sacreblueits442 Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 1 hour ago, Ric Flair said: The thing about lacking leaders is quite generic though. It's the same as saying someone with grit and determination is needed when losing games that are turgid and boring. The clubs soft underbelly isn't to do with leadership on the pitch IMO, don't forget we've been a disgrace at times with Kasper, Morgan, Fuchs, Evans, Albrighton and Vardy but its easy to think that leadership is the difference between collapsing or succeeding. It certainly has a part in it, but you could have 11 ex captains out there and it not be right. What I see is a crisis of confidence. ...those players I would say are not your archetypal skippers!!! They are seasoned professionals who are professional in what they do on the pitch, and have their own internal discipline!!! A skipper is someone that takes control of other players and instill the discipline that they have lost at that moment, and lifting the players around him by taking them out of themselves. Transmitting by word or deed, the reason to stand up with him, in those moments of adversity, defines a leader. Confidence can come and go and is fickle, a leader takes that uncertainty out of the equation and ask his team to believe in him. What ever you do or have done in life, there is always a situation where as soon as a certain person is inserted into the situation, your are immediately relieved and your previous mood is lifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said: If Brendan drops an underperforming Soyuncu or less so, but still suspect Amartey, for Vestergaard, would people moan prior to kick off? Genuine question. Yes, Vestergaard doesn't deserve to start if he was the last football player on earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Yes, Vestergaard doesn't deserve to start if he was the last football player on earth. So you would rather stick with Cags then? Or go youth for full on risk against Liverpool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 1 hour ago, Fox92 said: You don't have to be an experienced player to be a leader. Players like Steven Gerrard and Roy Keane were leaders of their teams in their early/mid 20's. It's about players attitude, determination and wanting to win not their experience. The irony is that's Youri Tielemans who trains and lives his life dedicated to football and is so determined to succeed, hence his monumental performances in the quart final through to the final and his sheer devastation at the final whistle vs Spurs when the rest of the players, even Vardy weren't anywhere near as effected at throwing it away. Tielemans is regularly questioned as not being a strong enough leader, its absolute rubbish. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 4 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: So you would rather stick with Cags then? Or go youth for full on risk against Liverpool? The football Liverpool play would expose Vestergaard more than Lesley Grantham on a webcam. He was horrifying when he came on in the cup vs them. Soyuncu is a liability this season and I'd not start him either right now. Ndidi is hardly Baresi at the back but given how iffy he's been as a DCM this season and that we've kept 2 clean sheets with him and Amartey at CB where emphasis is not on playing out from the back uneccesarily which is often our downfall then I'd go with them. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: The football Liverpool play would expose Vestergaard more than Lesley Grantham on a webcam. He was horrifying when he came on in the cup vs them. Soyuncu is a liability this season and I'd not start him either right now. Ndidi is hardly Baresi at the back but given how iffy he's been as a DCM this season and that we've kept 2 clean sheets with him and Amartey at CB where emphasis is not on playing out from the back uneccesarily which is often our downfall then I'd go with them. Well why not play Vestergaard but tell him not to venture further forward, feck it, he can sit on Kasper’s knee for all I care, and get him to ping some of those balls forward he can do occasionally, then leave Wilf to stink up his normal position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said: If Brendan drops an underperforming Soyuncu or less so, but still suspect Amartey, for Vestergaard, would people moan prior to kick off? Genuine question. ...what ever team he picks, and with that scenario I would understand it to be a reaction to his previous comments!!! I would not be worried because it would be his answer to the beginning of his rebuild. He has to do what he believes is correct, it will either prove to be correct or be the rope to hang himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 9 February 2022 Author Share Posted 9 February 2022 36 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: The irony is that's Youri Tielemans who trains and lives his life dedicated to football and is so determined to succeed, hence his monumental performances in the quart final through to the final and his sheer devastation at the final whistle vs Spurs when the rest of the players, even Vardy weren't anywhere near as effected at throwing it away. Tielemans is regularly questioned as not being a strong enough leader, its absolute rubbish. Agreed, I thought before Tielemans should be captain. I know people criticised him being captain on Sunday given he wants to leave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrington fox Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 3 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...if there is a team that has our number, it is West Ham!!! I would more likely expect a result from the Liverpool game than anything from West Ham. This game tomorrow is very hard to assess due to the performance on Sunday and Rodgers comments after the game. The players reaction will be interesting and I suspect the team sheet will be much changed if Rodgers reaction to what he saw backs up his comments. Fair comment. Personally I don't see how he can start Amartey and Soyuncu together again. Ndidi as a centre back again, I hope. Though if he can avoid conceding a pen this time would be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian S Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 1 hour ago, Ric Flair said: The irony is that's Youri Tielemans who trains and lives his life dedicated to football and is so determined to succeed, hence his monumental performances in the quart final through to the final and his sheer devastation at the final whistle vs Spurs when the rest of the players, even Vardy weren't anywhere near as effected at throwing it away. Tielemans is regularly questioned as not being a strong enough leader, its absolute rubbish. Wasn’t much of a leader on Sunday, was missing in action not for the first time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eskay Posted 9 February 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 9 February 2022 Not sure why people are buzzing from his press conference today. I'm bored of him banging this drum about the squad needing a refresh.....it also needs coaching!! Just because they've been together for 3 years doesn't mean they can't learn to defend corners!! Also he wants to be careful with other comments.....saying that 9 of 11 players that started on Sunday were here when he came to the club.......well that number would be lower if he hadn't signed a load of shit. He doesn't mind the old guard when they're doing the job for him. It's all just becoming a bit cheap now and a lot of blame shifting. He has plenty to answer for. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon alex Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 I agree with almost everything , how come did you know KDH its better than Tavares??? Il be honest with you that was a big lost , Tavares was the best replacement for Tielmans 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep blue Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 3 hours ago, Dahnsouff said: So you would rather stick with Cags then? Or go youth for full on risk against Liverpool? I would have played Brunt after the Watford game - up to 3 games before the Liverpool game to see if he could have continued to progress and step up to each challenge. If he looks out of his depth at any step then immediately suspend the experiment. Nothing much lost, and you won't know anyway until you give the youngsters a try. I know there's the argument that if it goes badly wrong it could knock the lad's confidence, but any man-manager worth his salt should be able to mitigate that. On the other hand, the manager placing his trust in you could give your confidence an uplift. I wonder how much it may have dented Brunt after playing so well v Watford and being dropped out of sight as his reward? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 2 hours ago, Ian S said: Wasn’t much of a leader on Sunday, was missing in action not for the first time. And yet he was a colossal force in the FA Cup QF and final last season in high pressure games. The way he conducts himself and his ability makes him one of the most reliable players in my eyes at this club. He's been unbelievable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post turlo Posted 9 February 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 9 February 2022 46 minutes ago, Simon alex said: I agree with almost everything , how come did you know KDH its better than Tavares??? Il be honest with you that was a big lost , Tavares was the best replacement for Tielmans Agreed he was a world beater in the 1 minute he played for Porto reserves since he moved there. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SO1 Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 21 minutes ago, turlo said: Agreed he was a world beater in the 1 minute he played for Porto reserves since he moved there. Shooting fish in a barrel. You big meany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collymore Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 Not sure if this has been shared but a great discussion. I think Jordan is spot on. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 2 hours ago, Simon alex said: I agree with almost everything , how come did you know KDH its better than Tavares??? Il be honest with you that was a big lost , Tavares was the best replacement for Tielmans ....that is a big ask of Tavares, he may play in the same manner as Youri, but KDH gives the team something we have been missing!!! Tavares starting to get game time (not much) at Porto B, and getting cameo roles is a start. He will have to work his way back and at the moment he is way adrift of KDH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 5 hours ago, Ric Flair said: The football Liverpool play would expose Vestergaard more than Lesley Grantham on a webcam. He was horrifying when he came on in the cup vs them. Soyuncu is a liability this season and I'd not start him either right now. Ndidi is hardly Baresi at the back but given how iffy he's been as a DCM this season and that we've kept 2 clean sheets with him and Amartey at CB where emphasis is not on playing out from the back uneccesarily which is often our downfall then I'd go with them. +10 for the Lesley Graham reference 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 5 hours ago, Fox92 said: Agreed, I thought before Tielemans should be captain. I know people criticised him being captain on Sunday given he wants to leave. ....I am a fan of Youri, but irrespective of him wanting to leave or not, he is not the player you look to on the pitch for inspiration!!! He has the ability to play a killer pass to open teams up and it is good to have this option, but I would rather have a player who holds the team together for 90 minutes, than the occasional moments of brilliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grebfromgrebland Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 I'm fascinated to see what our players and Rodgers are made of now it our backs are against the wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 2 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said: I'm fascinated to see what our players and Rodgers are made of now it our backs are against the wall But we know what they're made of. We've buckled under pressure so many times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Fox Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 If Rodgers was French he would have been sacked by now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon alex Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 Just now, sacreblueits442 said: ....that is a big ask of Tavares, he may play in the same manner as Youri, but KDH gives the team something we have been missing!!! Tavares starting to get game time (not much) at Porto B, and getting cameo roles is a start. He will have to work his way back and at the moment he is way adrift of KDH. So KDH put Leicester city in first place in premiere league? Where he was against Forrest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon alex Posted 9 February 2022 Share Posted 9 February 2022 41 minutes ago, turlo said: Agreed he was a world beater in the 1 minute he played for Porto reserves since he moved there. He was injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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