Popular Post The Doctor Posted 20 April 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 20 April 2022 15 minutes in and their crowd was already starting to turn on them, only noise from the Everton end was abuse and groans. Go for the jugular there and they crumble, you win by 4 or 5. Instead from about half an hour in he had us retreating back and just trying to "control the game", ironically ceding all control and tempo to Everton. Not a surprise that they scored, just that they took so long to do it, and that all stems from his shite tactics. Genuinely starting to think that the collapses at the end of the last two seasons got him spooked, and now he's trying so hard to avoid defeats like the Spurs game on the final day last season, or Bournemouth in 19/20, that he demands no risks be taken, but it just doesn't work and gives up so much momentum that the collapses are inevitable. Losing out to a 90th minute goal should be something that happens maybe once a season, we've done it twice in 4 days and both times it's been no less than we deserved. Something is very very wrong with the mentality around the club and that comes from the manager. Sort it out sharpish or **** off. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SixtiesFox Posted 20 April 2022 Share Posted 20 April 2022 How can a team that is in total control of the game for the first fifteen minutes who've gone a goal up against a team totally devoid of confidence with a crowd that was audibly turning on them fail to win that game? Instead of tasting blood and going for the jugular we slowly took our foot off the gas and retreated. Everton, shocking as they were, slowly gained in confidence, got the crowd back on side and because they were still, albeit barely, in the game, finally got a late equalizer. Bad luck? Player mentality? Or is it something to do with a flaw in the makeup of the coach? Liverpool were 2 - 0 up against Man U the previous night and early in the second half took their foot slightly off the gas, allowing a poor United side to get a tiny foothold in the game. Within a couple of minutes Klopp was apoplectic on the sideline and normal service was quickly resumed leading to a ridiculously comfortable 4 - 0 victory. I'm not comparing us to Liverpool, but the chasm in class between us and Everton, as demonstrated in the first 15 minutes of the game, was not dissimilar to the gap between Liverpool and Man U the previous night. We have now blown 26 points from winning positions and in 4 games since Christmas we've blown at least 9 points in injury time alone. This can't just be brushed off as bad luck or even bad defending. If you don't put teams away when you have the chance and meekly surrender the initiative you will always leave yourself vulnerable and teams will take advantage and come from behind. In my opinion, Rodgers is cautious to a fault. He tends to focus too much on trying to hang onto what he's got rather than trying to put teams away. The stats support this flaw as do our failures to make the CL and our failures in the Europa League. Take a close look and a clear pattern emerges with Rodgers. He also failed to get Liverpool over the line before being moved on. His defenders will make excuses like 'injuries', he did it in Scotland (when Celtic were the only team in it) and of course our FA Cup final victory. Although I rate the latter as the best moment in my 60 odd years of supporting the club, if you view the game back the same cautious game plan was employed once we took the lead and we got away with it...just! Rodgers has some fabulous qualities as a coach and he must take enormous credit for getting us into winning positions both in games, in league position and in European and domestic cup competitions but what I see as his fatal flaw will lead to us continuing to fall short with annoying regularity. If Rodgers doesn't address it the directors of our club will have a very tough decision to make. The result of our Conference League campaign will certainly sharpen the minds of those who will have to make the big decisions about how best to take our club to the next level. I do believe we are close but seriously fear that Rodgers might just be the nearly man. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 3 hours ago, Aus Fox said: We are, in my opinion a Neil Lennon, type winner in the middle of the park away from challenging the top 4. …And then one injury away from repeating this season and demonstrating once again how Rodgers has failed to add any quality and depth to the squad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest454545 Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 4 hours ago, The Year Of The Fox said: Given his track record of cottoning on to things that the fans have been calling for ages, we’ve another 6 months of 1 up front before his penny drops He's been a one-up-front manager almost entirely since Swansea. The only exception seems to be that season with Liverpool with Suarez and Sturridge up front for them. But Danny Graham at Swansea, Benteke at Liverpool, Dembele and Edouard for us, and Vardy/Iheanacho/Daka for yous. He'll always play with a central striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royston. Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 He is out of idea's but will get the summer budget to fcuk around with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 2 hours ago, Guest454545 said: He's been a one-up-front manager almost entirely since Swansea. The only exception seems to be that season with Liverpool with Suarez and Sturridge up front for them. But Danny Graham at Swansea, Benteke at Liverpool, Dembele and Edouard for us, and Vardy/Iheanacho/Daka for yous. He'll always play with a central striker For better or for worse His stubbornness of sticking with his football philosophy isn’t a good thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dan LCFC Posted 21 April 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 21 April 2022 7 hours ago, EastAnglianFox said: Ah he loves the "young squad" line doesn't he Young squad FFS. What in gods name is he talking about? The XI that started tonights average age was 26.72. The average age of a Premier League squad is pretty much about this. He's talking shit. These are all such deflections and I'm sorry it just doesn't wash. Absolute waffle merchant. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest454545 Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 It would honestly be better if he went at this point. The players are still playing for him, but when you lose the supporters, your goose is cooked. He can't seem to do any right, judging by responses here. Whenever your European journey ends, that should be the last hurrah. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 (edited) See the toys are being thrown out the pram again. Rodgers has led us to two top 5 finishes, a league cup semi, a european cup semi and an fa cup in just over three years. Only once has he really had money to spend and he's had to sell maguire and chilwell in this time and we didn't replace like for like each time. Hes having a poor season but every manger has them. And a poor season is currently 9th and a european semi final despite playing for 2/3 of the season with fofana, Evans and vardy. There isn't anyone better who'd come to us and I genuinely fear a big decline if he leaves. He no doubt has faults but he's on for being our best ever manager. A decent window in the summer and shipping out some players that don't want to be here, along with no European football and I'm convinced we'll be flying next year. Edited 21 April 2022 by Chocolate Teapot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 As sure as night follows day, a toy barrage follows a defeat….. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheppyFox Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 Everton is such a difficult place to get points this season, isn’t it Brendan. Especially with a young and naive 27 year old squad. Sack the fool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 6 hours ago, filbertway said: Easier than having to finish above Spartak and Legia? The last edition of the 48 team Europa we had to finish above AEK and Zorya Luhansk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 It's dropping points so late on that's annoying, what is it 8 points dropped in added time against Newcastle, Everton, West Ham and Spurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilworthfox Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 38 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: As sure as night follows day, a toy barrage follows a defeat….. There's nothing to critique then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadno'r Cymoedd Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 42 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said: See the toys are being thrown out the pram again. Rodgers has led us to two top 5 finishes, a league cup semi, a european cup semi and an fa cup in just over three years. Only once has he really had money to spend and he's had to sell maguire and chilwell in this time and we didn't replace like for like each time. Hes having a poor season but every manger has them. And a poor season is currently 9th and a european semi final despite playing for 2/3 of the season with fofana, Evans and vardy. There isn't anyone better who'd come to us and I genuinely fear a big decline if he leaves. He no doubt has faults but he's on for being our best ever manager. A decent window in the summer and shipping out some players that don't want to be here, along with no European football and I'm convinced we'll be flying next year. OK Brendan. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: It's dropping points so late on that's annoying, what is it 8 points dropped in added time against Newcastle, Everton, West Ham and Spurs? Totally. Im not staunch Rodgers out, I think another appointment would be quite a risk as it would probably have to be a foreign coach with no PL experience. I have two issues with him. 1) He overthinks tactically 2) He fails to correct patterns - set pieces, late goals Getting concerned that we don’t create enough as well. We were scoring for fun at the start of the season regardless of the poor defence. We’ve clearly stopped committing so many men forward after Forest and it’s leading to us not creating many chances at all. Edited 21 April 2022 by Cardiff_Fox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said: See the toys are being thrown out the pram again. Rodgers has led us to two top 5 finishes, a league cup semi, a european cup semi and an fa cup in just over three years. Only once has he really had money to spend and he's had to sell maguire and chilwell in this time and we didn't replace like for like each time. Hes having a poor season but every manger has them. And a poor season is currently 9th and a european semi final despite playing for 2/3 of the season with fofana, Evans and vardy. There isn't anyone better who'd come to us and I genuinely fear a big decline if he leaves. He no doubt has faults but he's on for being our best ever manager. A decent window in the summer and shipping out some players that don't want to be here, along with no European football and I'm convinced we'll be flying next year. I'm so torn on him, I was very much Rodgers Out back in Jan/Feb as I couldn't get away from the major concerns about the long term, never mind how badly we were doing. There were reasons for that, which I accept and he has made some changes to try and improve other areas of underperformance this season. The crux of it is, can he keep a squad fit? We've seen how inconsistent we are with a torrent of injuries and of course that's inevitable but if that's the likely state of play under Rodgers then at some point we would have to consider the long term health of the club, we cannot afford to waste this squad and the momentum built in the last 6-7 years. Momentum is everything, look at the 1st half of last season, we had many injuries to key players and we coped remarkably well, we were mocking the likes of Liverpool for daring to moan their issues were because of injuries, but inevitably a combination of your best players being out and a loss of confidence and its easy for a perceived crisis to kick in, we've certainly seen that at times this season. The other elephant in the room is recruitment, we so badly need a strong transfer window. We need at least 3 players that improve us, plus an injection that boosts the overall play of our current players. I look at the way we play and wince at the limited chances we create for our front three, it's all so laboured with too much lateral passing and allowing the opposition to get their banks of 4 in place. How many times a game do we have players running on past the defence and past the link man? Daka can't link play on his own and Iheanacho can but either his deficiencies are breaking down promising phases of play or the LW, RW and ACM aren't in sync with the passage of play to hurt teams. We've seen plenty of this with Vardy who is elite in his movement and link up play, its something Rodgers has failed to rectify and something that was very much part of his way of playing in the first half of his time here. He'll get the summer, I've prepared myself for that and I can see why as he's too much credit in the bank for a club like the way ours is ran to be ready for a change. The only reason he's not here for the rebuild is if he thinks it's time to move himself and the right sort of club for him comes knocking but I don't see it happening. If we get past Roma and get that ECL in the bag then he deserves way more recognition from us than he's got this season, we have thrown so many results away this season in the league and given our past misdemeanours the bottling tag is hard to shake off but get another trophy after a route of games vs teams that are all about as good as us would be excellent and more than enough evidence to suggest there is progression from both the manager and the players at winning things. We've got to improve the amount of goals we score, defensively the improvements come by keeping our defence fit and the team working hard off the ball as a unit, we've seen signs of that recently but not in front of goal, it's been very scratchy for months. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 4 minutes ago, Kilworthfox said: There's nothing to critique then? No of course not! Brendan was delighted with the performance so obviously we have to lap it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dames Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 6 minutes ago, Kilworthfox said: There's nothing to critique then? Nope. Never allowed to say anything negative about Saint Brendan ever. Its always the players fault. The Amartey sub? Stroke of genius. It was the players that messed it up clearly… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpenden Fox Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 58 minutes ago, Guest454545 said: It would honestly be better if he went at this point. The players are still playing for him, but when you lose the supporters, your goose is cooked. He can't seem to do any right, judging by responses here. Whenever your European journey ends, that should be the last hurrah. Foxestalk is not representative of the fanbase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilworthfox Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 3 minutes ago, Harpenden Fox said: Foxestalk is not representative of the fanbase Do you have a better guage for the fans feelings & opinions to make that statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 16 minutes ago, Kilworthfox said: There's nothing to critique then? Of course, not everything though as this reaction demonstrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpenden Fox Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 1 minute ago, Kilworthfox said: Do you have a better guage for the fans feelings & opinions to make that statement? Match day. There is no hint of rebellion, although granted it was close until we equalised against West Ham earlier this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 Just now, Harpenden Fox said: Match day. There is no hint of rebellion, although granted it was close until we equalised against West Ham earlier this year. Match day at Napoli away, Rodgers was booed off the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTY_FOX Posted 21 April 2022 Share Posted 21 April 2022 The problem is it's just the same thing over and over and over again. I hope he can change because ultimately if he's doing great so are we. But we're looking at 2 years of the same problem. He'll be done over by Mourinho. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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