Brendan Rodgers

[The Horse's Mouth]

Surprised with how many have actually changed their mind 

[leicesterseddon]

37 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Yeah I think West Ham are slightly ahead of us, we tend to pull in more than the rest because of where we finish in the league, qualifying for Europe, getting to the knockout stages etc and winning things.

 

I think we're about £20-30m than a cluster of teams below us but it's obviously quite tight as our stadium capacity is average, and our commercial revenue taken quite a while to increase. Made recent significant gains on that though.

This table from Swiss Ramble suggests we had the 7th highest revenue in the league if you look at 2020/21 accounts.

 

However from memory, I believe a bigger share of our 19/20 broadcasting revenue had been carried over because of the end-date we used for our annual accounts that year (the one that ended late due to Covid). 

 

So yeah, it seems plausible that in a “normal” year we might have been lower - although worth noting the gap down to Wolves in 8th was still £32m.

 

We've obviously benefited from high league positions + being in Europe for a few seasons, but you are right that we’ve also grown commercial revenue quite nicely, having not really done so that much after the title win. Got to give the club some credit for that I suppose. 

 

 

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, leicesterseddon said:

This table from Swiss Ramble suggests we had the 7th highest revenue in the league if you look at 2020/21 accounts.

 

However from memory, I believe a bigger share of our 19/20 broadcasting revenue had been carried over because of the end-date we used for our annual accounts that year (the one that ended late due to Covid). 

 

So yeah, it seems plausible that in a “normal” year we might have been lower - although worth noting the gap down to Wolves in 8th was still £32m.

 

We've obviously benefited from high league positions + being in Europe for a few seasons, but you are right that we’ve also grown commercial revenue quite nicely, having not really done so that much after the title win. Got to give the club some credit for that I suppose. 

 

 

Yeah that sounds about right. Qualifying for Europe is a massive boost to us as well, even if its only an extra £15-20m it's actually a chunk of disposable income, where as we tend to push it to the maximum on the guaranteed income we get like the majority of the PL.

[jim5000]

The main problem this year has been the corners and the last minute capitulations.

 

If we can fix those two issues we could be 20-30 points better off next season without anything radical needing to take place.

[BenTheFox]

18 minutes ago, jim5000 said:

The main problem this year has been the corners and the last minute capitulations.

 

If we can fix those two issues we could be 20-30 points better off next season without anything radical needing to take place.

We can all see that. The debate comes from where you assign what portion of blame. 

[sacreblueits442]

57 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

I don't care if it embarrasses them, but they should make a big deal of appointing a recognised and respected set piece coach. 

.. no need to advertise the appointment, it only puts pressure on the appointee, as the expectations then becomes, that these issues, will never happen again!!!

  Every time we concede (as it is practically impossible to go through a whole season without doing so), the spotlight would be very much on him as to why he is failing to address the problem. 

  Get an expert in, by all means, take it out of Rodger's salary, as his inability to resolve the issue himself or along with his team, has caused this situation to manifest itself, and at present, we have no effective cure.

Edited 16 May 2022 by sacreblueits442
Spelling error.

[coolhandfox]

We could finish 8th and maybe finish 8 points behind West Ham with all the issues we have had this season tells you it wouldn't take much to be challenging for Europe again. 

 

I think we have missed the old heads of Morgan and Fuch around the place; it is easy to underestimate the impact of losing leaders in the dressing room.

 

Combining that with the uncertain future of Tielemans and Soyuncu has resulted in a decline in the performance of two key players. 

 

I think the set piece issues need to be addressed with the recruitment of a dedicated coach and a new CB and CM who are more physically dominant, and the return of Wilf will help. 

 

We can be right back up there if we can find the right CB, CM, and the much-needed RW. in the summer.   

[Supergray22]

2 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

.. no need to advertise the appointment, it only puts pressure on the appointee, as the expectations then becomes, that these issues, will never happen again!!!

  Every time we concede (as it is practically impossible to go through a whole season without doing so), the spotlight would be very much on him as to why he is failing to address the problem. 

  Get an expert in, by all means, take it out of Rodger's salary, as his inability to resolve the issue himself or along with his team, has caused this situation to manifest itself, and at present, we have no effective cure.

I totally agree with this and have been saying this for a couple of years. We do need to look at specialist coaches sports science phycology and  rehabilitation. Defending corners is probably top of the list. 
I don’t think it is up to us to say how this should be financed though. The blame is not on just one person when it comes to defending corners and set pieces although they will already have been hit hard by missed bonuses and other financial inducements. Again this should be on the priory actions in the short medium strategy overseen and driven by the board and actioned by the management. If the board feel that a person cannot deliver and have demonstrated this then they have to find someone who can. 

[Manwell Pablo]

4 hours ago, Kilworthfox said:

Or you can ignore facts, the last 2 games have been against teams who lose 2 out of 3 of their league games.

 

They are both, by a distance, the worst teams in the league. 

 

Making our terrible form look slightly more respectable. 

Doesn’t matter though does it, it’s a 38 game season, they’ve both been shite all season, and everyone has to play them twice 🤷‍♂️
 

They are games you expect to win but you still get people whinging when we drop points to top six teams which are games you don’t expect to win. Can’t have it both ways.

[fuchsntf]

15 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

It's going through a fairly mediocre phase albeit has excellence at the top. The fact we're now likely to finish 8th is a pretty bad reflection on this league but like I say, means Europe is still attainable.

I just Think ist a reflection of the reality, that so many fans refuse to grasp..Trying to make negative points on various seasons qualities...

Leagues season World Wide at various levels, including serious Local leagues have their " Nature of the beast"...

IMO there is no reason to pull down this years,last years etc,etc season..

 

We have seen some Great games, & drab games. Top 4 have delivered...midtable have delivered,even the strugglers.

3-5 clubs have struggle to put a consistent period of Good performances in. We have had for ourselves a bum season with some Turgid performances,

but again IMO, even when we didnt get the result, we had also some ( Not a lot ) Good entertaining moments.

In games where we could only laugh at our Set pieces folly, we played well, But fell short on that Clinical finishing ,putting pressure on our fringe player defence.

who on some the  same game days, had Good to excellent Mancini-moments, 5 minutes later calamity  Marty Feldman / Frank Spencer moments.

 

Its easy & convenient to send Off broadsides in a Lazy  oneway direction, because its the negative-fans done thing...

Well After all my years & Experience of Reading & listening to negative misgogs, trying to demean something or other,

since the 50s, I say ALL seasons have had their moments, there has Never been a period of all Top dimension football.

I Dont judge or Analyse Football periods or seasons just on my frustrations or ecstasies from my own club...

I Dont hate opponents, then Call it poor sport, just because those Top Teams Keep on winning...

Contrary to many I believe Burnley,NorwichSouthampton other past strugglers, Not unlike put own Not long ago last Play a different Survival Style of football...

Such crap & nonsense posted about anti-Football teams...

Burnley for example,when One doesn't Play the one-eyed bias fan,But

but keeps a balanced  neutral eye  on their struggle & highs have played Good spirited endeavoured football.

Something we ourselves were proud to sell...

 

Every season has brought those Teams who just have no answer in that level they slinked into, or find themselves...

Most of world-wide football is played under those covetted Top 1-8 places,or 1-4 positions

all carrying their own achievements & stories, with sports-natural-mitigating- Nature-of-the-beast periods & moments..

but no matter where & over  what countries I have watched football, has any season brought only top all found all round  superlatatives.

individual Teams yes, !!! but never, Never any single League season....leagues

You see..Football is simply football just delivering  season in season out its various leagues quirks & coincidences...

from Stadium-Rovers,Friar-Lane, through  Club America, Botofogo right up to Barcelona & L'pool League histories.

 

Plastics are plastics... they make their One truths...Now Football was never anything else but football...

it fits neatly into that era & Generation its  played out , no Bad reflections on playing standards...like ALL sports..I

 

Sermon for the day over..

Now back to my Meds & therapie, Nurses & Matron on warpath, But looking sexy as ever...

OUCH !!! that fking hurt..!

Edited 16 May 2022 by fuchsntf

[Kilworthfox]

41 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

Doesn’t matter though does it, it’s a 38 game season, they’ve both been shite all season, and everyone has to play them twice 🤷‍♂️
 

They are games you expect to win but you still get people whinging when we drop points to top six teams which are games you don’t expect to win. Can’t have it both ways.

We can all choose the facts that suit our agendas.

 

What has been on the pitch, overall this season, is a regression.

 

We have failed this season (my opinion), I can't see how BR will turn around this trend, given his alarming style of play, then subsequent interviews, which isn't working, but he can't see it, just my opinions of course, which a fair few on here share,

 

I appreciate that not all think that we are heading in the wrong direction, I hope they are right, and I am wrong, but my footballing spider senses, which 2 professional football clubs have paid me for in the past, inform me that we are going to be in the shit next season, given the information we have been offered this season. I am not happy about this at all! Hence my posts, criticising BR, as its a results business, and the results are poorer than we would have expected. Unless we all expected the mid table teams from last season to catch up with LCFC? 

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 hour ago, jim5000 said:

The main problem this year has been the corners and the last minute capitulations.

 

If we can fix those two issues we could be 20-30 points better off next season without anything radical needing to take place.

 

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

We could finish 8th and maybe finish 8 points behind West Ham with all the issues we have had this season tells you it wouldn't take much to be challenging for Europe again. 

 

I think we have missed the old heads of Morgan and Fuch around the place; it is easy to underestimate the impact of losing leaders in the dressing room.

 

Combining that with the uncertain future of Tielemans and Soyuncu has resulted in a decline in the performance of two key players. 

 

I think the set piece issues need to be addressed with the recruitment of a dedicated coach and a new CB and CM who are more physically dominant, and the return of Wilf will help. 

 

We can be right back up there if we can find the right CB, CM, and the much-needed RW. in the summer.   

We could quite easily be challenging for 6th next season, but nothing I've seen from Rodgers so far makes me believe he can sort this set piece issue. What is going to be the difference this summer compared to the last? We've had 2 seasons of being absolutely terrible at set pieces, yet it seems to be getting worse as time passes, rather than better.

 

Absolutely no way we'll be 30 points better off next season, but I'd like to think we could be 10-12 better off for sure, especially given we've still got 2 games left to play.

[Babylon]

19 minutes ago, Kilworthfox said:

We can all choose the facts that suit our agendas.

 

What has been on the pitch, overall this season, is a regression.

 

We have failed this season (my opinion), I can't see how BR will turn around this trend, given his alarming style of play, then subsequent interviews, which isn't working, but he can't see it, just my opinions of course, which a fair few on here share,

 

I appreciate that not all think that we are heading in the wrong direction, I hope they are right, and I am wrong, but my footballing spider senses, which 2 professional football clubs have paid me for in the past, inform me that we are going to be in the shit next season, given the information we have been offered this season. I am not happy about this at all! Hence my posts, criticising BR, as its a results business, and the results are poorer than we would have expected. Unless we all expected the mid table teams from last season to catch up with LCFC? 

Did you expect a great deal else? The season before we'd had one of our best league finishes ever and won an FA Cup for the first time in our history. Many a pundit would probably have pointed out the only way is down, for good season. We simply don't spend that much more than a bunch of other teams to cement us high up constantly, especially when so many players are out injured and with more games due to Europe.

 

I'm no Rodgers apologist, I've been highly critical of him, but if we finish 8th quite frankly that probably sits within the clubs acceptable targets at the start of the season, albeit the lower end. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Just now, Babylon said:

Did you expect a great deal else? The season before we'd had one of our best league finishes ever and won an FA Cup for the first time in our history. Many a pundit would probably have pointed out the only way is down, for good season. We simply don't spend that much more than a bunch of other teams to cement us high up constantly, especially when so many players are out injured and with more games due to Europe.

 

I'm no Rodgers apologist, I've been highly critical of him, but if we finish 8th quite frankly that probably sits within the clubs acceptable targets at the start of the season, albeit the lower end. 

Genuinely would have taken 8th and a european semi at the start of the season. 

 

Thought we'd finish 7th so it's not that far off.

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Kilworthfox said:

We can all choose the facts that suit our agendas.

 

 

I don’t think there can be any more confirming fact than where teams finish after 38 games and played everyone twice. 
 

Peoples opinions whether this season is a regression or not are defined if you think the last two season were gross overachievement or not. 
 

I happen to think we’ve slightly regressed. Not by much but a touch. Rodgers is being held to an expectation that he’s largely built. 

Edited 16 May 2022 by Cardiff_Fox

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Supergray22 said:

I totally agree with this and have been saying this for a couple of years. We do need to look at specialist coaches sports science phycology and  rehabilitation. Defending corners is probably top of the list. 
I don’t think it is up to us to say how this should be financed though. The blame is not on just one person when it comes to defending corners and set pieces although they will already have been hit hard by missed bonuses and other financial inducements. Again this should be on the priory actions in the short medium strategy overseen and driven by the board and actioned by the management. If the board feel that a person cannot deliver and have demonstrated this then they have to find someone who can. 

...just for example, if you are unable to fully do your current job and consistently being reminded and warned of this, should your company employ someone to work alongside of you, to cover your deficiency, or employ  someone who can do your role without incurring the added expense!!!

  At this moment, I believe the company is giving him a lot of help and taken responsibilities away from him, so he concentrates solely on one area of the club. 

  No point in the club buying an expensive guard dog, and then having to bark themselves. 

[whoareyaaa]

1 hour ago, Supergray22 said:

I totally agree with this and have been saying this for a couple of years. We do need to look at specialist coaches sports science phycology and  rehabilitation. Defending corners is probably top of the list. 
I don’t think it is up to us to say how this should be financed though. The blame is not on just one person when it comes to defending corners and set pieces although they will already have been hit hard by missed bonuses and other financial inducements. Again this should be on the priory actions in the short medium strategy overseen and driven by the board and actioned by the management. If the board feel that a person cannot deliver and have demonstrated this then they have to find someone who can. 

I think the whole team goes into melt down when we face a corner and that leads to mistakes and errors leading to the goals we are seeing.

 

I think having the fans take the piss has probably eased the tension a bit who knows I can't see it happening next season.

[BenTheFox]

22 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Genuinely would have taken 8th and a european semi at the start of the season. 

 

Thought we'd finish 7th so it's not that far off.

Europa League Semi-final, yes. However, there are absolutely no excuses for not getting out of our Europa League group. 

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Surprised with how many have actually changed their mind 

...you shouldn't be!!!

I noticed this awhile ago, it is a bit like protest votes, an emotional reaction to a situation or person and the reaction to it.

  If by the next day you can do an about turn on a question, you perhaps should not be voting at all, it distorts the real figures and not fairly reflect the situation. 

 

 

[foxes_rule1978]

58 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Genuinely would have taken 8th and a european semi at the start of the season. 

 

Thought we'd finish 7th so it's not that far off.

We seem to either go on a streak where we can’t win a game, then go into form where we do win some in a row. Can be frustrating really 

[The Horse's Mouth]

27 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...you shouldn't be!!!

I noticed this awhile ago, it is a bit like protest votes, an emotional reaction to a situation or person and the reaction to it.

  If by the next day you can do an about turn on a question, you perhaps should not be voting at all, it distorts the real figures and not fairly reflect the situation. 

 

 

I get that and I think there's a level where you can just get back onto the fence, to go from out to in over battering two clubs dead and buried just seems too mental really . 

 

Like I get with Rodgers I dont think there's a real hatred there, although some are completely tapped out unlike say Puel. 

[Manwell Pablo]

1 hour ago, Kilworthfox said:

We can all choose the facts that suit our agendas.

 

What has been on the pitch, overall this season, is a regression.

 

We have failed this season (my opinion), I can't see how BR will turn around this trend, given his alarming style of play, then subsequent interviews, which isn't working, but he can't see it, just my opinions of course, which a fair few on here share,

 

I appreciate that not all think that we are heading in the wrong direction, I hope they are right, and I am wrong, but my footballing spider senses, which 2 professional football clubs have paid me for in the past, inform me that we are going to be in the shit next season, given the information we have been offered this season. I am not happy about this at all! Hence my posts, criticising BR, as its a results business, and the results are poorer than we would have expected. Unless we all expected the mid table teams from last season to catch up with LCFC? 

How much worse though, Exactly? it’s been a tad disappointing but if we manage 8th or at least 9th, it’s literally 2 or 3 league places where I’d be more than happy, add a European semi final to boot and we did win the Charity Shield as a bonus, it’s not really that bad is it. Given the issues we’ve had with player availability added in is it really enough to pull the trigger on the bloke who has been the best long term Leicester Manager in the premier league Era? I’d say he’s at least earned the right to give it a go next season.

[CosbehFox]

3 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Imagine how different things would look now if Dawson's equaliser for West Ham had been disallowed for handball and the foul against Iheanacho on Varane at Old Trafford wasn't given... 

Haven’t had much fortune with VAR this season at all.
 

Again as others had said don’t concede to Newcastle, Everton and Spurs in the last minutes. That’s 5 points better. 

Edited 16 May 2022 by Cardiff_Fox

[KFS]

3 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Imagine how different things would look now if Dawson's equaliser for West Ham had been disallowed for handball and the foul against Iheanacho on Varane at Old Trafford wasn't given... 

we have to be good enough next year to avoid these if buts and maybes. I’m hoping without the distraction of European football next year we just might.

[An Sionnach]

34 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...you shouldn't be!!!

I noticed this awhile ago, it is a bit like protest votes, an emotional reaction to a situation or person and the reaction to it.

  If by the next day you can do an about turn on a question, you perhaps should not be voting at all, it distorts the real figures and not fairly reflect the situation. 

 

 

Most of the time to me , it seems that on here LCFC are not allowed to lose ANY games without there being a culprit , usually Rodgers , who needs a good kicking.