Brendan Rodgers

[Reg Vardy]

8 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

There's been plenty and I mean PLENTY of flags of players being in the red zone and they still play and play, Rodgers has pretty much admitted it last season. Look at Vardy staying on whilst injured 2 games in a week vs Liverpool and ultimately being out for 3 months. Look at Justin out for a year and then bang, 3 starts in a week and now injured again.

 

There's a culture here that's exacerbating it and I can almost understand when there's 3 games a week constantly and such demand on a small squad but we're often picking up injuries between the press conference and the games themselves in training and its a real head scratcher.

 

Rodgers training is full on almost every session so that when it comes to the games the process is autonomous from the players but to what cost to their fitness? 

 

He's got to break the cycle to allow his squad to recover, he can't use the amount of games in recent months as an excuse because we had a very light schedule due to all the postponements. This season is pretty much done except for bits and pieces, simplify the training to protect them and see if that will help them. Its no coincidence the 2015/16 squad seldom got injuries and that was in large to Paul Balsom and Ranieri opting to stick with Pearson's methods of only training a few times a week and that was without the demands of 3 games a week for many weeks.

 

Whatever is happening he's got to change it up, otherwise its insanity and might as well get Mick Philpott out on day release to manage us. 

In the whole of the title winning season we played 43 games…tomorrows game will be the 36th of the season, and it’s February…..can see that might have something to do with an increase in injury problems…..

[4everfox]

30 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Maybe Top doesn't trust BR enough to give him the funds he wants. And who can blame him?

If that was true then why not just sack him? Or if that isn't an option, remove Rodgers' rights to have any input in transfer activity. If he doesn't like that, he can resign. 

[Tommy Fresh]

40 minutes ago, Reg Vardy said:

In the whole of the title winning season we played 43 games…tomorrows game will be the 36th of the season, and it’s February…..can see that might have something to do with an increase in injury problems…..

I don't remember us ever being this bad in the Championship for injuries. 

[Dusty]

59 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

He has never forgiven him for paying £30 million for Perez and giving him a near £4 million a year contract. 

Yeah that usually is in the programme notes

[SouthStandUpperTier]

32 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

If that was true then why not just sack him? Or if that isn't an option, remove Rodgers' rights to have any input in transfer activity. If he doesn't like that, he can resign. 

Well either option would be fine with me. Anyway, I think Congerton will be made the scapegoat for the dud transfers and BR will retain his input.

[FoxyLeon]

4 hours ago, Steve Earle said:

I’m sorry but it’s time this nonsense was exposed for what it is.

 

A couple of weeks ago, Jordan Blackwell made for me a hugely important point in the Merkreh. In two seasons (15/16 & 16/17) we played 85 games. By time time of his piece, before Forest, we’d played 83 in a season and a half, with a minimum of 20 more games to play.

 

This isn’t FM. This is real life. Players are not machines. Even the best can’t do it every game (Tielemans eg, but also Messi, Ronaldo etc). S**t happens.
 

Context is important. 

 

 

Context....

 

 

We have a squad with far greater depth than in those two seasons...We've even had to loan out a Belgium International and leave an AFCON winner unregistered.

 

 

Can you remember last season in the Europe League?

 

After being out for two months with a Groin injury, Soyuncu played for 15 minutes and had to be withdrawn with a groin injury.

The same game, Pereira who had just came back from a cruciate ligament injury with 9 months out, was injured before half time.

Now we've got Justin, another guy coming back from a very long cruciate ligament lay off...And again he's out with an issue from being overplayed.

Ndidi has suffered the same fate too in the past.

How many times in the past 2 years have Evans/Castagne been out for a few weeks, then immediately being set back when returning?

 

With your example of players 'Not being machines', you couldn't have used a worse example, as somehow, Youri is the exception to rule under Rodgers. He is constantly overplayed, but we've been very very lucky with him.

[hackneyfox]

10 minutes ago, FoxyLeon said:

 

 

Context....

 

 

We have a squad with far greater depth than in those two seasons...We've even had to loan out a Belgium International and leave an AFCON winner unregistered.

 

 

Can you remember last season in the Europe League?

 

After being out for two months with a Groin injury, Soyuncu played for 15 minutes and had to be withdrawn with a groin injury.

The same game, Pereira who had just came back from a cruciate ligament injury with 9 months out, was injured before half time.

Now we've got Justin, another guy coming back from a very long cruciate ligament lay off...And again he's out with an issue from being overplayed.

Ndidi has suffered the same fate too in the past.

How many times in the past 2 years have Evans/Castagne been out for a few weeks, then immediately being set back when returning?

 

With your example of players 'Not being machines', you couldn't have used a worse example, as somehow, Youri is the exception to rule under Rodgers. He is constantly overplayed, but we've been very very lucky with him.

We have so many playeres injured that those left (especially in defence) are all in the red.

If Rodgers brings back someone from injury to replace a player in the red he gets the blame should they get injured.

If he doesn't replace a player in the red and they get injured then he gets the blame.

[oxtonfox]

Rodgers said about the team that “we’ve been punching above our weight” (two fifth places etc.). I would say he’s also been punching above his weight as a manager. He is perhaps no better than a mid table manager despite being the fifth best remunerated. 

Therefore we shouldn’t be surprised about where we are. 

If we lose against Burnley and Leeds in the next two games I think he’ll be gone. Call for Big Sam anyone? 

[Ric Flair]

4 hours ago, filbertway said:

I agree with the fickle nature. I found it weird how many people flip flopped on a couple of results, I've been Rodgers out for a good 8-10 months 

 

I remember a time when @Ric Flair was aghast and shocked at me for being anti Rodgers, feels like years ago

 

Hahahaaa and yet I'm now seen as the most anti Rodgers fan there is on here. I gave the man a lot of time and patience but I've snapped.

[Ric Flair]

5 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Context is important but so is planning for the demands. Ever since Rodgers got here the intention was to compete across 4 competitions and he's achieved that with us qualifying for Europe twice on the spin and going far in domestic cup competitions. They've explained at length the need to I.prove the squad as opposed to the starting XI to better handle the demands of 4 competitions and not fall away like we did in 2 seasons in the league and yet we still can't cope with the demands placed on our squad.

 

We can only name 25 players in our squads, we signed better squad players to enable rotating. Those players it's highly debatable are better squad players and they've proven to either be unavailable or unreliable anyway but ultimately we are worse off the longer Rodgers is here and what's the answer? We'll not have European football to contend with but that's not a solution if that's our ambition and what happens if we get there again and he's still here? He couldn't handle it at Liverpool, Celtic or us. It's frustrating.

 

1 hour ago, Reg Vardy said:

In the whole of the title winning season we played 43 games…tomorrows game will be the 36th of the season, and it’s February…..can see that might have something to do with an increase in injury problems…..

 

[Muzzy_Larsson]

58 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Well either option would be fine with me. Anyway, I think Congerton will be made the scapegoat for the dud transfers and BR will retain his input.

It was Rodgers that brought the idiot in so he should be just as responsible.

[Webbo]

15 minutes ago, Muzzy_Larsson said:

It was Rodgers that brought the idiot in so he should be just as responsible.

Maybe I'm mis remembering, but I thought you were pro Rodgers when he first came here. It was the reason you joined the forum?

[Muzzy_Larsson]

11 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Maybe I'm mis remembering, but I thought you were pro Rodgers when he first came here. It was the reason you joined the forum?

I was but I think now things are deteriorating like they do at all his clubs pretty much in the third year. I just don't see him arresting the slide significantly and the thought of allowing him to be responsible for a rebuild fills me with fear.

 

I like to think I was always balanced in my appraisal of him on here, even though initially a lot of people wouldn't hear of his flaws and limitations. 

 

Rodgers gave me some of the best memories of my life supporting Celtic and I'll be forever grateful and overall he was an amazing manager for Celtic and I was gutted when he left. He does have some obvious flaws though, that don't seem to be disappearing and in a more competitive league, they are being highlighted to a greater degree.

 

I very much was, am and always will be anti-Congerton though, just for clarity.

Edited 23 February 2022 by Muzzy_Larsson

[Webbo]

2 minutes ago, Muzzy_Larsson said:

I was but I think now things are deteriorating like they do at all his clubs pretty much in the third year. I just don't see him arresting the slide significantly and the thought of allowing him to be responsible for a rebuild fills me with fear.

 

I like to think I was always balanced in my appraisal of him on here, even though initially a lot of people wouldn't hear of his flaws and limitations. 

 

Rodgers gave me some of the best memories of my life supporting Celtic and I'll be forever grateful and overall he was an amazing manager for Celtic and I was gutted when he left. He does have some obvious flaws though, that don't seem to be disappearing and in a more competitive league, they are being highlighted to a greater degree.

 

I very much was, am and always will be anti-Congerton though, just for clarity.

I just find it odd that if he was that bad at Celtic, you didn't realise it till now?

[Muzzy_Larsson]

13 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I just find it odd that if he was that bad at Celtic, you didn't realise it till now?

He wasn't bad at Celtic, of course he wasn't, I just told you he gave me some of the best memories I've ever had as a fan. It's important to be balanced though, domestically he was phenomenal, I doubt any Celtic manager will ever even compare to the success he achieved domestically with us. He developed what were a bunch of mediocre players prior to his arrival in to world beaters in Scottish terms, brought young players on immensely too. The bad bits were Europe and recruitment, so much so that when he left he was still relying on the same core of players that were already at the club when he came in, despite spending a lot on transfers in Scottish terms, remind you of another situation at another club?

 

For a host of reasons it's also far easier to dominate domestically with Celtic than keep Leicester in the upper echelons of the premier league so obviously the spotlight will shine more brightly on him at Leicester in terms of his flaws.

 

My opinion on his time at Celtic is and can be very different to that of how he has performed at Leicester, don't see what is odd about that.

 

I said all these same things, good and bad when he was appointed Leicester manager on here at the time, about him and specifically about Congerton only to be shot down in most cases. As @Ric Flair pointed out the other day pretty much most of what I said about Rodgers back then, both good and bad regarding his spell at Celtic has worked out in very similar ways at Leicester also.

Edited 23 February 2022 by Muzzy_Larsson

[sacreblueits442]

26 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Maybe I'm mis remembering, but I thought you were pro Rodgers when he first came here. It was the reason you joined the forum?

....just out of curiosity I thought I would take a look!!!

 

Posted 7 March 2019 (edited)

Have been looking at this forum with interest over the last couple of weeks as I'm a Celtic fan and wanted to gauge how Rodgers would be received.

 

I have no axe to grind with Leicester although I must say there's a bitter taste in the mouth with Rodgers directly, not because he left, but how he left and how his actions were very different to what he professed.

 

Anyhow all that aside and leaving personal feelings out of I've seen a lot of playground stuff on this thread, my Dad is bigger than yours type stuff among Leicester and Celtic fans so thought I'd give an honest appraisal of Rodgers during his time at Celtic as a feeler of what's in store for you.

 

The guy is a top class coach, one of the very best, of that there is no doubt, what you will most definitely get with him is he'll bring on the players you already have, particularly the younger ones leaps and bounds, he's done that ad infinitum with our squad.

 

The flip-side of that would be his identification and acquisition of new players to come in and enhance the squad.  He falls pretty short here in my opinion in that most of the signings he's made in his time here have been poor bar 2 or 3.  The side he has left us with is undoubtedly better than the one he inherited but that is 99% down to his ability as a coach in developing players, not his transfer business, as the majority of the side was players he inherited.  His record in this regard was also poor at Liverpool, particularly when he had the Suarez money so I'd beware on this front.  This makes it even more critical he doesn't bring his charlatan of a crony Congerton with him who is a disaster.  I get the impression if you could keep Rodgers on a leash in terms of transfers under a good DOF/HOR this may be less of a risk.

 

In terms of his style/philosophy it is great to watch when it works and I've witnessed some excellent performances and very memorable moments during his two and a half years.  The other side of this is that he's very stubborn in his philosophy and sometimes to his detriment.  For example in Europe he insisted on playing the elite sides at their own game and we got a sore face more than once and we ended up with record home and away defeats under him.  I get the argument that we can't compete with these teams but we've had managers in recent times who have had a lot less to spend and performed a whole lot better in Europe.  All in all his record in Europe with us was pretty poor, as it was with Liverpool.  The reason I say this you may end up on the receiving end of a few doings off the big boys at home and abroad due to his stubborness in this regard as he insists on playing too expansively against teams who are a lot stronger.

 

Off the field he was like a breath of fresh air initially, however as time goes on you get the feeling he says too much and as such contradicts himself which lands him in trouble with the media and fans and he doesn't like then being questioned on it.  I think a large part of this is that he undoubtedly has a bit of an ego and feels he can just say what he likes at times, prepare for a lot of cliches and quotes in that regard lol!

 

One thing I'm going to find interesting watching from afar is that I've read one of the reasons Puel was bagged was the slow build up play and not getting the ball forward quickly enough to play to Vardy's strengths.  I'm not sure how true a reflection that is but if true Rodgers style isn't too much different, prepare for a lot of sidweays passing and backwards passing at times when things aren't clicking 100%.  He also seems to like big physical, mobile strikers who play well with their back to goal (e.g. Dembele) so will be interested to see how he uses/fits in Vardy.

 

As said no agenda tried to give an honest and balanced  opinion based on watching his team week in week out for 2.5 years.  If everything works out it will go brilliantly and you'll be watching great football every week, I get the feeling however if it doesn't there'll be no middle ground.

Edited 7 March 2019 by henrik_62

[Muzzy_Larsson]

3 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....just out of curiosity I thought I would take a look!!!

 

Posted 7 March 2019 (edited)

Have been looking at this forum with interest over the last couple of weeks as I'm a Celtic fan and wanted to gauge how Rodgers would be received.

 

I have no axe to grind with Leicester although I must say there's a bitter taste in the mouth with Rodgers directly, not because he left, but how he left and how his actions were very different to what he professed.

 

Anyhow all that aside and leaving personal feelings out of I've seen a lot of playground stuff on this thread, my Dad is bigger than yours type stuff among Leicester and Celtic fans so thought I'd give an honest appraisal of Rodgers during his time at Celtic as a feeler of what's in store for you.

 

The guy is a top class coach, one of the very best, of that there is no doubt, what you will most definitely get with him is he'll bring on the players you already have, particularly the younger ones leaps and bounds, he's done that ad infinitum with our squad.

 

The flip-side of that would be his identification and acquisition of new players to come in and enhance the squad.  He falls pretty short here in my opinion in that most of the signings he's made in his time here have been poor bar 2 or 3.  The side he has left us with is undoubtedly better than the one he inherited but that is 99% down to his ability as a coach in developing players, not his transfer business, as the majority of the side was players he inherited.  His record in this regard was also poor at Liverpool, particularly when he had the Suarez money so I'd beware on this front.  This makes it even more critical he doesn't bring his charlatan of a crony Congerton with him who is a disaster.  I get the impression if you could keep Rodgers on a leash in terms of transfers under a good DOF/HOR this may be less of a risk.

 

In terms of his style/philosophy it is great to watch when it works and I've witnessed some excellent performances and very memorable moments during his two and a half years.  The other side of this is that he's very stubborn in his philosophy and sometimes to his detriment.  For example in Europe he insisted on playing the elite sides at their own game and we got a sore face more than once and we ended up with record home and away defeats under him.  I get the argument that we can't compete with these teams but we've had managers in recent times who have had a lot less to spend and performed a whole lot better in Europe.  All in all his record in Europe with us was pretty poor, as it was with Liverpool.  The reason I say this you may end up on the receiving end of a few doings off the big boys at home and abroad due to his stubborness in this regard as he insists on playing too expansively against teams who are a lot stronger.

 

Off the field he was like a breath of fresh air initially, however as time goes on you get the feeling he says too much and as such contradicts himself which lands him in trouble with the media and fans and he doesn't like then being questioned on it.  I think a large part of this is that he undoubtedly has a bit of an ego and feels he can just say what he likes at times, prepare for a lot of cliches and quotes in that regard lol!

 

One thing I'm going to find interesting watching from afar is that I've read one of the reasons Puel was bagged was the slow build up play and not getting the ball forward quickly enough to play to Vardy's strengths.  I'm not sure how true a reflection that is but if true Rodgers style isn't too much different, prepare for a lot of sidweays passing and backwards passing at times when things aren't clicking 100%.  He also seems to like big physical, mobile strikers who play well with their back to goal (e.g. Dembele) so will be interested to see how he uses/fits in Vardy.

 

As said no agenda tried to give an honest and balanced  opinion based on watching his team week in week out for 2.5 years.  If everything works out it will go brilliantly and you'll be watching great football every week, I get the feeling however if it doesn't there'll be no middle ground.

Edited 7 March 2019 by henrik_62

Thank you

 

Wouldn't change a single bit of what I wrote there tbh.

 

That was my first ever post on this forum btw, how time flies  

Edited 23 February 2022 by Muzzy_Larsson

[Webbo]

7 minutes ago, Muzzy_Larsson said:

He wasn't bad at Celtic, of course he wasn't, I just told you he gave me some of the best memories I've ever had as a fan. It's important to be balanced though, domestically he was phenomenal, I doubt any Celtic manager will ever even compare to the success he achieved domestically with us. He developed what were a bunch of mediocre players prior to his arrival in to world beaters in Scottish terms, brought young players on immensely too. The bad bits were Europe and recruitment, so much so that when he left he was still relying on the same core of players that were already at the club when he came in, despite spending a lot on transfers in Scottish terms, remind you of another situation at another club?

 

For a host of reasons it's also far easier to dominate domestically with Celtic than keep Leicester in the upper echelons of the premier league so obviously the spotlight will shine more brightly on him at Leicester in terms of his flaws.

 

My opinion on his time at Celtic is and can be very different to that of how he has performed at Leicester, don't see what is odd about that.

 

I said all these same things, good and bad when he was appointed Leicester manager on here at the time, about him and specifically about Congerton only to be shot down in most cases. As @Ric Flair pointed out the other day pretty much most of what I said about Rodgers back then, both good and bad regarding his spell at Celtic has worked out in very similar ways at Leicester also.

I'm not having a go at you mate, I just think , like a lot of people you're making the facts fit the theory.

[Muzzy_Larsson]

Just now, Webbo said:

I'm not having a go at you mate, I just think , like a lot of people you're making the facts fit the theory.

Look at my first ever post on the forum, two weeks after he was appointed that @sacreblueits442 just posted, said all of the exact same things then.

[The Year Of The Fox]

9 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....just out of curiosity I thought I would take a look!!!

 

Posted 7 March 2019 (edited)

Have been looking at this forum with interest over the last couple of weeks as I'm a Celtic fan and wanted to gauge how Rodgers would be received.

 

I have no axe to grind with Leicester although I must say there's a bitter taste in the mouth with Rodgers directly, not because he left, but how he left and how his actions were very different to what he professed.

 

Anyhow all that aside and leaving personal feelings out of I've seen a lot of playground stuff on this thread, my Dad is bigger than yours type stuff among Leicester and Celtic fans so thought I'd give an honest appraisal of Rodgers during his time at Celtic as a feeler of what's in store for you.

 

The guy is a top class coach, one of the very best, of that there is no doubt, what you will most definitely get with him is he'll bring on the players you already have, particularly the younger ones leaps and bounds, he's done that ad infinitum with our squad.

 

The flip-side of that would be his identification and acquisition of new players to come in and enhance the squad.  He falls pretty short here in my opinion in that most of the signings he's made in his time here have been poor bar 2 or 3.  The side he has left us with is undoubtedly better than the one he inherited but that is 99% down to his ability as a coach in developing players, not his transfer business, as the majority of the side was players he inherited.  His record in this regard was also poor at Liverpool, particularly when he had the Suarez money so I'd beware on this front.  This makes it even more critical he doesn't bring his charlatan of a crony Congerton with him who is a disaster.  I get the impression if you could keep Rodgers on a leash in terms of transfers under a good DOF/HOR this may be less of a risk.

 

In terms of his style/philosophy it is great to watch when it works and I've witnessed some excellent performances and very memorable moments during his two and a half years.  The other side of this is that he's very stubborn in his philosophy and sometimes to his detriment.  For example in Europe he insisted on playing the elite sides at their own game and we got a sore face more than once and we ended up with record home and away defeats under him.  I get the argument that we can't compete with these teams but we've had managers in recent times who have had a lot less to spend and performed a whole lot better in Europe.  All in all his record in Europe with us was pretty poor, as it was with Liverpool.  The reason I say this you may end up on the receiving end of a few doings off the big boys at home and abroad due to his stubborness in this regard as he insists on playing too expansively against teams who are a lot stronger.

 

Off the field he was like a breath of fresh air initially, however as time goes on you get the feeling he says too much and as such contradicts himself which lands him in trouble with the media and fans and he doesn't like then being questioned on it.  I think a large part of this is that he undoubtedly has a bit of an ego and feels he can just say what he likes at times, prepare for a lot of cliches and quotes in that regard lol!

 

One thing I'm going to find interesting watching from afar is that I've read one of the reasons Puel was bagged was the slow build up play and not getting the ball forward quickly enough to play to Vardy's strengths.  I'm not sure how true a reflection that is but if true Rodgers style isn't too much different, prepare for a lot of sidweays passing and backwards passing at times when things aren't clicking 100%.  He also seems to like big physical, mobile strikers who play well with their back to goal (e.g. Dembele) so will be interested to see how he uses/fits in Vardy.

 

As said no agenda tried to give an honest and balanced  opinion based on watching his team week in week out for 2.5 years.  If everything works out it will go brilliantly and you'll be watching great football every week, I get the feeling however if it doesn't there'll be no middle ground.

Edited 7 March 2019 by henrik_62

Wow

 

 

You got the lottery numbers please mate? 
 

😅

[Webbo]

4 minutes ago, Muzzy_Larsson said:

Look at my first ever post on the forum, two weeks after he was appointed that @sacreblueits442 just posted, said all of the exact same things then.

Do you think you can emphasise this point a bit more often?

Quote

The guy is a top class coach, one of the very best, of that there is no doubt, what you will most definitely get with him is he'll bring on the players you already have, particularly the younger ones leaps and bounds, he's done that ad infinitum with our squad.

 

[st albans fox]

Brendan is Brendan - no one is surely surprised by his character traits - they aren’t a secret

 

congerton - Celtic fans had their low opinion. I was told straight up by a sland fan I know that congers had to be on the take (allegedly)  - 

 

a summary of his business at sland 

 

https://www.wearewearside.com/article/2017/3/lee-congerton-s-sunderland-legacy-in-transfers

[Jon Bez]

1 hour ago, FoxyLeon said:

 

 

Context....

 

 

We have a squad with far greater depth than in those two seasons...We've even had to loan out a Belgium International and leave an AFCON winner unregistered.

 

 

Can you remember last season in the Europe League?

 

After being out for two months with a Groin injury, Soyuncu played for 15 minutes and had to be withdrawn with a groin injury.

The same game, Pereira who had just came back from a cruciate ligament injury with 9 months out, was injured before half time.

Now we've got Justin, another guy coming back from a very long cruciate ligament lay off...And again he's out with an issue from being overplayed.

Ndidi has suffered the same fate too in the past.

How many times in the past 2 years have Evans/Castagne been out for a few weeks, then immediately being set back when returning?

 

With your example of players 'Not being machines', you couldn't have used a worse example, as somehow, Youri is the exception to rule under Rodgers. He is constantly overplayed, but we've been very very lucky with him.

Do you know for sure that Justin was recently injured from being overplayed, or whether it was just a coincidence? 

[Muzzy_Larsson]

7 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Do you think you can emphasise this point a bit more often?

 

He is a top class coach imo, but it's subjective and not a very evidenced backed thing to counter when things are now turning to sh!t a fair bit under him now.

 

It feels like the whole debate, on both sides in some instances is all getting a bit personal. It's fine to praise him when things are going well, as many have done, but when things turn to sh!t he's up there to be shot at, that's how it works in football, it's fickle and ruthless.

[sacreblueits442]

9 minutes ago, Jon Bez said:

Do you know for sure that Justin was recently injured from being overplayed, or whether it was just a coincidence? 

....a lot of coincidences at this club!!!