Brendan Rodgers

[Dames]

So the rot has well and truly set in. Once the manager and players start talking about overachieving the standards are going to slip because they’ll just think ‘its alright because this is our real level’. 
 

What the players needs to realise whats happening is that Brendan is now in damage limitation mode for Brand Brendan. I honestly believe he thought he was going to Utd hence all the talk/gossip and his weird behaviour lately and now thats gone cold he’s stuck and sulking ‘well i overachieved anyway, they should be grateful for me’ etc.

[deep blue]

1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Where did he says 'it's alright' ?

He said "We're not far from getting back to where we are".  That's surely as good as saying "it's alright".

[DoveValleyFox]

2 hours ago, The_77 said:

 

Anyone else noticed that it is Brendan Rodgers in the next technical area watching this play out .

 

 

[alanf0x]

38 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

the players and the manager when things were going well were talking about fighting the big boys, now we're struggling suddenly we over achieved, they can't have it both ways

That makes sense. Although everyone knows we overachieved over the past few seasons with the big boys underachieving. 

[oadby.fox]

11 minutes ago, Dames said:

So the rot has well and truly set in. Once the manager and players start talking about overachieving the standards are going to slip because they’ll just think ‘its alright because this is our real level’. 
 

What the players needs to realise whats happening is that Brendan is now in damage limitation mode for Brand Brendan. I honestly believe he thought he was going to Utd hence all the talk/gossip and his weird behaviour lately and now thats gone cold he’s stuck and sulking ‘well i overachieved anyway, they should be grateful for me’ etc.

Yes exactly this and more.

 

I think that fans are right to feel aggrieved regarding the recent language and tone set both by the performances and expressed more literally during interviews. 

 

Finishing in a Europa spot is by no means a bad finish for our club, but in many ways you could actually argue that we ultimately underachieved (position wise) the last two seasons considering how good we were at times, the massive points advantage we had and just how long we spent in the top four across the two seasons. Prior to this season, we were one of the most competitive clubs in the league since Brendan arrived. Add to the fact that both Spurs and Arsenal have been bang average to piss poor over the last few years and that the rest of the big clubs have had periods where they've seriously struggled and it should not come as a surprise, or considered to be a crazy over achievement, that we have ended up challenging and finishing in a Europa league place. I mean, outside of Chelsea, Man City, Man U and Liverpool, what other teams had realistically better squads or a much better first eleven than we did? At certain stages we arguably had the best collection of fullbacks in the entire league, a very, very good midfield pairing/trio, some talented centre halves and one of the most prolific strikers that the league has ever seen. It shouldn't be seen as an insane overachievement to have finished in a Europa spot (especially considering how poor some of the other sides were back then).

 

It's a worrying tone as it appears to be coming from the top down (no pun and not intending to refer to Top). What must it be doing for the players psychologically to be told that "We've had a good run and you can relax now and appreciate that, it's okay if we now nosedive as we never deserved to finish as high as fifth anyway"? It sends the wrong message to the players and to the fans. Whatever happened to the "Foxes Never Quit" and "Fearless" attitude? I recognise that we do not have the resources that the other clubs do, but the idea that we should just slowly tread back to mid-table obscurity, or worse, to being a yo-yo club fails to seriously consider just how far we have come in terms of recruitment, prestige and infrastructure development. Most fans know that a lot more can be gotten out of this side and that doesn't mean that we have to turn everyone over 5-0 every game for eternity, there is a lot of middle ground between that and the dredge that is currently being served up at the KP week in, week out. 

[filbertway]

The club is overachieving in the sense that our playing staff represents better value for money than most other clubs, which will happen when you shift to signing younger talented players who have yet to peak. That started under Pearson and was rescued under Puel's tenure. 

 

People are taking exception to the fact that the players and manager are now saying that they're mid table standard. (We finished 7 pts above 10th last season and 8pts above 10th the season before) So if we're over achieving then it's fair to conclude that they see themselves ad mid table.

 

It's not excatly promoting a progressive mindset to the current playing staff and potential signings.

[BenTheFox]

1 minute ago, alanf0x said:

That makes sense. Although everyone knows we overachieved over the past few seasons with the big boys underachieving. 

Whether we overachieved or to what extent we overachieved depends on how far back you want to look at it. Yes, Tottenham and Arsenal have bigger budgets but in terms of quality their squads haven't really reflected that. Forget for a moment that we are called Leicester City and look solely at our playing staff compared to the rest of the league and there's only a few clubs that have had conclusively better playing personnel. You could make a respectable case that the overachievement has come from the recruitment team and the club's hierarchy more so than Rodgers. Of course the manager has to deliver, and for the most part he has. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

44 minutes ago, deep blue said:

He said "We're not far from getting back to where we are".  That's surely as good as saying "it's alright".

If we'd drawn against Brighton like we should have done had it not been for the stupid ref and beaten Leeds but for a marginal var call we'd be 8th, the performances haven't been good enough but the reality is were not that far off and we've been playing terribly.

 

If we turn it round it's likely we'd be right back in it. I know it's not fashionable to be realistic but the way people go on you'd think we were currently Norwich.

Edited 24 November 2021 by Chocolate Teapot

[Jobyfox]

4 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

If we'd drawn against Brighton like we should have done had it not been for the stupid ref and beaten Leeds but for a marginal var call we'd be 8th, the performances haven't been good enough but the reality is were not that far off and we've been playing terribly.

 

If we turn it round it's likely we'd be right back in it. I know it's not fashionable to be realistic but the way people go on you'd think we were currently Norwich.

This is Foxestalk

 

No room for your: ‘Mr. Sunny Pants’ routine here! 

[dannythefox]

Hasn’t it been said he meant by overachieving was the amount of money we spend compared to others which he would be right. That word should be banned for our club anyway I hate it, as for Perez he’s very lucky to be here because he’s shite like Xmas everyday for that dick.

[BenTheFox]

9 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

If we'd drawn against Brighton like we should have done had it not been for the stupid ref and beaten Leeds but for a marginal var call we'd be 8th, the performances haven't been good enough but the reality is were not that far off and we've been playing terribly.

 

If we turn it round it's likely we'd be right back in it. I know it's not fashionable to be realistic but the way people go on you'd think we were currently Norwich.

For the most part Leeds were better than us and they literally missed an open goal from two yards out. 

You go on the say "it's not fashionable to be realistic", but the reality is that we can just as easily find ourselves in a relegation battle in the next few weeks. If we lose on Sunday there's a chance that we could be just three points above the bottom three, such is the nature the nature of the league this season. Sunday's game is huge. If we win it will relieve quite a lot of pressure. 

[Vestan Pance]

As long as we don't end up like the last two 'over-achievers' that won the FA Cup, they currently reside in League One. 

[An Sionnach]

10 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

For the most part Leeds were better than us and they literally missed an open goal from two yards out. 

You go on the say "it's not fashionable to be realistic", but the reality is that we can just as easily find ourselves in a relegation battle in the next few weeks. If we lose on Sunday there's a chance that we could be just three points above the bottom three, such is the nature the nature of the league this season. Sunday's game is huge. If we win it will relieve quite a lot of pressure. 

We don't want to get overdramatic at this time of the season. 26 games to go , 11 wins and a couple of draws and we are on a comfortable 50 points. That will be an average season but we don't carry the same expectations as the" big six " so will be seen as disappointing but not as a disaster. We are losing Tielemans and Vardy needs to step back somewhat if only to extend his career.. Justin and Fofana should be nearly back to 100% . If we finish the season with a couple of good performances we should be able to push on from that.

[gazzaa2]

Rodgers needs to get his head back in the game if he wants one of these so called big jobs.

 

United seem to be edging towards Pochettino. If Rodgers wants to be in the frame when the City job comes up he needs more good seasons here.

 

A sacking here this season and where does he go from there? His next job is more likely to be a Leeds or an Everton.

 

Edited 24 November 2021 by gazzaa2

[CosbehFox]

42 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

If we'd drawn against Brighton like we should have done had it not been for the stupid ref and beaten Leeds but for a marginal var call we'd be 8th, the performances haven't been good enough but the reality is were not that far off and we've been playing terribly.

 

If we turn it round it's likely we'd be right back in it. I know it's not fashionable to be realistic but the way people go on you'd think we were currently Norwich.

The Burnley game was tough on us. Going forward we were fine. Just well set pieces and Vestergaard 

[The_77]

1 hour ago, DoveValleyFox said:

Anyone else noticed that it is Brendan Rodgers in the next technical area watching this play out .

 

 

I never noticed that! Completely forgot that was the Liverpool game. Can’t say Brendan didn’t know what he was getting into with our fans.  

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, alanf0x said:

That makes sense. Although everyone knows we overachieved over the past few seasons with the big boys underachieving. 

....if anything I would say their levels dropped and we played to our potential!!!

 

[Chrysalis]

4 hours ago, The_77 said:

 

He was getting some serious abuse, that fan needs to learn you reap what you show to be fair.  Pearson shouldnt have said what he said but also the fan should learn how to get a point across without swearing and name calling.

[The_77]

4 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

He was getting some serious abuse, that fan needs to learn you reap what you show to be fair.  Pearson shouldnt have said what he said but also the fan should learn how to get a point across without swearing and name calling.

I have a feeling that the guy abusing Pearson and the word “learn” aren’t very well acquainted. 

[Babylon]

What a ridiculous narrative from Rodgers and now the players. To be sowing the seeds that we aren’t that good anyway is sickening. 
 

Yes, as a club we are overachieving in terms of what you’d expect from someone with our budget. But that doesn’t mean we weren’t actually good enough to be there, we fully deserved 5th both seasons and really should have finished higher at least once. 
 

The squad hasn’t got substantially weaker and the opposition hasn’t got substantially stronger to suggest we shouldn’t be challenging those positions again and that we shouldn’t be expecting a bit better than what we are being served.

 

This is the managers negative defeatist attitude at work again, something I said long ago was the start of our downfall the first top 4 challenge season. 
 

Every week now we have another excuse about our failures and little self reflection on his part.

[whoareyaaa]

26 minutes ago, Babylon said:

What a ridiculous narrative from Rodgers and now the players. To be sowing the seeds that we aren’t that good anyway is sickening. 
 

Yes, as a club we are overachieving in terms of what you’d expect from someone with our budget. But that doesn’t mean we weren’t actually good enough to be there, we fully deserved 5th both seasons and really should have finished higher at least once. 
 

The squad hasn’t got substantially weaker and the opposition hasn’t got substantially stronger to suggest we shouldn’t be challenging those positions again and that we shouldn’t be expecting a bit better than what we are being served.

 

This is the managers negative defeatist attitude at work again, something I said long ago was the start of our downfall the first top 4 challenge season. 
 

Every week now we have another excuse about our failures and little self reflection on his part.

Exactly imagine if Chelsea thought that 20 years ago .. you can't start coming out with comments that undervalue the club.

 

Why shouldn't we be able to become a top team, shit attitude to have.

[Samilktray]

1 hour ago, gazzaa2 said:

Rodgers needs to get his head back in the game if he wants one of these so called big jobs.

 

United seem to be edging towards Pochettino. If Rodgers wants to be in the frame when the City job comes up he needs more good seasons here.

 

A sacking here this season and where does he go from there? His next job is more likely to be a Leeds or an Everton.

 

Can anyone really imagine Man City going from Pep to Rodgers  

[Sloth]

32 minutes ago, Babylon said:

What a ridiculous narrative from Rodgers and now the players. To be sowing the seeds that we aren’t that good anyway is sickening. 
 

Yes, as a club we are overachieving in terms of what you’d expect from someone with our budget. But that doesn’t mean we weren’t actually good enough to be there, we fully deserved 5th both seasons and really should have finished higher at least once. 
 

The squad hasn’t got substantially weaker and the opposition hasn’t got substantially stronger to suggest we shouldn’t be challenging those positions again and that we shouldn’t be expecting a bit better than what we are being served.

 

This is the managers negative defeatist attitude at work again, something I said long ago was the start of our downfall the first top 4 challenge season. 
 

Every week now we have another excuse about our failures and little self reflection on his part.

Agree with every word. If you have that attitude, as a player or a manager, might as well hang up your cleats now and start stocking at a local grocery store. We should be performing better than we currently are for sure. Its up to Rogers and the players to get their heads out of their asses, not make excuses or rationalizations.

[The Year Of The Fox]

You know that if we miraculously finished top of that EL group, then he’ll be using that to bash the fans with too.

 

When the reality is it’ll merely be painting over the cracks 

[Jattdogg]

For me (In sport and perhaps elsewhere), no matter what you have to think that you are the team to beat. You have to believe  that you are the fukin boss of bosses. Anything else is weak.

 

You are humbled at the end of the season no doubt but you try again like the other 18 clubs who didnt win the league.

 

Now that my keyboard warrior words of encouragement have been made known I will  get back to work and tell my boss to do one. Lol

 

 

....Might be back in 20 minutes..