Brendan Rodgers

[Guest StevieLynex]

1 hour ago, ARM1968 said:

Rodgers will go, just a matter of when. He isn’t the messiah. He’s not even a very naughty boy. Did ok for us in reality, but it has gone stale and he isn’t going to freshen things up. There will be no renaissance under Rodgers. 

You’re just making it up as you go along

[fuchsntf]

30 minutes ago, Muzzy_Larsson said:

I'm not trying to argue the point that we've done much in Europe my point is merely we've had managers with far less resources than Rodgers who have done markedly better in Europe, it's pretty black and white that one.

 

Rodgers was immensely successful at Celtic, domestically, again I'm not disagreeing with you there. I've said that countless times and he gave me some of my greatest memories as a Celtic fan and I was devastated when he left. All that said though, his record in Europe just in comparison to other Celtic managers, with less resources, with far more workmanlike teams on paper was pretty poor.

 

If you look at that at all of his clubs, Liverpool, Celtic and Leicester he's underachieved at every single one of them in Europe, when patterns like that emerge you can't ignore them. Last season Leicester should have been reaching the Europa League semi-finals mimimum imo.

I ignore them until careers are over...

Criticising success is a weird approach..

I was and ended before retirement & so called expert...like my bosses,my colleagues & you..!

we have our down moments,saved by up moments, in the time of general mayhem,collecting experience and having fun..

Rodgers, & his level have more success,

Waste of time in life chasing every misendeavour...

Unless you enjoy chasing only negatives over individuals...Then by definition, you are a miserable sod who needs to change their life's angles..

 

I prefer the more balanced banter,instead of " that's it"  he's/they are crap..!!  & This forum is often full of it...I prefer those who support and not continually Nag...

Usually a wife's perogative..

Whining and being a negative yonk every sodding week is not my thing..

[Corky]

50 minutes ago, Muzzy_Larsson said:

 

 

If you look at that at all of his clubs, Liverpool, Celtic and Leicester he's underachieved at every single one of them in Europe, when patterns like that emerge you can't ignore them. Last season Leicester should have been reaching the Europa League semi-finals mimimum imo.

Which is why the 5th place finishes, whilst being impressive league campaigns, didn't really lead to anything tangible beyond that and people are questioning the true worth. A two-legged defeat to Slavia Prague, failing to score in both games with the second leg at home, and a group stage exit after a defeat to Legia Warsaw who are near the bottom of their own league. It is a very poor showing and no hiding beyond any resources argument on this one.

[Sly]

AVB ……

[sacreblueits442]

3 hours ago, DanDare said:

Entitled to what? £10M a year for creating a new style of football where the objective is not to play from goal to goal but to get from one side of the pitch to the other.

Think I'll apply as I'm clearly one of the patronised Entitled if feeling the current management has run it's course.

 

By all means let's give it a few more games but something has to change in how we approach games and how we make meaningful decisions mid game, or it's just the same scenario every week. 

I won't be holding my breath 

...there isn't much change when he plays Nacho or Daka upfront as lone strikers!!!

He then has the option to take off Ndidi and bring on Nacho,  having two upfront would have given us a better chance, but Rodgers will not move away from the lone striker role with these two players. There is no learning by Rodgers he will continue to do the same thing until the media comes out and questions it. He plays Perez come what may, game after game and we all asked the question, why!!

 Yet now he cannot get a game, irrespective of the form shown by under performing players.

Edited 21 February 2022 by sacreblueits442

[Foxy harry]

4 hours ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Three questions I’d love to have answered by the ‘Rodgers in’ brigade

 

1. Why do so many of you believe the squad isn’t good enough (because Rodgers said so whilst covering his ass) when the core of the squad is exactly the same as the one who finished 5th and won the Cup less than a year ago?

 

2. Because your answer to No 1 is going to include the injury list- What makes you so sure that these injuries are magically going to disappear next season to allow us to ‘kick on’ when they haven’t disappeared for 6 months now? 
 

3. Why are you so trusting of Rodgers to recruit these much talked about fresh faces in the summer when by his own words the players HE signed last summer aren’t good enough? 

I'm Rodgers in purely because there isnt a manager with a better record or pedigree who would likely join us at this moment. It would be more of a risk to try and upgrade with the managers in the market right now. If we found ourselves in the position spurs were at the start of the season, when they eventually hired nuno, their 8th choice manager, it would be a massive blow we might not recover from.

Edited 21 February 2022 by Foxy harry

[Bluebeemer]

On 20/02/2022 at 21:04, coolhandfox said:

Did you watch Dortmund defend? 

 

He will fit in well.

And Rangers put 4 past them

Edited 21 February 2022 by Bluebeemer
Typo

[Bert]

7 hours ago, TheMightyFox said:

Another user/wannabe ITK added to the bull💩 list after this disaster of a guess 

Another internet troll…. I won’t say too much about people like you. But I won’t have anyone say that @Ashley is a “wannabe ITK” or even slate the lad….

[ScrumpyJack]

Rodgers in 

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Bluebeemer said:

And Rangers put 4 past them

....I think that was what he meant!!!

[jim5000]

Craig Shakespeare got us to the quarter finals of the Champions League.

 

Rodgers can’t even get us to qualify from our group in the Europa League.

[ealingfox]

I'll not give anyone stick for doing it because its an Internet forum and there are sometimes useful nuggets, but if you stick duff info on here under the pretense of being "ITK", well its not ITK if it was wrong...

[don_danbury]

7 minutes ago, jim5000 said:

Craig Shakespeare got us to the quarter finals of the Champions League.

 

Rodgers can’t even get us to qualify from our group in the Europa League.

he didnt manage us for most of the CL games tho

[Deeg67]

9 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Rodgers record should 100% be better in Europe, but you also need a deep squad to do really well. When has he ever had that in any European campaign that he’s managed? 

The sheer breadth and persistence of excuses Rodgers’ defenders use is truly impressive.  There’s one for every failing.

[The Year Of The Fox]

6 hours ago, Foxy harry said:

I'm Rodgers in purely because there isnt a manager with a better record or pedigree who would likely join us at this moment. It would be more of a risk to try and upgrade with the managers in the market right now. If we found ourselves in the position spurs were at the start of the season, when they eventually hired nuno, their 8th choice manager, it would be a massive blow we might not recover from.

That’s a fair point but I’ve always countered that by saying that on a weekly basis Rodgers is ruining our stock even further and we’re becoming less attractive to other managers. That’s why I wanted him out 6 months ago whilst the going was ‘ok’ 

[Webbo]

15 hours ago, Greg2607 said:

Rodgers 21/22 Performance is worse than 18/19 Puel (Puel's stats below, rodgers is further up the page before) 

 

so if it feels a bit Puel. It's because it is, although, under arguably, much more difficult circumstances (whether of his own making or not)

 

Season	Matches	Wins	Draws	Losses	PPG	Win %
18/19	27	9	5	13	1.19	33.33
17/18	29	10	8	11	1.31	34.48

Puel never won a trophy for us, or qualified for Europe twice, he didn't have the same injury problems either. 

 

You can pretend that doesn't make a difference, but it does. 

[turkish14]

7 hours ago, ealingfox said:

I'll not give anyone stick for doing it because its an Internet forum and there are sometimes useful nuggets, but if you stick duff info on here under the pretense of being "ITK", well its not ITK if it was wrong...

This has been discussed to death…

 

firstly it’s not the ITK’s that call themselves that, it’s forum users that announce other forum users as ITK’s..

 

Secondly “ITK’s” like Ashley tend to get more right then wrong, the pass on what they get told, knowing so many things can change.

 

I like many other forum users love any snippet of information and accept that at times it will prove correct, others it may not. 

 

 

[Greg2607]

24 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Puel never won a trophy for us, or qualified for Europe twice, he didn't have the same injury problems either. 

 

You can pretend that doesn't make a difference, but it does. 

Hence why i said "admittedly under difficult circumstances". 

[Dahnsouff]

20 minutes ago, Greg2607 said:

Hence why i said "admittedly under difficult circumstances". 

Think given the outputs of both managers, that may be underselling it a tad

[Greg2607]

30 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Think given the outputs of both managers, that may be underselling it a tad

i don't think at any point during this discussion i've undermined Rodgers achievements. Watching us win the FA Cup with my son, dad and father in law was a really special memory for me.  By the same token, watching us fall away to 5th in two successive seasons where it was entirely in our hands to finish in the top 4 is not really an achievement is it. granted, for a club of our size, Top 5 is great, on paper, at the beginning of a season.  But not when we are so far ahead of the pack at times. 

 

but i'll state it again, notwithstanding injuries, our form THIS season (which is the whole reason we are having this discussion about Rodgers) is statistically worse than Puel's tenure. 

 

yes, we play better football at times, on our day, we still have the ability to beat the big teams.  but look at the stats below and tell me where this season rodgers outputs (as you liked to describe them) are better than puels. for this season alone, it's been a car crash. 

 

Rodgers

Season	Matches	Wins	Draws	Losses	PPM	Win %
21/22	23	7	6	10	1.17	30.43
20/21	38	20	6	12	1.74	52.6
19/20	38	18	8	12	1.63	47.3
18/19	10	5	2	3	1.70	50%

 

Puel

Season	Matches	Wins	Draws	Losses	PPG	Win %
18/19	27	9	5	13	1.19	33.33
17/18	29	10	8	11	1.31	34.48

[Dahnsouff]

7 minutes ago, Greg2607 said:

i don't think at any point during this discussion i've undermined Rodgers achievements. Watching us win the FA Cup with my son, dad and father in law was a really special memory for me.  By the same token, watching us fall away to 5th in two successive seasons where it was entirely in our hands to finish in the top 4 is not really an achievement is it. granted, for a club of our size, Top 5 is great, on paper, at the beginning of a season.  But not when we are so far ahead of the pack at times. 

 

but i'll state it again, notwithstanding injuries, our form THIS season (which is the whole reason we are having this discussion about Rodgers) is statistically worse than Puel's tenure. 

 

yes, we play better football at times, on our day, we still have the ability to beat the big teams.  but look at the stats below and tell me where this season rodgers outputs (as you liked to describe them) are better than puels. for this season alone, it's been a car crash. 

 

Rodgers

Season	Matches	Wins	Draws	Losses	PPM	Win %
21/22	23	7	6	10	1.17	30.43
20/21	38	20	6	12	1.74	52.6
19/20	38	18	8	12	1.63	47.3
18/19	10	5	2	3	1.70	50%

 

Puel

Season	Matches	Wins	Draws	Losses	PPG	Win %
18/19	27	9	5	13	1.19	33.33
17/18	29	10	8	11	1.31	34.48

No. That is impossible, and to dismiss them in any conversation about this season is extremely disingenuous.

[Greg2607]

4 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

No. That is impossible, and to dismiss them in any conversation about this season is extremely disingenuous.

fair enough then, you see them as an absolute reason for our performance this season. I see them as a contributing factor which can't be viewed in isolation. everyone see's the world through a different lens.

 

For what it is worth, I see the soft tissue injuries as being caused by the club/manager.  Whether that be through poor training recovery methods, not listening to the data that shows players being in the red zone, lack of strength and conditioning or rushing players back too quick. 

 

of course, I have no specific evidence of this, i'm not at the club every day.  but something somewhere isn't right in our preparation. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

11 hours ago, Corky said:

Which is why the 5th place finishes, whilst being impressive league campaigns, didn't really lead to anything tangible beyond that and people are questioning the true worth. A two-legged defeat to Slavia Prague, failing to score in both games with the second leg at home, and a group stage exit after a defeat to Legia Warsaw who are near the bottom of their own league. It is a very poor showing and no hiding beyond any resources argument on this one.

I think there’s clearly a mentality issue. We seem to get up for big games v PL top 6 but often go missing in other games or just arrogantly think we can turn up and win. And then when we get behind in those games there isn’t the mentality to claw it back. There are so many examples it’s not worth highlighting them.

 

I also agree with the posters who highlight context. Context is key to understanding anything or any process in life, and no doubt we’ve had a rough season injury wise etc. It’s whether the downturn can be almost exclusively attributed to that which is ripe for debate.

Edited 22 February 2022 by Wasyls Pec Deck

[Dahnsouff]

3 minutes ago, Greg2607 said:

fair enough then, you see them as an absolute reason for our performance this season. I see them as a contributing factor which can't be viewed in isolation. everyone see's the world through a different lens.

 

For what it is worth, I see the soft tissue injuries as being caused by the club/manager.  Whether that be through poor training recovery methods, not listening to the data that shows players being in the red zone, lack of strength and conditioning or rushing players back too quick. 

 

of course, I have no specific evidence of this, i'm not at the club every day.  but something somewhere isn't right in our preparation. 

 You are putting words in my mouth, I never said the injuries are the sole reason for our poor season, but that they cannot be removed from a holistic discussion about this seasons woes. I am fairly sure that Brendan has not helped, as much of our staff must be culpable in part.

 

As much as I hate to use the trite trope, there really is no I in team.

[st albans fox]

We had a notable injury list during much of the period sept/oct/nov of 2020/21 season and performed exceptionally through that 

 

we also managed an EL group win (yes,easier group than this campaign) 

 

whilst the injuries this season are definitely a big factor in our ‘demise’, there is also the mental aspect. Rodgers has simply been unable to lift the players from the late disaster of finishing 5th again. That’s not an easy job having been successful in doing it last season. 
 

Whilst the players seem to have now lifted their performance levels, I wouldn’t be rushing to fire him - however, it could well be that the relationships across the club are irretrievably damaged and he will leave in the summer ….