Ric Flair Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 2 hours ago, SemperEadem said: 5th probably is about our ceiling though. Doesn't really matter whether it is or isn't. It's psychology and there will be no coincidence what this lot achieved in the last few years where Rodgers persona and demeanour was completely different to what it is now where he's very eager to point of caveats, obstacles and making sure he's pointed out why it's very difficult to have ambition to challenge the top 6. When he came here he was quite resolute in his goals of bringing European football, challenging for cups etc and he delivered. The change mirrors the stagnation and possible battle scars of the feeling of falling at the final hurdle twice and I think he now believes its not possible, rather than harnessing that to keep believing and pushing his squad to achieve top 4. He's done so well here but I want a Brendan Rodgers who genuinely believes he can get us top 4 here, as that's a very good manager and coach. I don't want this Brendan Rodgers as its the beginning of the end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StanSP Posted 23 January 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 23 January 2022 2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: but I want a Brendan Rodgers who genuinely believes he can get us top 4 here, “My job is to elevate and that’s what we have always done: win things, play good football and bring players through. That’s the vision, to disrupt, keep fighting whilst keeping the club sustainable” You're choosing to believe one part of what he says. Not anything else. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 Maybe I don't give Rodgers the respect that he deserves. I find it incredibly frustrating how we've blown such commanding positions during his time here, but there is no question that overall he has been a very good manager for us. I have accepted that the days of us challenging the top four are probably gone. Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea are currently too good, Man United will eventually get their act together and Spurs and Arsenal are doing better than previously. Not to mention where Newcastle could be once they are able to exercise their financial power. Whatever happens, the night we won the FA Cup will remain once of the best nights of my life. In a few years time we may look back at some of comments while he was our manager and cringe because we looked like a bunch of spoilt brats. I acknowledge how fickle I am because I will be on here absolutely fuming if we lose later today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 23 January 2022 Author Share Posted 23 January 2022 10 hours ago, UniFox21 said: Trying to reset expectations it seems Article is nothing like the headline. Typical Daily Mail shit. Isn't the reporter a Leicester fan too!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 45 minutes ago, Babylon said: Read the full article you utter melons. Below are his full quotes in its full context. If you read through all the waffle about life and adversity and learning etc he isn't saying much. He could have bigged up the club and said something like "yes we've been very unfortunate with injuries and covid but we will bounce back and challenge for top 6 again. Maybe not this season but we will definitely regroup as a club and go again. Its been a tough 2021 for us but we're a big club, and like other big clubs, we will bounce back." ‘We’re not too far from where our budget is,’ said Rodgers. ‘I’ve a dose of realism from when I came in here. I said I wanted to disrupt the market and we have done that. We have won things - which is great. Progress has been hampered a little bit this season. ‘With success, what happens is that you have two fifth-placed finishes and then you qualify for European football, people think you have created a foundation for success but for a club like ourselves, it may be the pinnacle. Because of resources and where others are at, it’s very difficult. ‘People think we are not taking one of the big clubs in this country into the top five then there’s massive resources to push it on. These players have been brilliant in these last couple of seasons. If we are missing players, then that’s where it’s at. We are on par, as such. ‘My job is to elevate us beyond that and push and that’s what we have always done: win things, play good football and bring young players through. That’s the vision as it was outlined. For me, it’s to disrupt, keep fighting and all within keeping the club in a sustainable place. 'Whether that’s success or failure, it’s all about the narrative. I know where we have been and where we are taking the club. If expectation is there, that’s great because it means we’ve achieved something.’ ‘It’s been unfortunate, when you look at all the clubs and the injuries, It’s been unfortunate across the board,’ said Rodgers. ‘We will get those guys back and really look to attack the second half of the season.’ ‘Football, like life, if you lose something that you have it can be very painful,’ said Rodgers. ‘Clearly in the game we were in a great position, seconds away from what would have been a great result. Then we lost it. It is painful, it is suffering, because it is such a big blow for us. ‘I said to the players that football is the University of Adversity. You learn to pick yourself up in football. If you don’t, you’re never going to push on. That is both coaches and players. When you are in this game, you know it is not an upward curve all the way. 'The learning is that when the pain comes, and the suffering comes, that you react the right way. That is why I am here, to pick the players up, identify where we can be better. 'Naturally it does hurt but that is the job and it is my responsibility. I think we have shown in the time we have been here that we have suffered we have been able to get back up and fight again. That is what’s important.' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 Just now, Ric Flair said: Doesn't really matter whether it is or isn't. It's psychology and there will be no coincidence what this lot achieved in the last few years where Rodgers persona and demeanour was completely different to what it is now where he's very eager to point of caveats, obstacles and making sure he's pointed out why it's very difficult to have ambition to challenge the top 6. When he came here he was quite resolute in his goals of bringing European football, challenging for cups etc and he delivered. The change mirrors the stagnation and possible battle scars of the feeling of falling at the final hurdle twice and I think he now believes its not possible, rather than harnessing that to keep believing and pushing his squad to achieve top 4. He's done so well here but I want a Brendan Rodgers who genuinely believes he can get us top 4 here, as that's a very good manager and coach. I don't want this Brendan Rodgers as its the beginning of the end. Perhaps a squad like ours needs to take a season off physically - with all the injuries, this seems like a good one to choose. did you see that spurs have gone from being 20th in running stats to 1st ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 23 January 2022 Author Share Posted 23 January 2022 6 minutes ago, StanSP said: “My job is to elevate and that’s what we have always done: win things, play good football and bring players through. That’s the vision, to disrupt, keep fighting whilst keeping the club sustainable” You're choosing to believe one part of what he says. Not anything else. Could have used that as the headline but it wouldn't cause all this. A fvcking Leicester fan writing it to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 1 minute ago, Fox92 said: Could have used that as the headline but it wouldn't cause all this. A fvcking Leicester fan writing it to. In fairness I don’t think the writers decide the headlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry_LCFC Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 I swear to god if he goes defensive against bloody Brighton at home and we don't get 3 points, that surely has to be him done here. After that shitshow the other night, nothing but a stellar performance today is good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Maul Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 Standard Daily Mail clickbait shite from what is a pretty normal interview and a lot of our lot seem to have fallen for it on here and on twitter. Isn't going to help the mood in the fanbase at all, good work Sharpe. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 10 minutes ago, StanSP said: “My job is to elevate and that’s what we have always done: win things, play good football and bring players through. That’s the vision, to disrupt, keep fighting whilst keeping the club sustainable” You're choosing to believe one part of what he says. Not anything else. Exactly, the reason I'm choosing to believe that is because of the cognitive messaging and its highly likely this will drip down to the squad too with attitudes and mindset like this. This is what I'm talking about, he's going out of his way to remind everyone of what we " might " not be able to do when he and this club before him have proven that we don't need cliche bollocks about what's possible or not. This is of no surprise though, this is what people do when under pressure. It's just a shame as he is very influential on these players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 2 minutes ago, Larry_LCFC said: I swear to god if he goes defensive against bloody Brighton at home and we don't get 3 points, that surely has to be him done here. After that shitshow the other night, nothing but a stellar performance today is good enough. Today and Forest are massive games Lose both and I’ll be back on my ‘Rodgers Out’ box 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Exactly, the reason I'm choosing to believe that is because of the cognitive messaging and its highly likely this will drip down to the squad too with attitudes and mindset like this. This is what I'm talking about, he's going out of his way to remind everyone of what we " might " not be able to do when he and this club before him have proven that we don't need cliche bollocks about what's possible or not. This is of no surprise though, this is what people do when under pressure. It's just a shame as he is very influential on these players. My point being you've only taken one part of the article and story and ran with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry_LCFC Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 Just now, The Year Of The Fox said: Today and Forest are massive games Lose both and I’ll be back on my ‘Rodgers Out’ box The quality we still have our team is enough to beat both teams. How he sets up said quality is entirely on him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George31 Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 Claudio Ranieri win ratio 44.44% Brendan Rodgers win ratio 49.6% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tielemans63 Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 'University of Adversity' That's one to add to the list of Brendanisms 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 The University of Adversity Fuch me the blokes gone full on David Brent. Absolute muppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod.E Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 3 hours ago, SemperEadem said: 5th probably is about our ceiling though. Anything other than complete collapse in the last two seasons and we'd have done better. It's doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastik Man Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 1 hour ago, Grebfromgrebland said: Er melons can't read Ah, but we have one playing centre back. All be it badly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 As usual it’s an interview in which Rodgers says an awful lot without really saying anything at all. In any event, he’s right, 5th probably is about the “pinnacle” (2016 notwithstanding) for a club like us. But 5th absolutely should not have been the pinnacle in two seasons in which Chelsea had Lampard, Spurs had a past-it Mourinho, United had Solskjaer and Arsenal had a rookie Arteta in charge. The door was left open, we were 90% of the way through it and we fell over. We’ve been getting the results of a mid-table outfit for 2 years now, results should not be a surprise at this point. Our points based on xG is the 5th lowest in the league, marginally better than Watford. The question in everybody’s minds should not be whether Rodgers has done a good job to this point but whether he will do a good job in the future. Vardy, Schmeichel, Evans and Tielemans all reaching the end of their time here (at least as starters) will be really challenging. Personally I don’t trust him to recruit the quality to replace them and rejuvenate the remaining squad members and worry that a continuation of this trend into next season will see us closer to the bottom 3 than the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillippaT Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 3 minutes ago, ttfn said: As usual it’s an interview in which Rodgers says an awful lot without really saying anything at all. In any event, he’s right, 5th probably is about the “pinnacle” (2016 notwithstanding) for a club like us. But 5th absolutely should not have been the pinnacle in two seasons in which Chelsea had Lampard, Spurs had a past-it Mourinho, United had Solskjaer and Arsenal had a rookie Arteta in charge. The door was left open, we were 90% of the way through it and we fell over. We’ve been getting the results of a mid-table outfit for 2 years now, results should not be a surprise at this point. Our points based on xG is the 5th lowest in the league, marginally better than Watford. The question in everybody’s minds should not be whether Rodgers has done a good job to this point but whether he will do a good job in the future. Vardy, Schmeichel, Evans and Tielemans all reaching the end of their time here (at least as starters) will be really challenging. Personally I don’t trust him to recruit the quality to replace them and rejuvenate the remaining squad members and worry that a continuation of this trend into next season will see us closer to the bottom 3 than the top 6. The next question, is then, of course, who would you trust in recruitment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 8 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said: Today and Forest are massive games Lose both and I’ll be back on my ‘Rodgers Out’ box I’m fascinated that anybody could have been “Rodgers Out” a month ago but is now not. All of the same problems persist. Results have been better but I am not sure the performances have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickyblueeyes Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 3 minutes ago, pmcla26 said: The same people that say Rodgers out are the ones that suggest £30m+ players in the transfer threads. They just don’t get it. It’s really not the same people. Not by a long shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Maul Posted 23 January 2022 Share Posted 23 January 2022 The next 2 do seem pretty pivotal for Rodgers... if we lose either then I think a good number of fans will start losing faith in him turning it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post moore_94 Posted 23 January 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 23 January 2022 People jumping on a click bait Daily Mail headline without reading the rest of the article and using it to suit their agenda? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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