Brendan Rodgers

[foxinsocks]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

It was actually said in the post I responded too, but anyway...

Please don`t think i am happy, how can we be, but we risk (are in the midst of) a witchunt.

Post title win, we had Claudio, Puel, and both were lambasted, this has nothing to do with the title win, and using it as a stick to be anyone now is bizarre,

 

The rhetoric that all we need is a manager and it will all be good is very odd, we desparately need to reenergise this squad, and just changing the manager may help, but the squad are also massively at fault.

Agree... it a very complex recipe.  However, what we can see here is the direction of travel...  a posession based style of football that has the dise effects of low intensity and stifling of creativity.  Yesterday datvthe usual 65% possession yet few chances.  Meanwhile, bredan diesbt endear himself to fans by failing to recognise the flaws in his own performance.   Does he or any of us think this ends well?

Yet, the key now for Top is to figure out the right manager and the right recipe. 

Imo... we need a manager who will get people around him to compensate for his own flaws.... we all have them.

[StanSP]

21 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

Accepted a job with a club that had recently won the Premier League, who were currently 12th and seriously underperforming.

 

Took them to 14th playing worse football, and told everyone that he was appointed to keep them in the league. 

Why have you totally eradicated what happened in between? 

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, TK95 said:

Actions speak louder than words 

Not really what I debating, but thanks. 

[Ric Flair]

7 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

I could say I asked first, but I will actually answer the question rather than wriggling out of it

 

3-4-3 looked like could be fine, we looked fine for a start

Two up top with Kel and Daka had hope, something it was good to see

 

Heads dropped when we couldn't score and they did

We lack backbone, seriously

It is SO lazy to blame all the woes on the manager

 

Plenty of players are poor this season, maybe its the manager

There's currently no system that looks good with the slow and laboured football we play. The only players that get the ball repeatedly with space are our centre halves and yet its like they've got webbed feet at times, Evans has a bad case of the shanks, every pass goes behind his defensive partners and adds further tepidness to our play.

 

We look so disjointed, we don't press high, having done so vs Palace it's then vanished once again and watch our positioning when we get the ball, we have our defence and then the midfield and attack all very close to one another which allows the opposition to fix their banks of 4 knowing that there's a good chance we'll pass ourselves in to boredom and the pressure will dissipate. 

 

I'm so sick of the lack of movement and energy, the players need to take a big slice of the criticism for this of course but it's systematic as well to how bad its got here and it falls on the manager who gets paid the benjamin's to keep his squad firing and relentless.

 

He needs to take responsibility an'all, stop with the bull shit sound bites and take a risk on his perfect persona and show some humbleness and vulnerability and admit he's under performed as a manager. Not a chance he thinks that though, unflinching in his mindset and vision of things, which is very fruitful when things are going well but when they aren't its a huge blindspot that I think will be what costs him.

[foxinsocks]

5 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Are these points (Except practising set pieces - wtf?) untrue? Or are we lambasting him because we don`t like these truths?

 

Oh, and this squad is only extremely talented through blue-tinted specs

I accept many of these truths... yet they have been truths for a few years now.   Why is ridgers ambushed by them?

[Finnaldo]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

Are these points (Except practising set pieces - wtf?) untrue? Or are we lambasting him because we don`t like these truths?

 

Oh, and this squad is only extremely talented through blue-tinted specs

I don’t know, is it fact he’s got a hand in transfers? Is it true he is known to have an intense training schedule, and that he sacked our previous physio, and our injury list has been woeful this season? Is it true that you’d expect this squad, now almost full strength, to not be looking at a 14th/15th place finish on current form? 

 

No I can’t provide hard proof that this is what happens in the changing rooms and training ground, I’m yet to bust out the wires and surveillance vans and bug his office, but I think at least what we can see with our eyes and know with common knowledge seems to be a manager whose grip on this club is truly and utterly worn.

[foxinsocks]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

There's currently no system that looks good with the slow and laboured football we play. The only players that get the ball repeatedly with space are our centre halves and yet its like they've got webbed feet at times, Evans has a bad case of the shanks, every pass goes behind his defensive partners and adds further tepidness to our play.

 

We look so disjointed, we don't press high, having done so vs Palace it's then vanished once again and watch our positioning when we get the ball, we have our defence and then the midfield and attack all very close to one another which allows the opposition to fix their banks of 4 knowing that there's a good chance we'll pass ourselves in to boredom and the pressure will dissipate. 

 

I'm so sick of the lack of movement and energy, the players need to take a big slice of the criticism for this of course but it's systematic as well to how bad its got here and it falls on the manager who gets paid the benjamin's to keep his squad firing and relentless.

 

He needs to take responsibility an'all, stop with the bull shit sound bites and take a risk on his perfect persona and show some humbleness and vulnerability and admit he's under performed as a manager. Not a chance he thinks that though, unflinching in his mindset and vision of things, which is very fruitful when things are going well but when they aren't its a huge blindspot that I think will be what costs him.

He is either crazy or has lost objectivity.  He need to have the self confidence to be honest with us... and with himself 

[FoxyJim1987]

57 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I was torn up until yesterday, having flip flopped from wanting him gone in Jan/Feb due to being sick and tired of the ignorance towards the set piece issue and injuries. However there was an improvement and I reflected that perhaps it was too early to call time on him given we had many games in hand and over a 3rd of the season left where with players returning we could end the season on the march instead of nosediving like we have been accustomed to. 

 

Yet here we are after no wins in 7, its beggars belief how our form has collapsed after those immense displays vs Palace and PSV. I genuinely thought we were tracking nicely and Vardy returning just seemed like the headlines had already been written.

 

Yet here we are, we've single handedly kept Everton in the Premier League and you'd not put it past us to not beat Norwich or Watford either. Let's not forget, the 5 league games we've just gone winless on were all below us and the absolute pits bar Spurs and I suppose Newcastle but its revolting and there's very little excuses.

 

As I said before the Everton game, we need to see 3-4 wins in these final games and a good amount of goals, Where's the pride and fight from this lot. Its very sad to see, let's hope they can rediscover it.

 

I admire weirdly those who still have unwavering support and faith in Rodgers but history suggests its nigh on impossible for him to get us back challenging the top 6, can't think of a manager in recent years at this level that's hit the heights we have (even with a sense of could have been much much better) and then spiralled 10+ places and dusted themselves down and turned it around. I don't think it'll happen, but I hope I'm wrong.

Absolutely brilliant post as always. Exactly how I'm feeling. I've gone from wanting to smash the TV when watching us away, to wanting to leave half an hour early at home games, to actually thinking we've turned a corner and it's only injuries which have kept us mid table. But it does seem a little bit like Rodgers and a lot of the players (Tielemans, Barnes especially) have totally lost their way. It still could twist and turn, we could win the last 4 games or 3 out of 4 ( we should do really) and finish 9th or 10th, and then on the face of it, a euro semi, and too half finish is not terrible.... But its the more the way we are playing. Pretty much zero chances created in 3 games v Roma Newcastle and Villa, beaten meekly by a very poor Everton team, it does look a bit bleak. If Norwich is not a fairly handsome win with lots of attacking he will feel the boos again, I have a feeling a lot of Season ticket holders might not even bother going.

[foxinsocks]

Just to say that those who boo would be better to chant rodgers out...

Or he will take this as a comment on the players and the performance rather than himself 

[majaco]

27 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Fair enough, but just as a counterpoint, what did he get wrong? No hyperbole please, what actual things did he get wrong?

When you look at his tenure, quite a lot.

 

The last two results have shifted my thinking.   Our premier league performance over the season has been pretty awful.  

 

Our set piece performance is indefensible. It's not just about time recently, it's about developing consistent good.prac5ice.   We've been consistently poor.

 

Rodgers has had three years to sort out a balanced side.    Refresh happens in transfer windows.  He has had 5 or 6.

 

Recruitment under Rodgers has been overall quite poor.  The team is generally made up of.players who were here before him.  Fofana is the only.Rodgers signing that I can think of that has been successful.

 

Rodgers' comments come after three years in charge.

 

 

[Finnaldo]

And yes the one players do need a good evaluation, but it’s hard to say if we need a rebuild or refresh with a manager as self-serving as Brendan. Get new eyes in before the end of the season so they can assess and get an idea for the summer.

[Mike Oxlong]

19 minutes ago, roblcfc84 said:

Specially on the day I think 3 at the back, playing KDH left-wing back etc…but the problems run far deeper. The team have been coached and instructed to play a possession game and build from the back. It’s become so ponderous that teams have time to get set and we simply can’t find a way through. 

 

15 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

This is not a fact, its an opinion, Brendan frequently bemoans our slow passing or maybe you think he is kidding?

 

Perhaps it’s that the team and players have been coached to play a fast, exciting,  attacking style of football but either don’t listen or don’t understand what they are being asked to do or just can’t be arsed 

[Ric Flair]

17 minutes ago, Guest454545 said:

Points dropped and recovered is a better indicator, as league placing can be tight on points and decided on goal difference etc. If you go by points dropped and recovered, then David Moyes at Everton got them into the Champions League, then dropped 11 points the following season, then recovered 8 points the season after that. Klopp at Liverpool win the league, then dropped 30 points the following season, and look on course to recover 20 points this season. 

 

Interestingly, West Ham look like they could drop 10 points on last season. Interestingly, the same thing happened for Moyes - gets a team into Europe, league form suffers the following year. Same thing happened to Leicester the year after you won the league. Without a big, equally talented squad, 4 competitions is a lot for anyone to deal with. Didn't O'Neill once say, or get criticized for, sacrificing European games and cup games  at Villa to make sure league form didn't suffer?

 

I think Rodgers should walk away here. It's getting too toxic, and managers can't come back from that. But it should be with the understanding that this season is not an out of ordinary season for clubs who don't have billions to spend on their squad and have to do things the old fashioned way, i.e. manage resources, when faced with an extra competition in the schedule. 

A season like this was coming of course it was, we have to be nigh on perfect for it not to be and even the most demanding of fans must recognise and begrudgingly accept that upon reflection (easier said than done when in the midst of the fury of repeated defeats and poor performances). However it runs a bit more than that this season, this latest nosedive after getting the majority of our squad back and looking to be tracking nicely, it's completely fallen apart against shocking opposition and often through inexplicable mistakes from set pieces, there's no excusing this huge issue we have. None whatsoever, it's catastrophic and I think all parties need to go their seperate ways.

 

No hard feelings, he's been brilliant for us and the exact time we needed him to be. I'll always appreciate the majority of his time here, the attacking football and mix of getting one final tune out of our veterans and bringing on some unpolished and inconsistent young players but it's now absolutely vulgar to witness. Shake hands on £5m and a years wages for all his staff and let's get on with it.

[21st Century Fox]

I think one of the concerns I have is we let some of our best players go (who possibly would jump at the chance to move away from Brendan's stale tactics) so that we're able to "rebuild". But those same players could well flourish under a new manager with different tactics and with the recruitment of new players under Brendan it's is far from guaranteed that the right players will be brought in to replace them.

 

This is possibly out biggest gamble since the 16/17 recruitment bonanza.

[Kilworthfox]

Finally I feel with the majority of fans, the tide of opinion has changed, from BR I'd great, to he's the problem.

 

Once that happens, I can't recall it ever reverting back. 

 

I would be suprised to see him here especially if the fans became vocal at Filbert Way. 

Edited 9 May 2022 by Kilworthfox

[foxfanazer]

Just now, Kilworthfox said:

Finally I feel with the majority of fans the tide of opinion has changed, from BR I'd great, to he's the problem.

 

Onve that happens, I can't recall it ever reverting back. 

 

I would be suprised to see him here especially if the fans became vocal at Filbert Way. 

that's a good one! 

[Guest Col city fan]

1 minute ago, 21st Century Fox said:

I think one of the concerns I have is we let some of our best players go (who possibly would jump at the chance to move away from Brendan's stale tactics) so that we're able to "rebuild". But those same players could well flourish under a new manager with different tactics and with the recruitment of new players under Brendan it's is far from guaranteed that the right players will be brought in to replace them.

 

This is possibly out biggest gamble since the 16/17 recruitment bonanza.

Great post 

There’s a clamour on here for offloading our best players, like Tielemans for instance. 
You’re right, he could regain form and look bothered if he was playing under a different manager.

That would leave some very average players and we’d have to trust Rodgers to make the right signings to replace them.

Which I don’t.

[roblcfc84]

34 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

This is not a fact, its an opinion, Brendan frequently bemoans our slow passing or maybe you think he is kidding?

So the alternative is that an entire squad of over 20 professional footballers are completely incapable of playing a different style? I’m not saying the players are blameless. But take corners and set-pieces - we’ve gone from zonal, to man marking, to a mix - that’s a management decision. I wouldn’t say Evans has ever had these problems at other clubs, as an example. Ricardo marking Abraham in the last game, that’s something you plan for and organise - what’s the excuse? 

[purpleronnie]

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BR: - We've gone from a team that was maybe happy to stay in the league, and now we're a team that's disappointed that we don't win a trophy

blimey.

[The Year Of The Fox]

4 minutes ago, 21st Century Fox said:

I think one of the concerns I have is we let some of our best players go (who possibly would jump at the chance to move away from Brendan's stale tactics) so that we're able to "rebuild". But those same players could well flourish under a new manager with different tactics and with the recruitment of new players under Brendan it's is far from guaranteed that the right players will be brought in to replace them.

 

This is possibly out biggest gamble since the 16/17 recruitment bonanza.

Exactly this 

[Kilworthfox]

2 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

that's a good one! 

Genuinely wasn't trying to be controversial 🙈😂

[Dahnsouff]

19 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

I don’t know, is it fact he’s got a hand in transfers? Is it true he is known to have an intense training schedule, and that he sacked our previous physio, and our injury list has been woeful this season? Is it true that you’d expect this squad, now almost full strength, to not be looking at a 14th/15th place finish on current form? 

 

No I can’t provide hard proof that this is what happens in the changing rooms and training ground, I’m yet to bust out the wires and surveillance vans and bug his office, but I think at least what we can see with our eyes and know with common knowledge seems to be a manager whose grip on this club is truly and utterly worn.

No, the outcome of this season even with the injuries situation is inexcusable, I make no bones about that

However, what to do about it, I am unsure of, as I am dismayed by team and individual performance this season.

 

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, roblcfc84 said:

So the alternative is that an entire squad of over 20 professional footballers are completely incapable of playing a different style? I’m not saying the players are blameless. But take corners and set-pieces - we’ve gone from zonal, to man marking, to a mix - that’s a management decision. I wouldn’t say Evans has ever had these problems at other clubs, as an example. Ricardo marking Abraham in the last game, that’s something you plan for and organise - what’s the excuse? 

Thats easy - Roma have many tall players, we don`t    (Abraham is not noted for headed goals, so suggest he should have been marked by Jonny or a taller player is just hindsight judgement.)

 

The point about zonal/man marking is a good one, I have no clue what he was doing there

 

[Hales]

It feels like he is throwing the players under the bus a bit, yes they need to absolutely take responsibility but so does he. All we hear from him is he will rebuild the squad, players will be out and now he basically called them all out after the game in the dressing room. He is saying all of this to the media. What about his responsibility or him admitting his mistakes too.  He isn't building the team up but constantly knocking them. Another example being his comments about them over achieving.  He has knocked the spark, confidence and fight out of them.

[StanSP]

Just now, Hales said:

It feels like he is throwing the players under the bus a bit, yes they need to absolutely take responsibility but so does he. All we hear from him is he will rebuild the squad, players will be out and now he basically called them all out after the game in the dressing room. He is saying all of this to the media. What about his responsibility or him admitting his mistakes too.  He isn't building the team up but constantly knocking them. Another example being his comments about them over achieving.  He has knocked the spark, confidence and fight out of them.

He accepted responsibility yesterday.