all levels of English football who have the technical or athletic ability to put a ball in a goal from 30 yards, to play a 40 yard pass, to make an inch perfect slide tackle, to dribble around someone, to run an 11 second 100m. Often what makes a Premier League player is the brain, the ability to do these things under intense pressure and expectation at the highest level. 

 

It's critical you have a coach that can manage that, even if it's not Rodgers himself, SOMEONE in his staff needs to have that relationship with the players and evidently they don't. 

..I  have said it a few times, in order to resolve this impasse he needs someone to come to work alongside!!!

  Now we all know Shakey was good with the players and a pretty good Coach as well. But perhaps we need a Coach from the continent to fill in the areas Rodgers is blind to.

 

Nb.

 I thought Rodgers was supposed to be an elite man manager, it doesn't sound as if you are buying into that mantra.

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 minute ago, sacreblueits442 said:

..I  have said it a few times, in order to resolve this impasse he needs someone to come to work alongside!!!

  Now we all know Shakey was good with the players and a pretty good Coach as well. But perhaps we need a Coach from the continent to fill in the areas Rodgers is blind to.

 

Nb.

 I thought Rodgers was supposed to be an elite man manager, it doesn't sound as if you are buying into that mantra.

Such a great point. Sometimes someone whose willing to disagree a bit may further enhance the management team. 

[Happy Fox]

I definitely feel the rumours of Poch are to force Brendan’s hand to make a decision.

[Stevosevic]

Why would MP walk away from PSG right now when he has Mbappe, Messi and Neymar to win the CL? 

 

End of the season maybe but leaving now would be insane. 

[An Away Move]

47 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Our problems are defensive ,not attacking threat . This has been there since last season. We concede too many goals and this was the case when Fofana and Justin were fit. Until we become a better organised team at the back we will not achieve consistency. That is entirely the responsibility of Rodgers and his coaching team. Jonny Evans can play brilliantly for N.I. during the week and then be part of a shambles on Saturday.. This has got to be sorted very quickly.

It not a binary thing. Our defence is put under much more pressure because there aren’t enough options to make the pass. This is (a) because playing an ageing Vardy as the sole striker limits options and (b) because we are bottom of the league for players making sprints. If I can see it is a problem why the hell can’t Rodgers?

Right from pre-season we’ve looked better when playing with more than one up front. 

[Sly]

53 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Our problems are defensive ,not attacking threat . This has been there since last season. We concede too many goals and this was the case when Fofana and Justin were fit. Until we become a better organised team at the back we will not achieve consistency. That is entirely the responsibility of Rodgers and his coaching team. Jonny Evans can play brilliantly for N.I. during the week and then be part of a shambles on Saturday.. This has got to be sorted very quickly.

Evans is just a cog is a machine. 
 

We’ve got fullbacks options currently, that are far more comfortable going forwards. Think back to 15/16, to keep clean sheets, we swapped in Simpson/ Fuchs, who whilst less dynamic going forwards (Fuchs is debatable compared to Schlupp), we solidified the defence. We either need to change the midfield and drop wingers (as our wi gets don’t protect the full backs either) to support that defence, or change the full backs to more defensive players. 
 

The great teams, obviously have players that do both. We don’t have that option. 

[Sly]

3 minutes ago, An Away Move said:

It not a binary thing. Our defence is put under much more pressure because there aren’t enough options to make the pass. This is (a) because playing an ageing Vardy as the sole striker limits options and (b) because we are bottom of the league for players making sprints. If I can see it is a problem why the hell can’t Rodgers?

Right from pre-season we’ve looked better when playing with more than one up front. 

Agreed, the current tactics isolate players. Vardy is great, however he offers less to the (team) each season. He’ll always score goals though. He can’t defend from the front for 70% of the game like he once could. 

[brookfox]

We’ve definitely underperformed this season for which Rogers needs to take a slice of the blame. Can he turn it around? Let’s be honest nobody knows, but history suggests more managers fail to do so as opposed to succeeding.

 

The main thing you’d be asking as a Man Utd supporter/board member is if he’s actually up to the job. It was fairly clear on Saturday he’s behind Tuchel (and the likes of Klopp and Guardiola) in the elite tier of manager. Say what we want about their recent history but that’s where they should be aiming.

 

For us it feels like even if he stays his future is almost too much of a distraction and whether it’s this job or the next seems like his persona is almost becoming too big for the club.

[An Away Move]

1 minute ago, Sly said:

Agreed, the current tactics isolate players. Vardy is great, however he offers less to the (team) each season. He’ll always score goals though. He can’t defend from the front for 70% of the game like he once could. 

He’s also being out run and out muscled at times. It’s just the reality of being the age that he is. I would have thought it was obvious and the sensible thing to do to manage him better and give Daka more time as a substitute, which would also help to integrate him better. Ditto with Youri and KDH. Youri has been run into the ground through a ridiculous amount of 90m games and KDH has gone from being red hot in pre-season to whatever the opposite of match sharp is. There’s so much Rodgers is doing badly. 

[filbertway]

1 hour ago, Flappit said:

Interesting first post in this thread from Liverpool's forum back in 2014. Why does lots of this sound ever so familiar, I wonder...? 

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=317918.0

 

Just to highlight one paragraph... 

So putting aside the frustrations of Liverpool fans that the club seem to have bought poorly in the summer, the defence is looking a mess, tactically they seem naïve and the lack of cutting edge in attack – Rodgers has to do something in order to get results . The club despite all their problems this season are only 4 points from the top four. Rodgers needs to prove that he can be pragmatic again this season, like he was last season and adjust his tactics to get the best out of the squad he has now.

 

 

 

Time For Brendan Rodgers To Be Pragmatic (again)

Last season Brendan Rodgers had little to worry about in terms of scrutiny from the Liverpool fans and the media. Everything looked rosy, with the club competing for the title, young players developing, senior players thriving and whatever questions were being asked of him, he generally had the right answers for most of them.

He was often called ‘pragmatic’ and you can see why given Liverpool were still winning games without Suarez at the beginning of the season, when Sturridge got injured and using various different formations throughout the season.

I was going to say what a difference a year makes, but actually this time last year Liverpool fans were critical of many of the performances of the side and individual players, most notably Gerrard and Sterling. Yet the side was still picking up points despite not being at their best and these two players went on to be key individuals in the second half of the season.

I guess that highlights how form and confidence is important for the majority of players and maybe if Sterling was a new signing last season, he would be getting written off by many as Markovic seems to have been this season. Maybe a little patience and support we could see Markovic look like the exciting talent he has shown for Benfica and his country. Who knows!

But generally last season was a big success for Brendan Rodgers and the club. But you can’t say the same so far this season and having spent heavily due to the sale of Suarez, new signings struggling and results being poor – scrutiny is intense on Rodgers and he is under a lot of pressure.

Since Rodgers took over at Liverpool they have been vulnerable defensively. Rodgers last season blamed individual mistakes as the main issue and spent heavily in the summer to try and solve that with the additions of Lovren and Moreno. However the defence is not any better this season, if anything it is worse and fans are questioning whether Rodgers can actually fix it. Last season Liverpool were scoring so many goals, it made up for the vulnerable issues at the back, as when the opposition did score two or three goals, Liverpool simply scored more – usually.

This season however the attack is looking blunt and I don’t think people believe that all the players that have played in GK and defence in the last three years can all be bad players to be making the large amount of mistakes that they have. In the three years under Rodgers Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, Sakho, Lovren, Johnson, Flanagan, Moreno, Enrique, Reina and Mignolet etc have all made too many errors. But a lot of these players have proven over the years that they can be part of solid defences (Carragher – winning numerous trophies at LFC), Agger (got to Champs League final), Skrtel (partnered Carragher during title challenge under Benitez), Sakho (looks solid for France), Lovren (last season for Southampton) etc. etc. So maybe, just maybe the issues are with the tactics and not the players themselves?

It is hard to argue that the tactics aren’t the issues when Mignolet seems reluctant to come of his line and control his area under any high ball. Rodgers instructs the full backs to both bomb forward and offer the width in attack and we have Gerrard, who is not a defensive minded player really, as the player who is meant to protect the defense. This will leave space and make the centre backs vulnerable. That’s without mentioning the defending at set plays, where the defence looks all over the place. I think Rodgers might have to be pragmatic and adjust his ideal approach for the defence and make it more solid, especially with the attack not bailing them out this season.

This is the main issue that is frustrating Liverpool fans. They all had pretty much accepted that under Rodgers defensively they might not be the most solid team in the league, given the attacking intent of the side. However it looks very obvious that without Sturridge Liverpool lack the cutting edge in attack. The club have clearly lost Suarez but the additions of Lambert and Balotelli, look to have been poor buys and Borini has never looked good enough for a club with the aspirations of Liverpool. This is highlighted when all three of these strikers have failed to score for the club in the league having played over 1000 minutes between them. That’s not just lacking cutting edge, that is not cutting the ‘Dejan (Lovren) Mustard’.

So putting aside the frustrations of Liverpool fans that the club seem to have bought poorly in the summer, the defence is looking a mess, tactically they seem naïve and the lack of cutting edge in attack – Rodgers has to do something in order to get results . The club despite all their problems this season are only 4 points from the top four. Rodgers needs to prove that he can be pragmatic again this season, like he was last season and adjust his tactics to get the best out of the squad he has now.

These are a few ways I think he can go about doing that:

1) Drop Lovren. I know he was the big summer buy defensively, but the truth is he has really struggled in all departments. He constantly been out of position, he has collided with his cb partner for going for headers which weren’t his to go for… He has not won the headers when they are his to win and most importantly he is making too many errors which are costing us goals nearly every game. Take him out of the team, give him a break and maybe when he does get a chance again he looks more like the players he did at Southampton. If ever a player needed to work with Dr Peters – it is him!

2) Play players in form. I am thinking of our best defensive display this season on this issue against Real Madrid, when Kolo Toure was immense, Lucas protected the back four better than Gerrard has all season and we looked far more solid as a result. These two deserved to keep their places in the team after that match and I’d have both starting on the weekend, as we need to pick on form over reputation and I think they will make us more solid defensively.

3) If Sakho is fit, I think he should partner Toure. Toure is a right sided defender, Sakho play on the left. They should complement each other and Lovren / Skrtel have both disappointed this season. Sakho is brilliant for France, he has all the tools to be a top class CB for LFC, he just needs regular games.

4) Change the position of Gerrard. It just seems bizarre to me that with a team struggling for goals we play a player of ours who has scored over 100 goals for us and numerous more assists to his name in the defensive midfield position. He’s a match winner, we need them and he can produce moments that can win us games with a cross, shot, through ball etc. Last season it made sense to play him deeper as we had a great attack without him with Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling all thriving, those three needed quick ball and Gerrard provided it. This season it is different, we are playing our oldest player in a position which exposes his weaknesses, defensively and his aging legs.

Surely it makes much more sense to have him higher up the field with freedom to win us games and little defensive responsibly to save his legs? I’d like to see him either get a free role, with energy around him to do the majority of his running. Like Newcastle did with Shearer, with Bellamy, Dyer, Robert doing this. Or Arsenal did with Bergkamp, having legs and movement around him and allowed his passing to still hurt teams and win games. We should be doing something similar with Gerrard. We have the players to do it as well with Sterling, Lallana, Henderson, Can etc. to do his running for him.

The other option I think is playing Gerrard upfront with a partner. Last season the diamond worked to great effect, allowing Suarez and Sturridge to roam and win us games, with the rest of the side just trying to stop us losing them. Put Gerrard upfront, as he is arguably our best finisher, especially with Sturridge injured, upfront with a license to go where he wants, someone to link up with and I’m sure he will be doing better than Lambert, Balotelli and Borini have shown thus far this season. When Rodgers put Gerrard higher up the field to link with Balotelli a few games ago, we saw Gerrard still had the quality to be a real asset in the opposition half. Let’s have Lucas or Can or Henderson or Allen doing the defensive work in midfield and allow one of our few match winners to be worrying the opposition more higher up the pitch.

5) Stop playing One Upfront. The side has struggled all season with one upfront. Even when Sturridge played in the first two games against Southampton and Manchester City, very few chances were created. Against Spurs Rodgers played two upfront and Sturridge looked much better and it was our best performance of the season as a result. Balotelli doesn’t seem to know how to play upfront on his own. He looks isolated, is static in his movement when we have the ball and as a result our midfield have trouble creating chances for him (saying that when he has had them – he’s missed!). Lambert also doesn’t suit playing upfront on his own as he is quite slow, isn’t very mobile and needs a partner to link up with. Borini can’t play upfront on his own as he struggle to hold the ball up, which is vital in that position. So why is Rodgers still playing with a lone striker? I think it would suit all these three playing with a partner, when they do play.

6) Consider playing Sterling upfront. Our strikers are not scoring. What is worse they don’t look like causing the opposition any problems. We can continue to keep playing them, hoping they will come good, when deep down we know the problem is their quality not confidence. Or we could maybe try something else and play Sterling upfront (maybe with Gerrard) and give the opposition something else to think about. I don’t think many cb’s would fancy marking Sterling given his energy, willingness to run behind a back four and his skill. Gerrard alongside him or in a free role behind, he could thread the passes through to him or link up with Sterling. It surely must be worth a try over seeing more of the static Balotelli or Lambert leading the line for us or the toothless Borini? Sterling did well against Real Madrid in this role and if you give him support in a two, then he could succeed even more in this role. It is clearly not his best position, as that is at the tip of the diamond. But when we have Coutinho or Lallana who can also play that position, then maybe it is worth a try until Sturridge is back fit. Would be nice to see some movement and pace upfront, that’s what defenders fear, as we saw last season.

7) Don’t let the full backs both go forward at the same time. Sure, let the full backs get forward if the ball is down their side of the field, as we need to see an overlap and bodies getting forward. But both at the same time? It really leaves the defence exposed and it would be more solid having the full backs pivot between going forward and staying back. Giving the defence more protection and not leaving us so vulnerable on the counter attack.

8.) Only pass round the back with the keeper when there is time & space. Passing round the back can work, Barcelona have proven that plenty of times over the years. However it can also be costly, when the opposition press it aggressively. I have no problem with passing round the back, when our players have the time and space to do it. I can reluctantly understand doing it when you have a keeper who is very comfortable with his feet and a back four who are the same, doing it under pressure. But we don’t have that and I don’t see the point in passing it round the back until we get in trouble and then hoofing it up the pitch. We might as well hit it long in the first place. I think Rodgers needs to tell the back four and keeper to only do it when the time is right and not every time.

These are a few ways I think we can improve. You might not agree with all of them or most of them, but surely something has to change as what we have been doing isn’t working. All the above suggestions however would have to result in Rodgers being bold and pragmatic. It is what he did last season, I think he’s going to have to look outside of the box this season if he wants to keep the fans and media off his back by getting the side winning more games. At least until he can buy in January or when Sturridge is back to help paper over the cracks.

Below are a couple of formations I would like to see us use against Crystal Palace.

Option 1



Option 2



Whether Rodgers agrees, we’ll find out soon, but if he doesn’t I fear the worst without Sturridge who looks to be out for a further six weeks. Something has to change and it will ultimately be either – the tactics, the players or the manager. I’d like to see us try different tactics and players before we lose faith with this manager, but he has to change it we can’t do it for him. I will continue to support Rodgers, as last season was very special I think it gave him a lot of credit in the bank, but I am finding it hard to see a lot of his reasoning this season and something has to change.[/quote]

 

 that's mental.

 

Could easily be an article about the past 18 months here.

[Sly]

4 minutes ago, brookfox said:

We’ve definitely underperformed this season for which Rogers needs to take a slice of the blame. Can he turn it around? Let’s be honest nobody knows, but history suggests more managers fail to do so as opposed to succeeding.

 

The main thing you’d be asking as a Man Utd supporter/board member is if he’s actually up to the job. It was fairly clear on Saturday he’s behind Tuchel (and the likes of Klopp and Guardiola) in the elite tier of manager. Say what we want about their recent history but that’s where they should be aiming.

 

For us it feels like even if he stays his future is almost too much of a distraction and whether it’s this job or the next seems like his persona is almost becoming too big for the club.

Conte and Tuchel are elite coaches, determined to win etc. However they’re both self destructive if things don’t go they way they want. They’ve both fallen out with club officials / higher ups which is lead them to departing clubs. 
 

Maybe Brendan is just a bit too nice and needs someone in the Keane /Pearson model as a number two to do his dirty work. 😂 

[The Horse's Mouth]

17 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

I definitely feel the rumours of Poch are to force Brendan’s hand to make a decision.

No chance, no top club will offer him the job. He's joined us to be a stepping stone and miraculously bottling top 4 two seasons in a row isn't going to get him what he wants. 

[weller54]

1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...that sort of over- reaction can in the end alienate players!!!

  I don't belive berating Kante, of all people, is a master stroke in man management. 

  

We all know Kante is cwap and needs a kick up the backside!!

[honeybradger]

56 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Loads of people blowing hot air on here. If you genuiniely want Brendan gone then come up wth a name to take over who isn't going to be controversial. I get its a football forum and moaning comes with the territory but who spends their energy writing paragraphs of text saying the manager is done when they can't be bothered to think of someone else? Not serious people.

We just need a fresh face, best case scenario for me is Favre, same level as rodgers and arguably more proven, and he's not here currently stinking the place up, also he's free. Also i think we could easily get a 'worse' manager than Rodgers who would have us playing better football than we currently are.

Edited 22 November 2021 by honeybradger