Brendan Rodgers

[FoxInTheBirstallBox]

8 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

What a stupid thing to post 

That's rich from you 

[majaco]

 BWe played a virtual second 11 today against an entitled 6 first team.  We have a semi-final on Thursday. 

 

Today adds little to any Rodgers discussion.

 

Anyone demanding him out currently seems to be offering a limited view.   He is the first manager to lead us to a European semi-final following being the first.manager to lead us to the FA Cup.

 

Rodgers has weaknesses but he, unless he decides otherwise,  will lead us into next season.

[smudgerfox]

Brendan has pursued a high risk strategy in recent weeks - as I said when he embarked on it. He’s sacrificing league position - and given the form of Wolves and West Ham  - a position in Europe potentially, in favour of securing a EL place via winning  the EL conference. To make that gamble a justifiable one he needs to beat Roma on Thursday and then win the final. Without that it will all have been for nothing. The last minute defeat to Newcastle, the last minute draw with Everton , the tepid draw with villa and the half/hearted defeat to Sperz. 
 

 

 

[winteriscoming]

1 hour ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Or a bigger club come in for him. Thats very unlikely though. 

Only spurs or Arsenal will come in for him. Both are unlikely. 

[BenTheFox]

5 hours ago, Webbo said:

Really? We played the second team, for obvious reasons and you're using the fact we didn't win as a stick to beat Rodgers with? You've got to be desperate for validation to try that. 

I was thinking the same thing reading some of the comments. Rodgers can be very frustrating, but what happened today was not a stick to beat him with. 

 

Admittedly I was left feeling somewhat disappointed because I felt that Tottenham were actually very ordinary. 

[BenTheFox]

23 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

Only spurs or Arsenal will come in for him. Both are unlikely. 

Around a year ago there were suggestions of him being off to Man City when Guardiola leaves. I always had doubts about that being true and I certainly can't see it happening now. 

[Dames]

6 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

I was thinking the same thing reading some of the comments. Rodgers can be very frustrating, but what happened today was not a stick to beat him with. 

 

Admittedly I was left feeling somewhat disappointed because I felt that Tottenham were actually very ordinary. 

Its not a stick to beat him with yet…

 

That being said, he’s let our league form and position slip by playing the reserves to focus on Europe which isn’t a bad thing but at the same time if we timidly crash out on Thursday these decisions will come back to bite him. 
 

I don’t expect a win on Thursday but the bare minimum is we have to be competitive. A performance like today and he will be under real pressure.

[winteriscoming]

5 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

Around a year ago there were suggestions of him being off to Man City when Guardiola leaves. I always had doubts about that being true and I certainly can't see it happening now. 

No way Man City go for him. Nagelsmann will be be next in charge after pep. 

[Ric Flair]

I think we can all agree whether you are still fully supportive of Rodgers or had enough and want a change that we have no real idea of what happens next season. Further regression seems plausible given it now stretches over a year in the league but then again he could turn it around if we have a solid transfer window and do manage the fitness of the squad better which i'm seeing some early positive signs of.

 

I've come full circle in my opinion on Rodgers and my stance now is that he still will have more than enough credit in the bank with Top and the board and for all his faults I still appreciate plenty of good things he brings.

 

We have to improve though, there's no hiding away from it. Whether it's a rebuild or refresh or reset or whatever you want to call it, it has to happen as he's lost his magic here with this current group. Momentum is everything in football, how he goes about finding that again is complex but he has to focus on what the nucleus of this squad is good at which is high energy, on the front foot fast football. If he genuinely thinks the games this season where we've had the majority of the possession but barely created anything and either lost or drawn is things being on track then this horse manure will be his downfall eventually.

 

He's not a manager who will revel in us having 35% possession but if teams are consistently having less possession than us and yet creating more then he has to swallow his pride and understand why that might be. If teams have more shots and score more then perceived control of a game goes out the window and he's tried to hide behind that old toss plenty of times this season and his card is marked.

 

I don't like our lack of movement this season in the attacking 3rd, whether it's the players without the ball not doing enough to overload and create space or we've fannied about on the ball so much being scared to risk anything until there's the 2 banks of 4 back against us and then we have absolutely no way through but we've had too many games this season where its so workmanlike. We barely press in games either, when we do like vs Palace at home we are electric but in reality teams know that if they press us then we won't press them and we also will play ourselves in to trouble and then it's an uphill battle for us. I've seen us playing in Europe the last 2 years is now the reason we cannot maintain a high pressing style when we play, if that's the case fine, but don't play a system that means we cannot cope with being pressed either as it's the worst of both worlds.

 

It's really no coincidence that the team we've had the most joy against in the last year or more are the team who are notoriously the worst team at pressing - Manchester Utd. 

 

Our away form is a genuine disgrace, it's relegation standard. Even during this perceived improved spell from February to early April we've only won once in the league away and a couple of draws, it's abysmal and thankfully our home form has been largely excellent since Nov/Dec as we'd be in a spot of bother. Weve won 3 times away all season and 2 of those are against Norwich and Burnley and the other Brentford, shocking. Injuries can no longer be used as an excuse for this either given at home we've managed to still pick up results.

 

Set pieces, again an absolute horror show. It isnt acceptable to simply say its because Fofana hadnt been playing. It can't be a lack of ability to defend or head the ball, it's a lack of aggression and desire and confidence no doubt. But make no mistake its got to be sorted and it remains a massive blot on Rodgers copybook and again will be his downfall if he doesn't act. I'll be annoyed if we don't recruit a specialist set piece coach, it's stubbornness and if we don't and we don't improve then he has absolutely no excuse and will have to take the blame.

 

I'm actually not as concerned about the recruitment as I perhaps previously said, reason being is I do think it'll be much more of a collective process than perhaps it has been under Rodgers compared to previous and therefore if we still don't get it right then that's not all on Rodgers and it might not actually improve if he does go without serious root cause analysis and a shake up of process so with that in mind I think it's the least of our worries with Rodgers next chapter here.

 

There is still so much to play for this season, regardless of Thursday these last 5 league games become very very important for clinging on to some pride and dignity from the season and proving that they are worth persevering with going forward. Our best or 2nd best manager in our history, whichever way you want to dub him is way way down on the standards he has set and the salary he commands so the pressure is on and I really hope he finds his midas touch again as there's a lot at stake here given our ambitions and the pitfalls of failing to achieve them.

[Guest Col city fan]

56 minutes ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said:

That's rich from you 

Stop kissing Brendans arris and actually discuss something. You might find it refreshing

Though on here that’s possibly expecting too much 

Edited 1 May 2022 by Col city fan

[SouthStandUpperTier]

Can't see one of the PL 'big six' coming in for Brendan now. Maybe Brendan's next gig will be abroad. Doesn't he speak more languages than C3-PO?

[Guest Col city fan]

2 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Can't see one of the PL 'big six' coming in for Brendan now. Maybe Brendan's next gig will be abroad. Doesn't he speak more languages than C3-PO?

I think if they were going to recruit him, they’d have done so by now. I believe the ‘big clubs’ know that Rodgers has his limit. He’s definitely a tier down from elite manager. Like the rational City fans know, blowing the top four two seasons would worry the biggest clubs. 

Edited 1 May 2022 by Col city fan

[Ric Flair]

3 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Can't see one of the PL 'big six' coming in for Brendan now. Maybe Brendan's next gig will be abroad. Doesn't he speak more languages than C3-PO?

No club abroad is paying a year or more of his salary in compensation to release him, the only way something like that happens would be if we mutually agree its time we went our seperate ways and a club had come in for him.

[VictorFox]

Does anyone actually enjoy watching the football we play under him?

[SouthStandUpperTier]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

No club abroad is paying a year or more of his salary in compensation to release him, the only way something like that happens would be if we mutually agree its time we went our seperate ways and a club had come in for him.

Yeah, that's what I meant - when either we go our separate ways or his contract expires - I think his next job could very likely be abroad.

[Ric Flair]

19 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Yeah, that's what I meant - when either we go our separate ways or his contract expires - I think his next job could very likely be abroad.

Contract not expiring until 2025 is a truly daunting prospect if things get really hairy.

[CosbehFox]

His next job won’t be abroad. Rodgers has moved back to the North West in the last six months because his wife and parents felt detached from their family. 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Contract not expiring until 2025 is a truly daunting prospect if things get really hairy.

We are pretty much stuck with each other at the moment. He's doing well enough not to be in danger of the chop, but not well enough to entice a big club to make a move for him.

Edited 1 May 2022 by SouthStandUpperTier

[cityfanlee23]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

This perhaps used to be an issue. But when did it last happen? Has he not shown some level of patience recently? Vardy, Fofana, Evans, Castagne, Justin all coming back in last few months and didn't play 90 mins first up to my memory. 

I mean if he has shown patience then great, afaik Justin got injured after being thrown back in for 90 but could be wrong, in terms of the last injury crisis before this season, it was last season. 
Regardless of whether he learns from his mistake of throwing players back in too quick, he clearly isnt learning his lesson of not crippling every team he manages with injuries.

[Foxxed]

Football needs more loyalty. Keep

[sacreblueits442]

5 hours ago, BKLFox said:

But he says that so is that not on the players?

 

listen what gets me is that there is no rationale in the thinking, posters are saying we are not doing good enough and he is taking us one way…but what are they marking that on?
They are marking that against the 2x 5th place finishes right?..but what starting 11 got those 2x 5th place finishes.. bang… they are marking this season with our 2nd string against our 1st string, it’s chalk n cheese ffs the mere fact we know where we can be with our 1st string but “fans” would rather get rid despite being handcuffed this season just blows my mind…surely you see that? 
 

...the injuries this season are the major problem which we have had this season!!!

His tactical decisions and team choices along with the ongoing set piece problems, which he has previously been unable to address, has added to our sub par performances this season

. The same issues are still there with our squad almost back to a full compliment, and that could just be players coming, back not yet being up to speed. The players are a product of his coaching, all within their environment, and they lack the mental strength to stand up and be counted and easily drift out of games, they are mentally weak, very much a product of the environment that they find themselves.

[Deeg67]

6 hours ago, majaco said:

 BWe played a virtual second 11 today against an entitled 6 first team.  We have a semi-final on Thursday. 

 

Today adds little to any Rodgers discussion.

 

Anyone demanding him out currently seems to be offering a limited view.   He is the first manager to lead us to a European semi-final following being the first.manager to lead us to the FA Cup.

 

Rodgers has weaknesses but he, unless he decides otherwise,  will lead us into next season.

The only reason we’re in a Euro semi-final is because we choked out of a group we should have won comfortably or finished second in our sleep.

Edited 2 May 2022 by Deeg67

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

5 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

His next job won’t be abroad. Rodgers has moved back to the North West in the last six months because his wife and parents felt detached from their family. 

Burnley then. 

[Tommy Fresh]

6 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Contract not expiring until 2025 is a truly daunting prospect if things get really hairy.

You'd hope it's loaded with clauses, especially with the amount he's on and the length of it.

[turkish14]

9 hours ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said:

He also had a fully fit squad all season, which we haven't had the luxury of at any point this season. Let's see how good bright would be without 6 first team players for 3/4 of the season, they already dropped 6 positions with a full team and lost 6 on the bounce at one point.

 

But if you hate Brendan that much then that's your agenda. We are below where we should be but with a summer rework we'll be fine

As others have mentioned, it’s no coincidence at every club Brendan has been at, injuries are more extensive. 
 

Also even on the odd occasions when we have near to a fully fit squad. We have still been absolutely doggo. Most fans can see we are predictable, sideways passing with very little direct quick touch and move passing in and around the box.

 

plus the issue with defensive frailties.