Brendan Rodgers

[Collymore]

The more I think about it the more angry I get thinking about Brendan's comments this week. 

 

He's basically saying that all of our recent success is down to him and he's "over achieved" because of how great he is.

 

It's like a cocky sales manager who gets record sales for a new product from his sales team but when they have a sustained bad patch he turns to his owners and says "well the product isn't that good anyway, and my sales team are pretty average - our competitors have had better products and sales people all along" 

 

Now imagine the sales manager saying that publicly..

 

How would it make his sales team feel?

 

How would it make his competitors feel?

 

How would it make people in his sales team who have considered moving on  feel? 

 

How would it make the people considering join his sales team feel?

 

How would it makes the potential customers who might have bought his product feel?

 

In fact the only person that those comments benefits is the sales manager himself protecting their reputation. They destroy every other aspect and angle of the business.

[Manini]

Lost the plot hasn’t he. I’m at the stage now where the longer this goes on the more concerned about what’s actually going to happen I become. 

Edited 23 November 2021 by Manini

[coolhandfox]

17 hours ago, splinterdream said:

Perez

Castagne

Praet

Under

Fofana

Soumare

Daka

Lookman

Bertrand

Vestegaard

Bennett

 

What would you score them out of 10?

As alway this things are better judged with context, so let compare them to other manager signing in the PL, scoring each manager overall probably give a better view. 

 

I think each manager since our return to the PL has made some great signing and some horrific ones, shame we can't cherry pick the best from each 

 

Puel

Jonny Evans

James Maddison

Ricardo Pereira

Danny Ward

Rachid Ghezzal 

Filip Benković 

Çağlar Söyüncü

Fousseni Diabate

Youri Tielemans

 

Shakey 

Harry Maguire 

Vicente Iborra

Eldin Jakupović 

Kelechi Iheanacho 

 

Claudio Ranieri

Ron-Robert Zieler

Luis Hernández

Nampalys Mendy

Ahmed Musa

Bartosz Kapustka

Islam Slimani

Wilfred Ndidi

Golo Kanté 

Yohan Benalouane

Gökhan Inler Napoli

Demarai Gray 

Daniel Amartey

Daniel Iversen 

Shinji Okazaki 

 

Pearson 

Christian Fuchs 

Robert Huth 

Marc Albrighton 

Matthew Upson 

Ben Hamer 

Leonardo Ulloa Brighton & Hove Albion

Esteban Cambiasso

Danny Simpson 

Tom Lawrence

Mark Schwarzer 

Andrej Kramarić

Edited 23 November 2021 by coolhandfox

[volpeazzurro]

21 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

"We’re not defending as well as we’ve done, and with very little preparation time and working time to be able to do that, that’s where we’ve suffered a bit." 

 

Can someone clarify what this is actually trying to say? Is he now blaming the international break when in reality there's been plenty of time well before that? 

Absolutely and all the other Premiership clubs have been working under the same conditions. Poor excuses to cover his back. He and his 'specialist' defence coach have had months, not hours, to hatch a defensive plan from set peices for example. 

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, Collymore said:

Jesus! You're even using the same terms as Brendan! 

 

Is it really that ridiculous to have raised expectations after all we've been through? Because you're quoting me after my response from the previous post I assume you also see 10th place finishes are now acceptable because it's little old Leicester and no matter how much we invest in the infrastructure or the quality of our playing squad that's what we deserve. 

 

You should go and see if there's a job going to join Brendan's back room staff mate, sounds like you'd be perfect for him. 

As a one off season with the aim to be back fighting for European qualification, then sure, 10th is acceptable.

(Maybe a 10th place finish is the outlier?)

We get two Euro qualification spots and people act like its the norm. Of course everyone wants it to be, thats not in debate, but we keep going. The stadium and new training ground will help, but it will take time to reap those rewards.

 

All this petty, 'you  should join his staff' is a bit pathetic. Isn`t this a place for discussion not cheerleading either side of this particular debate?

 

[volpeazzurro]

7 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

As alway this things are better judge with context, so let compare them to other manager signing in the PL, scoring each manager overall probably give a better view. 

 

I think each manager since our return to the PL has made some great signing and some horrific ones, shame we can't cherry pick the best form each 

 

Puel

Jonny Evans

James Maddison

Ricardo Pereira

Danny Ward

Rachid Ghezzal 

Filip Benković 

Çağlar Söyüncü

Fousseni Diabate

 

Shakey 

Harry Maguire 

Vicente Iborra

Eldin Jakupović 

Kelechi Iheanacho 

 

Claudio Ranieri

Ron-Robert Zieler

Luis Hernández

Nampalys Mendy

Ahmed Musa

Bartosz Kapustka

Islam Slimani

Wilfred Ndidi

Golo Kanté 

Yohan Benalouane

Gökhan Inler Napoli

Demarai Gray 

Daniel Amartey

Daniel Iversen 

Shinji Okazaki 

 

Pearson 

Christian Fuchs 

Robert Huth 

Marc Albrighton 

Matthew Upson 

Ben Hamer 

Leonardo Ulloa Brighton & Hove Albion

Esteban Cambiasso

Danny Simpson 

Tom Lawrence

Mark Schwarzer 

Andrej Kramarić

Whilst there is of course some truth there, we also have to acknowledge that in the case of Ranieri, he was adamant whilst he was here and since his departure, that he was merely the coach and had no say in any of the transfers during his tenure and that he always merely worked with what he was given. As he said this when things were going very well as well as when they turned sour, unless there's evidence rather than rumour or opinion to disprove that, I think there's a reasonable chance it's true.

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, volpeazzurro said:

Whilst there is of course some truth there, we also have to acknowledge that in the case of Ranieri, he was adamant whilst he was here and since his departure, that he was merely the coach and had no say in any of the transfers during his tenure and that he always merely worked with what he was given. As he said this when things were going very well as well as when they turned sour, unless there's evidence rather than rumour or opinion to disprove that, I think there's a reasonable chance it's true.

Maybe.

 

But I'd be very surprised if a title winning manager has that little power.  Pretty sure I read that Mendy and Inler were definitely his signings. 

[AKCJ]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

As alway this things are better judge with context, so let compare them to other manager signing in the PL, scoring each manager overall probably give a better view. 

 

I think each manager since our return to the PL has made some great signing and some horrific ones, shame we can't cherry pick the best from each 

 

Puel

Jonny Evans

James Maddison

Ricardo Pereira

Danny Ward

Rachid Ghezzal 

Filip Benković 

Çağlar Söyüncü

Fousseni Diabate

Youri Tielemans

 

Shakey 

Harry Maguire 

Vicente Iborra

Eldin Jakupović 

Kelechi Iheanacho 

 

Claudio Ranieri

Ron-Robert Zieler

Luis Hernández

Nampalys Mendy

Ahmed Musa

Bartosz Kapustka

Islam Slimani

Wilfred Ndidi

Golo Kanté 

Yohan Benalouane

Gökhan Inler Napoli

Demarai Gray 

Daniel Amartey

Daniel Iversen 

Shinji Okazaki 

 

Pearson 

Christian Fuchs 

Robert Huth 

Marc Albrighton 

Matthew Upson 

Ben Hamer 

Leonardo Ulloa Brighton & Hove Albion

Esteban Cambiasso

Danny Simpson 

Tom Lawrence

Mark Schwarzer 

Andrej Kramarić

Nige signed Kante didn't he? 

 

Edit; No he didn't. Ignore me

Edited 23 November 2021 by AKCJ

[coolhandfox]

Just now, AKCJ said:

Nige signed Kante didn't he?

Possible, But I've also read CR wanted Mendy over Kante so I assume that was done under CR watch. 

 

I know Fuchs said he was signed by NP, other one is Shinji not sure if he is a NP or CR.

 

So all a bit of best guess.

[Rain King]

1 minute ago, coolhandfox said:

Possible, But I've also read CR wanted Mendy over Kante so I assume that was done under CR watch. 

 

I know Fuchs said he was signed by NP, other one is Shinji not sure if he is a NP or CR.

 

So all a bit of best guess.

Shinji was signed by Pearson.

 

That was the first sign something was going on with regards to Pearson leaving as Steve Walsh did the unveiling photos and interviews about his signing.

[coolhandfox]

3 minutes ago, Rain King said:

Shinji was signed by Pearson.

 

That was the first sign something was going on with regards to Pearson leaving as Steve Walsh did the unveiling photos and interviews about his signing.

What a crazy summer.

 

One of the few times I've been shocked when a LCFC manager has been sacked, when the news broke.

Edited 23 November 2021 by coolhandfox

[Alf Bentley]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

As alway this things are better judge with context, so let compare them to other manager signing in the PL, scoring each manager overall probably give a better view. 

 

I think each manager since our return to the PL has made some great signing and some horrific ones, shame we can't cherry pick the best from each 

 

Puel

Jonny Evans

James Maddison

Ricardo Pereira

Danny Ward

Rachid Ghezzal 

Filip Benković 

Çağlar Söyüncü

Fousseni Diabate

Youri Tielemans

 

Shakey 

Harry Maguire 

Vicente Iborra

Eldin Jakupović 

Kelechi Iheanacho 

 

Claudio Ranieri

Ron-Robert Zieler

Luis Hernández

Nampalys Mendy

Ahmed Musa

Bartosz Kapustka

Islam Slimani

Wilfred Ndidi

Golo Kanté 

Yohan Benalouane

Gökhan Inler Napoli

Demarai Gray 

Daniel Amartey

Daniel Iversen 

Shinji Okazaki 

 

Pearson 

Christian Fuchs 

Robert Huth 

Marc Albrighton 

Matthew Upson 

Ben Hamer 

Leonardo Ulloa Brighton & Hove Albion

Esteban Cambiasso

Danny Simpson 

Tom Lawrence

Mark Schwarzer 

Andrej Kramarić

 

I agree with your central point that almost every manager makes some good and some bad signings. Of course, making the right signings is also only one aspect of successful management.

 

Shinji was signed under Pearson (4 days before he was sacked according to Wikipedia). Also, although Kante was signed under Ranieri, it seems well-established that he was essentially a Steve Walsh signing - although Claudio had the wisdom and humility to trust Walsh's judgment. My recollection is that we'd been lining him up for some time under the Pearson/Walsh regime, even if the signing was finally made by Claudio. I'm guessing that the £24m buy-out clause was the key element in him finally coming here, rather than the change of manager.

 

After those amendments, Puel's transfer record arguably looks the best, closely followed by Pearson's - and Ranieri's is possibly the worst......further confirmation that there's a lot more to successful management than buying the right players. I'm a massive Pearson fan and my best guess (we'll never know) is that we'd have made Europe under him in 15-16, but it was Claudio's adjustments to formation and tactics, on top of NP's foundations of squad and morale, that brought the title

 

[ealingfox]

8 hours ago, jim5000 said:

I think Rodgers is suffering from unrealistic expectations. We're 12th in the league currently, we won the FA Cup last season, 5 seasons ago we won the Premier League, and the last two seasons we overperformed and finished 5th, narrowly losing out on Champions League football on the last day. These miracles are just that, miracles. We're Leicester City, and we've been riding the crest of a wave for the past 5-6 years and it's been great, but we should not get ahead of ourselves as fans and think that we are somehow entitled to be consistently n the top 5 teams in the country, it is just totally unrealistic. Liverpool, Manchester City, Chelseas, Manchester Utd, Arsenal, Tottenham, Everton all have far more resources available to them, and then there is a graded batch of 10 teams from West Ham to Brentford who are all competative in this league and within reason, have similar finanical constraints to us. We do not have a god given right to be 5th in the country,

 

Looking back at our history we should be grateful for any top 10 finish, and absolutely delighted with our recent success. We should not be hounding out a manager who has delivered 2 of our 3 highest ever finishes in the league because of a rough patch that has been compounded by continual injuries to key players. All teams have injuries, but ours have been shocking over the past 12 months and are a result of a squad being pushed as far as it can go. We are playing elite level clubs and competing in Europe, when realisitically we don't have the squad depth to push that far. Our defense has gone to crap, but that is expected when we haven't been able to field a settled first choice back line for the entire season to date.

 

Rodgers should stay, and hopefully this season is an eye opener to the board that he can achieve what they want, but they have to back him with the squad that is required to compete on all of the fronts that they want. Last season was league, FA cup, League cup to quarters, and Europa, and we have Daniel Amarety as our first choice centre back.

 

It's not Rodgers that is failing this season, it's the squad that are exhausted and injured due being pushed so hard for two seasons running (and an European Championship for key players like Tielemans), and the recruitment team that supplied Vestergaard, Betrand, and Soumare in an attempt to push on from 5th.....

 

Just utter tosh. No idea where you get off doing the club down like that. We're on a par with Brentford? Please.

 

Finishing 5th with a 7th-9th resourced squad is not a miracle. It's outperforming the benchmark for our numbers, which is great, but to put it on a par with winning the title is absurd.

 

Not one person thinks we are entitled to finish consistently in the top 5. It's such a dishonest point that keeps on getting reeled out, it's based on nothing. There is a LOT of daylight between expecting to be one of the best 5 teams in the country and wanting better than what we are seeing right now. You can even think this squad is good enough to get top 4 based on the fact that they should have done two years running - that isn't the same as thinking we are entitled to do so.

 

If football today was based on history Pele would still be playing upfront for Brazil. Judging us now against the standards set by where the club was at arbitrary points in history is nonsensical. We have the resources and the position that top-half finishes are a reasonable expectation. That doesn't mean we're entitled to it, but it does mean you can reasonably expect it. In turn, that doesn't mean someone that does isn't happy with the club's recent success, we all are. Nor does it mean that finishing 12th is suddenly an outrage and a sackable offence, but it is underperforming and you have to accept that.

 

Of course Rodgers is failing this season, these excuses are ridiculous. He is the best-paid manager in our history (by a long way), with the most expensive, well-equipped squad in our history, and the most extensive resources in our history. Why should he not be judged to higher standards than any other manager in our history? We look awful at the moment, it's not good enough by any measure. I don't agree that he should be sacked now, I voted No in the poll over the weekend, but if this carries on for much longer without any upturn he can't have any complaints about being shown the door. And that's just because of stuff on the pitch. Off it he's started showing the toxicity that made me want him out at the end of 19/20 again, and whilst he's got more credit to burn through now he needs to get his act together.

[Muzzy_Larsson]

1 hour ago, Collymore said:

The more I think about it the more angry I get thinking about Brendan's comments this week. 

 

He's basically saying that all of our recent success is down to him and he's "over achieved" because of how great he is.

 

It's like a cocky sales manager who gets record sales for a new product from his sales team but when they have a sustained bad patch he turns to his owners and says "well the product isn't that good anyway, and my sales team are pretty average - our competitors have had better products and sales people all along" 

 

Now imagine the sales manager saying that publicly..

 

How would it make his sales team feel?

 

How would it make his competitors feel?

 

How would it make people in his sales team who have considered moving on  feel? 

 

How would it make the people considering join his sales team feel?

 

How would it makes the potential customers who might have bought his product feel?

 

In fact the only person that those comments benefits is the sales manager himself protecting their reputation. They destroy every other aspect and angle of the business.

He trotted out similar to this at Celtic when we'd get horsed in Europe. Going on about how can people expect us to compete given the disparity in budgets.

 

Maybe not fckin passing the ball out from the back between the goalkeeper and centre backs against Neymar, Cavani and Mbappe would help us compete.

[5waller5]

8 hours ago, jim5000 said:

I think Rodgers is suffering from unrealistic expectations. We're 12th in the league currently, we won the FA Cup last season, 5 seasons ago we won the Premier League, and the last two seasons we overperformed and finished 5th, narrowly losing out on Champions League football on the last day. These miracles are just that, miracles. We're Leicester City, and we've been riding the crest of a wave for the past 5-6 years and it's been great, but we should not get ahead of ourselves as fans and think that we are somehow entitled to be consistently n the top 5 teams in the country, it is just totally unrealistic. Liverpool, Manchester City, Chelseas, Manchester Utd, Arsenal, Tottenham, Everton all have far more resources available to them, and then there is a graded batch of 10 teams from West Ham to Brentford who are all competative in this league and within reason, have similar finanical constraints to us. We do not have a god given right to be 5th in the country,

 

Looking back at our history we should be grateful for any top 10 finish, and absolutely delighted with our recent success. We should not be hounding out a manager who has delivered 2 of our 3 highest ever finishes in the league because of a rough patch that has been compounded by continual injuries to key players. All teams have injuries, but ours have been shocking over the past 12 months and are a result of a squad being pushed as far as it can go. We are playing elite level clubs and competing in Europe, when realisitically we don't have the squad depth to push that far. Our defense has gone to crap, but that is expected when we haven't been able to field a settled first choice back line for the entire season to date.

 

Rodgers should stay, and hopefully this season is an eye opener to the board that he can achieve what they want, but they have to back him with the squad that is required to compete on all of the fronts that they want. Last season was league, FA cup, League cup to quarters, and Europa, and we have Daniel Amarety as our first choice centre back.

 

It's not Rodgers that is failing this season, it's the squad that are exhausted and injured due being pushed so hard for two seasons running (and an European Championship for key players like Tielemans), and the recruitment team that supplied Vestergaard, Betrand, and Soumare in an attempt to push on from 5th.....

Hi Brendan, the mystery of what you’re writing in your notebook is finally solved!

[An Sionnach]

A few on here should look back at what they said after we won the cup and the charity shield. On and on went the talk of potential and how we were going to challenge this season and our free flowing stylish football.  The only thing that matters in football and that has always been the case is results. If we were scrambling victories in any old crude fashion few would be complaining. We did this on a lot of occasions when we won the league. Style can take a hike as far as I am concerned ,we need to start shithousing victories , starting with Watford.

[5waller5]

13 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

A few on here should look back at what they said after we won the cup and the charity shield. On and on went the talk of potential and how we were going to challenge this season and our free flowing stylish football.  The only thing that matters in football and that has always been the case is results. If we were scrambling victories in any old crude fashion few would be complaining. We did this on a lot of occasions when we won the league. Style can take a hike as far as I am concerned ,we need to start shithousing victories , starting with Watford.

Style and entertainment isn’t too important if you’re winning, I agree.

 

However, we already seem to set up to shithouse a win, week in week out, we surrender any attacking intent and set out to defend the game a sneak a goal.

 

it seems to me that the easy way for us to improve is to have some attacking intentions and take the pressure off our defenders by putting pressure on theirs! 

[justfoxes]

2 hours ago, Manini said:

Lost the plot hasn’t he. I’m at the stage now where the longer this goes on the more concerned about what’s actually going to happen I become. 

I’m not surprised really his head has been turned by a bigger club his thoughts seem to be elsewhere, of course he’s coming out saying he’s fully committed to Leicester but Manure come calling his thoughts are with them maybe a reason why his decisions are not the best at the moment and that’s rubbed off on the team which has unfortunately brushed off on the playing squad causing them to lose confidence ?

 

The gutter press have been naming Brendan for every job coming up in the last few months which can’t help for morale within the squad which doesn’t help our performances, but I still think Brendan will be looked over for the Manure job for Pochettino he’ll then have to dig in get the team playing back to how we know we can play !

 

The sooner the manure job is sorted the better we can get on and get our season back on track we’re not far behind the top Five places 5 points behind 5th and 8 behind 4th so we can definitely catch up if results over coming weeks go our way !

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

"We’re not defending as well as we’ve done, and with very little preparation time and working time to be able to do that, that’s where we’ve suffered a bit." 

 

Can someone clarify what this is actually trying to say? Is he now blaming the international break when in reality there's been plenty of time well before that? 

He's had 3 pre-seasons to work on this and we've got worse. We've conceded the most set pieces since the start of last season. After the Arsenal game he claimed it wasn't an ongoing problem or a major concern. Now he's claiming it is but they've not had time to work on it.

 

I wish he'd shut up, everything he says at the minute is horrendous. 

[jim5000]

38 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

Just utter tosh. No idea where you get off doing the club down like that. We're on a par with Brentford? Please.

 

Finishing 5th with a 7th-9th resourced squad is not a miracle. It's outperforming the benchmark for our numbers, which is great, but to put it on a par with winning the title is absurd.

 

Not one person thinks we are entitled to finish consistently in the top 5. It's such a dishonest point that keeps on getting reeled out, it's based on nothing. There is a LOT of daylight between expecting to be one of the best 5 teams in the country and wanting better than what we are seeing right now. You can even think this squad is good enough to get top 4 based on the fact that they should have done two years running - that isn't the same as thinking we are entitled to do so.

 

If football today was based on history Pele would still be playing upfront for Brazil. Judging us now against the standards set by where the club was at arbitrary points in history is nonsensical. We have the resources and the position that top-half finishes are a reasonable expectation. That doesn't mean we're entitled to it, but it does mean you can reasonably expect it. In turn, that doesn't mean someone that does isn't happy with the club's recent success, we all are. Nor does it mean that finishing 12th is suddenly an outrage and a sackable offence, but it is underperforming and you have to accept that.

 

Of course Rodgers is failing this season, these excuses are ridiculous. He is the best-paid manager in our history (by a long way), with the most expensive, well-equipped squad in our history, and the most extensive resources in our history. Why should he not be judged to higher standards than any other manager in our history? We look awful at the moment, it's not good enough by any measure. I don't agree that he should be sacked now, I voted No in the poll over the weekend, but if this carries on for much longer without any upturn he can't have any complaints about being shown the door. And that's just because of stuff on the pitch. Off it he's started showing the toxicity that made me want him out at the end of 19/20 again, and whilst he's got more credit to burn through now he needs to get his act together.

Its not tosh, there are at least 6 clubs with more resources than us, and then at least another 5 with similar to us. That puts us in the top 12 and a reasonable expectation to finish between 6th and 10th. However it’s the most competitive league in the world and few clubs will over perform (West Ham this season) and a few will under perform. We are currently under performing having over performed for 2 seasons, but we are still roughly where we could expect, not necessarily want, to be given the quality of the league. We don’t have the squad depth to break and remain in the top 6 indefinitely.

 

Look at clubs like Spurs and Arsenal, even Man Utd. They have been shambolic over the past few years and we have finished above them, but they have far more money to throw at the problem than we do. We can’t go out and appoint someone alike Conte or drop 40m on a backup for Tielemans.

[KFS]

Hahaha the vid I posted in the corners thread shows us fvcking up set pieces for about 6 weeks now. No time to work on them? Is he joking? 

[Deeg67]

2 hours ago, Collymore said:

The more I think about it the more angry I get thinking about Brendan's comments this week. 

 

He's basically saying that all of our recent success is down to him and he's "over achieved" because of how great he is.

 

It's like a cocky sales manager who gets record sales for a new product from his sales team but when they have a sustained bad patch he turns to his owners and says "well the product isn't that good anyway, and my sales team are pretty average - our competitors have had better products and sales people all along" 

 

Now imagine the sales manager saying that publicly..

 

How would it make his sales team feel?

 

How would it make his competitors feel?

 

How would it make people in his sales team who have considered moving on  feel? 

 

How would it make the people considering join his sales team feel?

 

How would it makes the potential customers who might have bought his product feel?

 

In fact the only person that those comments benefits is the sales manager himself protecting their reputation. They destroy every other aspect and angle of the business.

That's BR to a T.  Relentless self-promotion and absolute refusal to show any acknowledgement that he's fallible.  It's why he's burned his bridges everywhere he's gone and probably will everywhere he goes in the future. 

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, jim5000 said:

Its not tosh, there are at least 6 clubs with more resources than us, and then at least another 5 with similar to us. That puts us in the top 12 and a reasonable expectation to finish between 6th and 10th. However it’s the most competitive league in the world and few clubs will over perform (West Ham this season) and a few will under perform. We are currently under performing having over performed for 2 seasons, but we are still roughly where we could expect, not necessarily want, to be given the quality of the league. We don’t have the squad depth to break and remain in the top 6 indefinitely.

 

Look at clubs like Spurs and Arsenal, even Man Utd. They have been shambolic over the past few years and we have finished above them, but they have far more money to throw at the problem than we do. We can’t go out and appoint someone alike Conte or drop 40m on a backup for Tielemans.

The beauty about why we've been able to do what we've done is because we have created a model that has built us a very very good squad that can compete with the top 6 and especially when one or two of them turn shit. We've worked bloody hard at doing so and have maintained the momentum to keep pushing and try to and shift the mindset from one us being the underdog to an elite club mentality.

 

Rodgers has talked at length about his desire for us to do that and he even encourages it throughout the club from the tea lady to the communications manager, everyone needs to be on board that this club isn't here to make up the numbers or that's its just happy to be here. It's It's insult to down play what we have been better than almost every club in this country at.

 

Now you are absolutely right that on a level playing field if we didn't have the position or the squad, manager, facilities, ideas and working practices that we have that we wouldn't be automatically better than those clubs that appear similar size to us but this isn't a level playing field and what's happened for us to regress is serious under performance for quite a long time now. Does that mean we shouldn't be somewhat upset by this capitulation when we know we are capable of so much better? A defeatist mindset like that is absolutely a 1 way ticket for us back to mediocrity and to get back in our lane. Well hopefully our owners won't sit back and stand for that, if they thought like that we'd never have done what we've done in the last 5-6 years.

 

We should demand better as fans and mirror the ask of our owners and manager who talks ambition and elite mentality until he's under pressure and then looks to squirm his way out of it ASAP, the little herbert.

[Eskay]

We need to be realistic.

 

Can we get a better manager than BR? I'm not sure we can.

 

Is the team good enough to challenge the top 6 regularly? I'm not sure it is.

 

Does BR telling players we over achieved in the last 2 seasons going to be a motivator? I'm certain it is not.

 

We have too many middle of the road players without standout specialist qualities. Do you think when Chelsea saw that lineup they were worried by Albrighton, Lookman, Soumare, Castagne, Amartey? 

The issue right now is people who were steady are now under performing too. Ndidi has looked poor all season. Castagne is not the same player we signed. Barnes has lost that element of directness and Nacho is back to just being average.

 

I can't remember the last player to really go at the opposition and excite me. I watched 2 games this weekend (apart from ours) - Crystal Palace v Burnley and Watford v Man United. All of the teams just seemed quicker than us. Even Watford looked more dynamic than us....it's going to be a tough one on the weekend.

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2 minutes ago, Eskay said:

We need to be realistic.

 

Can we get a better manager than BR? I'm not sure we can.

 

Is the team good enough to challenge the top 6 regularly? I'm not sure it is.

 

Does BR telling players we over achieved in the last 2 seasons going to be a motivator? I'm certain it is not.

 

We have too many middle of the road players without standout specialist qualities. Do you think when Chelsea saw that lineup they were worried by Albrighton, Lookman, Soumare, Castagne, Amartey? 

The issue right now is people who were steady are now under performing too. Ndidi has looked poor all season. Castagne is not the same player we signed. Barnes has lost that element of directness and Nacho is back to just being average.

 

I can't remember the last player to really go at the opposition and excite me. I watched 2 games this weekend (apart from ours) - Crystal Palace v Burnley and Watford v Man United. All of the teams just seemed quicker than us. Even Watford looked more dynamic than us....it's going to be a tough one on the weekend.

Agree with most but... Do you think Chelsea were cacking themselves when they saw Brentford's line up? No. But Brentford battered them in the last 20 minutes and only Mendy's brilliance and some luck saved them from the draw or defeat.