Happy Fox Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 @Ric Flair you intimated Rudkin and Rodgers relationship turning sour, I cannot imagine Rodgers will last much longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 Just now, Happy Fox said: @Ric Flair you intimated Rudkin and Rodgers relationship turning sour, I cannot imagine Rodgers will last much longer That's what I'd heard last weekend. Then this broke on Monday from some people who get to know way more info than I do so it would not surprise me if there's something in this. Rodgers tends to fall out with someone at a club in the final stretch of his tenure and he can shape the narrative quite nicely publicly. No doubt it'll be all woe me because of injuries and a lack of transfer funds when we most needed it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcfc82 Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 29 minutes ago, Stuntman_Mike said: I'm really not impressed with Rodgers bringing up this whole 'didn't know we were in it' narrative about the Europa Conference again. It was one thing saying it after the Napoli game, but saying it again now is making him look a right arrogant nob. I know he’s trying to spin it as we were only focused on progressing in the Europa so hadn’t given it any thought but he’s sounding like a knob now. If he genuinely didn’t know that 3rd place put you in the conference league then he wants sacking for that anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcfc82 Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: That's what I'd heard last weekend. Then this broke on Monday from some people who get to know way more info than I do so it would not surprise me if there's something in this. Rodgers tends to fall out with someone at a club in the final stretch of his tenure and he can shape the narrative quite nicely publicly. No doubt it'll be all woe me because of injuries and a lack of transfer funds when we most needed it. His comments about him doing his very best with the resources given to him and he will stay until someone tells him otherwise suggest that something has happened and he knows he’s not going to be here much longer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasyls Pec Deck Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 If we had finished second in the Europa League group I note that tonight we would have played Barcelona in the Europa playoffs. Imagine how that would have impacted on things! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Fox Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: That's what I'd heard last weekend. Then this broke on Monday from some people who get to know way more info than I do so it would not surprise me if there's something in this. Rodgers tends to fall out with someone at a club in the final stretch of his tenure and he can shape the narrative quite nicely publicly. No doubt it'll be all woe me because of injuries and a lack of transfer funds when we most needed it. Re Injuries - he’s responsible for rushing players back and wasn’t there rumours of training ground sessions being too intense when we had lots of games in succession over Christmas period? Re transfer funds - you have laugh he’s been backed to the hilt, we have good players here, Daka has been a good buy, but the others money has been wasted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntman_Mike Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 32 minutes ago, Matt_Lcfc said: Who does he think he is? So much arrogance for a manager with a terrible record in Europe. Exactly. He's not exactly above it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post volpeazzurro Posted 17 February 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 17 February 2022 48 minutes ago, turlo said: Its speculation but this is FT so why not. Rodgers wants a big rebuild and is expecting a big transfer kitty if we move a few players on. Rodgers wants to target a mixture of established EPL players and experienced players from abroad, who will come in as ready starters to push for European places but will demand higher wages with minimal potential for increased resale value. Equality they could fail to deliver at the required level like Perez and we end up with overpaid players who are hard to move on. Rudders on the other hand wants to focus on bringing in scouted younger prospects from the championship and European leagues on lower wages with big potential but could take a year or two before they are at the level required to be pushing for top 6. Rudders tells Rodgers in no uncertain terms he's not doing the rebuild his way and Rodgers throws his dummy out and his agent leaks it to the press to make it look like he's not being backed. It's a fair guess I think too. Unlike Spurs and Levy for example however, I think Rodgers would have been made fully aware of the monetary restraints at Leicester before he chose to come here and in fairness, it's not that bad a model for doing business is it for an aspiring club of our size. Rodgers was a virtual pariah when he left Liverpool but did well at Celtic. However, we were a very good option for him and he was still unlikely to get any better Premiership offers at that time I'd suggest. We had a very decent squad of players and more has been invested since, this year, without selling of our best assets and you can't usually have it both ways at Leicester. To suggest that the current demise is due to lack of investment would be crass. As Muzzy_Larsson suggests, there is suddenly a suspicious correlation between certain things that occurred at Celtic and now here. There's almost, one could suggest, a series of leaks cleverly designed to help maintain Rodgers media loving elite manager myth in tact, leaks choreographed to suggest that Rodgers management skills have had absolutely nothing to do with Leicester City's boom and bust situation, it's all somebody else's fault at little old Leicester. There is evidence of an attempted departure from the buy cheap sell high transfer policy in order to buy in some experience in the shape of Perez, Vestergaard and Bertrand. However, none of them have proved to have been even equal to let alone better than our supposed inexperienced youngsters learning on the job. In contrast, Fofana, Daka and JJ are stella signings that are already better in every way let alone our own academy products. It's one thing listening to and trying to back a manager but, when he has shown that historically and currently that in that area of his judgement, he doesn't really cut the mustard, then it makes absolute sense to go back to and rely upon what has previously proved to have been a largely successful model of recruitment for the betterment of the club. Speculation is just speculation but sometimes there's so much smoke there's a a reasonable chance of a fire. Couple that with some of the more recent Rodgers comments of 'the problems are nothing to do with me' nature and you can even start to feel the heat. It's possibly personal prejudice but, I can't help but get a whiff of a maleficent and poisonous force in Rodgers persona. If what I think will be the inevitable happens in the summer or sooner, should Rodgers comes out with the elitist line of I took little old Leicester as far as I could, I just hope that someone at Leicester will openly challenge it. Players never will because of their future career and in fairness, most probably no-one at the club will either because Top and his family, together with Vichai previously, are far too bound up in respect and doing things right which is refreshing in today's society. Rodgers I suspect will burn himself out and the Emporers new clothes will eventually be laughed at. He will however be a multi millionaire but that's football. He won't be the first, won't be the last. 5 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 I don't even doubt that he didn't know we were in it such is his incompetence this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanymac Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 I find a lot of the criticism directed towards Rogers is either based on his personality traits, or spurious, speculative reports of discussions, arguments and fallouts of which we know very little. None of us know what Rogers is like in person or what he's like to deal with. And more to the point who cares anyway. Klopp and Pep are both massive narcissistic b***ends, they are still class managers. He might well be an arrogant toad, but I think he's a really good manager. (as does he I would imagine😂) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The whole world smiles Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said: If we had finished second in the Europa League group I note that tonight we would have played Barcelona in the Europa playoffs. Imagine how that would have impacted on things! I don't want to go all sliding doors on you, But it doesn't work like that, if we finished 2nd we wouldn't have instantly got the same draw napoli did everything would have been slightly different the balls the format of the draw etc etc. Edited 17 February 2022 by The whole world smiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrifox Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 6 minutes ago, seanymac said: I find a lot of the criticism directed towards Rogers is either based on his personality traits, or spurious, speculative reports of discussions, arguments and fallouts of which we know very little. None of us know what Rogers is like in person or what he's like to deal with. And more to the point who cares anyway. Klopp and Pep are both massive narcissistic b***ends, they are still class managers. He might well be an arrogant toad, but I think he's a really good manager. (as does he I would imagine😂) he deserves all the criticism coming his way for spelling his name with a D in it 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 Just now, surrifox said: he deserves all the criticism coming his way for spelling his name with a D in it Which is the most annoying? A) Rogers B) Woods C) McGuire 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 2 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: Which is the most annoying? A) Rogers B) Woods C) McGuire Mcguire 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasyls Pec Deck Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 12 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said: I don't want to go all sliding doors on you, But it doesn't work like that, if we finished 2nd we wouldn't have instantly got the same draw napoli did everything would have been slightly different the balls the format of the draw etc etc. That sounds too much like common sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smudgerfox Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 2 hours ago, Muzzy_Larsson said: People are probably fed up with me saying this but again, massive parallels to his end at Celtic and falling out with Lawell over transfers. He did have a bit of a case in point at Celtic as it was our own fault that we missed out on McGinn and Schar when both players wanted to sign and were massive value at £7m combined. That said, I can also understand Lawell's position in this sense also. Rodgers, despite having the biggest wage bill in our history insisted that it would take a lot more money for us to be a consistent and possibly last 16 CL team. Fine, he was probably right, but the legitimate issue Lawell probably had was that he'd given him and Congerton significant transfer funds and they'd wasted it on a bunch of guys who couldn't threaten the first team so he was within his rights to try and bring transfers back under his control. The problem at Celtic was that Lawell was the de facto director of football/head of recruitment which was in itself a problem and we should have someone with the proper credentials in this role sitting between him and Rodgers. Congerton I guess you could say was meant to be that guy but he was an absolute charlatan. One example of how useful Congeton was that he was apparently annoyed we couldn't match Brighton's offer for Neil Maupay, talk about not understanding the constraints of your role and not being able to identify players within your budget. It seems like a pretty identical situation with Rudkin now, although in this case I don't think Rodgers has a leg to stand on as because from the outside it looks Rudkin is actually competent at his job and the club have got Rodgers the players he wants. He himself was quite public on this as recently as the summer so it's a bit rich now saying he doesn't have enough imo. Who were the Celtic signings who didn’t challenge the first team - I’m very interested to know …Congerton leaving does seem strange though from his reputation at Celtic nit sorry to see him go… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 1 hour ago, The Year Of The Fox said: If only it was ‘one game’ 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Absolutely, but to say that losing against Wolves is the final straw is insane to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 3 minutes ago, daddylonglegs said: Absolutely, but to say that losing against Wolves is the final straw is insane to me. The final straw would’ve been long ago had a) Money not been an object b) we hadn’t won the FA Cup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazman Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 4 minutes ago, daddylonglegs said: Absolutely, but to say that losing against Wolves is the final straw is insane to me. No not insane, when we lose to Wolves is inevitable, I hope not, but cant see us getting anything there other than a comfortable loss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzy_Larsson Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 1 hour ago, smudgerfox said: Who were the Celtic signings who didn’t challenge the first team - I’m very interested to know …Congerton leaving does seem strange though from his reputation at Celtic nit sorry to see him go… Here's a list of all Rodgers signings at Celtic and you can judge for yourselves. Good: Dembele - Sensational. Not strictly a Rdogers signing as we'd been working on the deal for him since the January before Rodgers arrived. Rodgers developed him excellently though before royally mismanaging him and p!ssing him off. Sinclair - Amazing, especially the first couple of years. Toure - Done a job the first half of Rodgers' first season when we had barely any bodies at the back. Edouard - Superb, again though, it's obvious this was a Lawell signing, we brought him in out of nowhere on loan from PSG on the last day of the window and Lawell and Nasser have had a long standing friendship through sitting on the UEFA board together. Benkovic (LOAN) - Done great, was a rolls royce up here, although we tried to sign him permanently the summer before so I reckon he was put to Rodgers by Lawell. Timo Weah (LOAN) - Decent impact player in his 6 months here. The PSG signings were Lawell signings though due to his friendliness with Nasser, Weah and Edouard were down to Lawell. Bad: Comperr - 1 appearance, Was here 2 years, on 25k a week, played 80 mins in total. Congerton has taken him to most clubs he's been at in the past. Jack Hendry - Started crying on the pitch in one game. We sold a much better player in Sviatchenko than Hendry was. Tbf has carved out a decent career now for himself in Belgium. Dorus De Vries - Played 15 games, was a disaster, one Rodgers had at previous clubs Cristian Gamboa - Crap, 22 appearances over three years, maybe more. Eboue Kouassi - Signed for decent money in our terms, £3.5m, 22 appearances and again hung around for a few years not doing much. Johnny Hayes - 27 appearances, decent enough squad player it has to be said but was nowhere near it when everyone was fit. Kundai Benyu - 4 appearances, garbage. Olivier Ntcham - Appearances, 78, on his day a good player but that was once every ten games and after Rodgers left about once in every 30 games. Signed for £4.5m and was freed in the end up. Lewis Morgan - Appearances, 13, was never going to be good enough. Yousoff Mulumbu - 3 appearances, nuff said. Vakoun Bayo - Think Rodgers may have left before he made an appearance, he was crap anyway, made about 20 appearances, think he scored 1 goal that was then later awarded as an OG by DGP. Oliver Burke (LOAN) - How he made it as a footballer I'll never know. Charly Musonda (LOAN) - About half a dozen appearances, had ability but was largely mince. Daniel Arzani (LOAN) - Horse sh!t, always injured, although tbf he was a Lawell signing, pretty obvious that one given our long standing relationship with Man City/The City group Appearances are during Rodgers time at the club for clarirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SO1 Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 1 hour ago, Vazman said: No not insane, when we lose to Wolves is inevitable, I hope not, but cant see us getting anything there other than a comfortable loss. That's the spirit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_77 Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 2 hours ago, foxfanazer said: Which is the most annoying? A) Rogers B) Woods C) McGuire D) Linekar E) Linaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 2 hours ago, seanymac said: I find a lot of the criticism directed towards Rogers is either based on his personality traits, or spurious, speculative reports of discussions, arguments and fallouts of which we know very little. None of us know what Rogers is like in person or what he's like to deal with. And more to the point who cares anyway. Klopp and Pep are both massive narcissistic b***ends, they are still class managers. He might well be an arrogant toad, but I think he's a really good manager. (as does he I would imagine😂) Well all the other stuff that could be landed at his door like the horrendous injuries over the last 2 years, which were similar at Liverpool and Celtic and the complete arrogance and ignorance and yet still inability to solve the set piece and defensive issues are all batted away by Rodgers apologists saying its not his fault as we don't have the unequioval proof. Another big 3 days ahead for Bulletproof Brendan. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain King Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 3 minutes ago, The_77 said: D) Linekar E) Linaker F) Kaspar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanymac Posted 17 February 2022 Share Posted 17 February 2022 3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Well all the other stuff that could be landed at his door like the horrendous injuries over the last 2 years, which were similar at Liverpool and Celtic and the complete arrogance and ignorance and yet still inability to solve the set piece and defensive issues are all batted away by Rodgers apologists saying its not his fault as we don't have the unequioval proof. Another big 3 days ahead for Bulletproof Brendan. How is Fofana's injury his fault? Or Perreira, or James Justin? These are long term knee injuries/broken legs. This is exactly the nonsense I'm talking about. The set piece problem is actually something to be discussed. A genuine failing of the team and management. Absolutely let's talk about these things. Blaming him for a horrendous tackle on our centre back in pre-season is a loads of old cobblers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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