teblin Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 1 minute ago, lcfc278 said: I can't get my head around why he took Barnes off at half time, unless he is one of the players he's saying has let him down and isn't giving 100%. I thought to start with Barnes looked liveliest and was mostly let down by Thomas having a terrible start to the game. I forgot Lookman was even playing at times yesterday, he offered even less but stayed on. We just couldn't handle Davis in the first half and, I get he's not had a great season, but why did we not go with Vestergaard, an actual CB, over Amartey or even Soyuncu who hasn't shown any ounce of his former self for the last 2 seasons. Maybe in hindsight it's easy to spot these things but I just can't work out how yesterday happened and how we offered so little in terms of passion, ambition or drive. So embarrassed and siappointed. We were saying the same. Barnes issue I think is that he doesn’t work hard enough towards his own goal. Does close crosses down etc.. and makes it too easy for crosses to come into the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjcW Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 You wonder how long he can peddle the “no hunger, no fight” line… but then not start Albrighton who gives that every single time he gets onto the pitch. You can’t ask for something and then not reward it when players actually show you it Tosspot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damolcfc Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 Thomas looked scared stiff... felt sorry for him, not like him to be so distant... then 2nd half nobody from defence upwards seemed to be in any sorta position... the most confused state iv seen for a long time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whetstonefox Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 If we are dragged into a relegation scrap how confident can we be this team/manager would have the bottle to win such a scrap? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuriousFox46 Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 He’s not gonna go, is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJB-fox Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 3 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: I doubt he defends them behind closed doors, so there's no need to criticse them publically. The only reason you do it is to deflect from yourself Or because major changes are clearly needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichfox Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 I've sat on the fence,till my arse was sore, but I just want Rodgers gone from our club now, he adds nothing of quality now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 Just now, TJB-fox said: Or because major changes are clearly needed? What does stating it to the media achieve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasyls Pec Deck Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 The next few performances will show a lot about the players mental character, who wants to be here and whether the manager is the right person to lead the rebuild. I said months ago when Rodger’s first started getting under pressure that we cannot look at his past to determine what he is like at doing a refresh after a 3 year cycle - because he’s not been anywhere long enough. That could be quite telling. He seems to be very good at going in and improving what he’s got, but we don’t know how good he is at building a side. At Liverpool he was strongly criticised for poor defending - are we starting to see that here? The only question now is whether the refresh / rebuild will go as far as the managers office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lako42 Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 The longer this mess goes on the harder this apparent re-building job is going to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozman Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 Just now, FuriousFox46 said: He’s not gonna go, is he? I think not till the end of the season. Then he will be moved on.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjcW Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 2 minutes ago, whetstonefox said: If we are dragged into a relegation scrap how confident can we be this team/manager would have the bottle to win such a scrap? We won’t, this is probably the lowest quality league in Prem history. I think we’re probably already at survival points total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Fannieri Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 Leadership and discipline comes from the Manager and sadly it has been lacking in abundance, we have a group of players who look lost and bewildered at our tactics and defensive set up. Our injury record in the last 2/3 seasons is an embarrassment and our off field discipline is becoming more and more a discussion point. The time has come to remove Rodgers and bring in a Manager and back room team that will instil discipline, professionalism and reinstall some level of defensive stability. Rodgers is presiding over a shambles both on and off the pitch and the responsibility and accountability sits with him. Time to go Brendan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes_rule1978 Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 I’m a way Rodgers is having a go at the players and it is hard to not agree with him. The lack of aggression and simple individual errors is just beyond a joke. Rodgers however should not be hiding from blame himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox1 Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 Has he gone yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJB-fox Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 2 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: What does stating it to the media achieve? Well you’d hope it would prompt some level of reaction from the players, even if it’s in a ‘fvck you’ kind of response towards BR from the playing squad. Also, gives us as fans an insight into wtf is happening at our club right now. I think it’s good he’s come out with the whole overhaul thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edingleyfox Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, lcfc278 said: I can't get my head around why he took Barnes off at half time, unless he is one of the players he's saying has let him down and isn't giving 100%. I thought to start with Barnes looked liveliest and was mostly let down by Thomas having a terrible start to the game. I forgot Lookman was even playing at times yesterday, he offered even less but stayed on. We just couldn't handle Davis in the first half and, I get he's not had a great season, but why did we not go with Vestergaard, an actual CB, over Amartey or even Soyuncu who hasn't shown any ounce of his former self for the last 2 seasons. Maybe in hindsight it's easy to spot these things but I just can't work out how yesterday happened and how we offered so little in terms of passion, ambition or drive. So embarrassed and siappointed. I'm just wondering if Brendan thinks Barnes and Tielemans were not doing enough defending from the front. I do agree that Barnes had a decent first half. Lookman looks better on the left IMO and didn't offer very much. Sometimes it is good to admit that the formation didn't work with plenty of pace/flair but not enough pressing or tackling. I think questioning players commitment is best done off camera. Edited 7 February 2022 by Edingleyfox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blanchflower78 Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 The message isn't getting through to players he's suggesting. Start of the end normally when this happens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, AjcW said: You wonder how long he can peddle the “no hunger, no fight” line… but then not start Albrighton who gives that every single time he gets onto the pitch. You can’t ask for something and then not reward it when players actually show you it Tosspot Some of the untruths Rodgers comes out with are now coming home to roost a bit. He has always talked about his team's (including us) having aggression, physicality and a good mentality. None of those traits have really ever been evident throughout his time here. The only time I could say we played with genuine aggression was in the first 6 months of his reign, and that was aggression in pressing rather than being physically imposing. Edited 7 February 2022 by martyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fightforever Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sly said: It’s could be more extreme than that. LB - 1 Needed, Thomas (Backup), Bertrand Sold CB - Fofana, Evans Backup, Amartey leaves on a free, Soyuncu Sold, Vestergaard Sold, Two players needed or three is Evans is finished. RB - Ricardo sold if he won’t sign a new deal. Castagne wants out. VDC sell. Potentially 2 new right backs needed. That’s just the defence, before we get into the other positions that need addressing. Jakupovic expires this summer. Not really an issue. Tielemans, Soyuncu, Ricardo, Perez, Bertrand, Evans, Mendy, Vardy, Choudhury, Schmeichel all expire next year. If they won’t sign, we’ll need to sell whilst we can still get value. We’re looking at a major rebuild. The question is, would you trust Rodgers to undertake it. I remember saying a few months ago that looking at the contract situation of our players it was the beginning of the end for us even challenging the top 10 let alone 6. Of course no one believed me as it was on the back of a win but I think my predicition is becoming ever more likely. Edited 7 February 2022 by Fightforever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 4 minutes ago, TJB-fox said: Well you’d hope it would prompt some level of reaction from the players, even if it’s in a ‘fvck you’ kind of response towards BR from the playing squad. Also, gives us as fans an insight into wtf is happening at our club right now. I think it’s good he’s come out with the whole overhaul thing It doesn't give you an insight though all he's done is create gossip and started rumours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingkisnorbo Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 The other major gripe I have with him is that I’ve never warmed to him. I never will really. Despite his successes at the club, I don’t think he’s a very likeable man, I’d guess that he’s a poor man manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 3 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said: Leadership and discipline comes from the Manager and sadly it has been lacking in abundance, we have a group of players who look lost and bewildered at our tactics and defensive set up. Our injury record in the last 2/3 seasons is an embarrassment and our off field discipline is becoming more and more a discussion point. The time has come to remove Rodgers and bring in a Manager and back room team that will instil discipline, professionalism and reinstall some level of defensive stability. Rodgers is presiding over a shambles both on and off the pitch and the responsibility and accountability sits with him. Time to go Brendan. In part, but a manager cannot make a leader where there isn`t the right mentality within the squad. Vardy is no leader, Kasper is vocal but isolated, Youri is almost it, but he is not vocal enough. Brendan has many flaws, but I have never bought into the idea that managers can magically make players without the required magnetism and authority into these required characters. He should inspire them sure, and just because Forest v Leicester is not Liverpool v Everton, or Rangers v Celtic is no excuse, it is our prime rivalry (Coventry RIP), but he is just not as good at that as some think. It is also worth noting that our squad personality is exceptionally poor, we do not seem to have a collective spirit in the face of adversity, but Brendan does need to embrace the current adversity and use it to the teams advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox1norfolk Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 13 minutes ago, Lako42 said: The longer this mess goes on the harder this apparent re-building job is going to be. The problem is we don't have a midfield bully like Rice at West Ham, strong, determined and a leader. All are guys are too nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 7 February 2022 Share Posted 7 February 2022 4 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: In part, but a manager cannot make a leader where there isn`t the right mentality within the squad. Vardy is no leader, Kasper is vocal but isolated, Youri is almost it, but he is not vocal enough. Brendan has many flaws, but I have never bought into the idea that managers can magically make players without the required magnetism and authority into these required characters. He should inspire them sure, and just because Forest v Leicester is not Liverpool v Everton, or Rangers v Celtic is no excuse, it is our prime rivalry (Coventry RIP), but he is just not as good at that as some think. It is also worth noting that our squad personality is exceptionally poor, we do not seem to have a collective spirit in the face of adversity, but Brendan does need to embrace the current adversity and use it to the teams advantage. Agree with all of this, but it is still fundamentally his fault. Rodgers has been the manager for 3 years now, he has had plenty of time to assemble a team or squad with leaders in it, he just hasn’t prioritised it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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