Brendan Rodgers

[Ric Flair]

9 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Ironically the point total to achieve 7th is above average. 

???

 

Last season 7th place got 62 points, in fact if we get 52 points by winning tomorrow last season that would only have been good enough for 12th place, its a similar story over the last 5 years except for the year Burnley finished 7th.

 

If we get 52 points that's the same total as the year Puel got the sack and Rodgers got us ending the season strongly which finished 9th.

 

This is another reason why the league position this season is so out of kilter, there literally a few points separating 8th to 14th and thankfully we appear to have navigated this last few games to put us in a position for top 10 but it's nowt to shout about as the points total is pure whiff.

[CosbehFox]

18 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

???

 

Last season 7th place got 62 points, in fact if we get 52 points by winning tomorrow last season that would only have been good enough for 12th place, its a similar story over the last 5 years except for the year Burnley finished 7th.

 

If we get 52 points that's the same total as the year Puel got the sack and Rodgers got us ending the season strongly which finished 9th.

 

This is another reason why the league position this season is so out of kilter, there literally a few points separating 8th to 14th and thankfully we appear to have navigated this last few games to put us in a position for top 10 but it's nowt to shout about as the points total is pure whiff.

Was more a general point about the quality of the league, wasn’t a defence of our season - to gain 7th this year is slightly above the average you’d normally need. 
 

Last 5 seasons to gain 7th, you’d need 62, 60, 55, 50 and 47, average of 54.8.
 

This season you’ll need at least 56. 
 

Fcuk I’ve done that thing of looking at 7th rather than 8th 🤣🤣🤣
 

 

Edited 21 May 2022 by Cardiff_Fox

[Dan LCFC]

12 hours ago, foxinsocks said:

Agree - it is not black and white.  For me the position is less relevant - what I look at is how we perform week in week out - especially in games we should win (Everton, Newcastle, villa... and spurs from 90 mins).  In the games were we underperform I usually detect  a timid over cautions brand of football - 70% possession and 2 shots on goal - at home!  This approach will not lead to a bright future.  IMO Brendan has been OK but has taken us as far as he can - we need someone able to be more objective and less egotistical - who will recognise issues and fix them.

 

Yet my biggest worry with keeping Brendan on for too long is the way he discard's player.  Player are expensive to buy and to wage... when thery have  short  comings it is his jobs to fix them not banish them.

He does have quite odd player judgement for me. I've always thought it, even when we were doing better. It's a bit rash at times. We've become very inefficient with our money since he arrived. I don't think a club of our stature can afford to do what we've done with Praet, replace him with Soumare and essentially get nothing out of either.

 

He isn't going anywhere so there's no point in expecting it but I think this summer would've been the right time to go separate ways. An amicable exit. I think we'll just get a continuation of this season next year for the most part. Could be wrong but I've seen nothing in our performances to suggest it'll change. We've picked up better results than the performances deserve virtually all season, which cancels out the injury bad luck for me.

[Dan LCFC]

10 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Defending better always make it easier to get more points.

 

Out of the top 6

 

6 over performed on Xp for points 

6 of them over performed on Xa for goals against 

4 of the over performed on Xg for goals for. 

 

It called having better players, xG doesn't take into account the quality of player. It gives you to same Xg for a chance as Salah.

 

Do we need to play better of course, but that's not impossible 

That to me kind of sums it up though. We overperform xg because of the quality of player. Imagine if we sorted our game out?

 

Plenty will disagree and think I'm being harsh but my thought on this season is the quality of player has carried Rodgers, rather than the other way around.

[Koke]

The goals concedes column +, waddling around the bottom half for most of the season + the abject failure in the Europa League is what disappoints me. Rodgers record in Europe his whole career has not been good. 

[Webbo]

1 hour ago, Koke said:

The goals concedes column +, waddling around the bottom half for most of the season + the abject failure in the Europa League is what disappoints me. Rodgers record in Europe his whole career has not been good. 

How many managers actually are successful in Europe? Until this year there were only 2 competitions and they were usually won by a small group of clubs. 

 

Roberto DiMateo won the champions league, Where's he now? 

 

This "Rodgers is no good in Europe" is a ridiculous argument to me. If he was sacked, which, successful in Europe, manager do you think we'd get? 

[deep blue]

17 hours ago, Ginger_Filbert said:

Literally using all my post likes on @Webbo in this thread. 
 

I agree with almost every word he’s said, reasoned and sensible analysis. 
 

Brendan very much in for me but sign a proper set piece coach please, without the set piece goals we’d have been right up there again. 

Will you still be "very much in" if he doesn't sign a proper set piece coach?  We've had the problem for a long time and he's taken a while to even admit there's a problem, and no sign that he's about to address it in a professional way by looking for specialised help.

 

Not trying to cause an argument here but am just interested to know at what point - what set of criteria - will it take you (and, I suppose, other strong supporters of Brendan) to be prepared to become disillusioned with him.

[Dusty]

12 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

???

 

Last season 7th place got 62 points, in fact if we get 52 points by winning tomorrow last season that would only have been good enough for 12th place, its a similar story over the last 5 years except for the year Burnley finished 7th.

 

If we get 52 points that's the same total as the year Puel got the sack and Rodgers got us ending the season strongly which finished 9th.

 

This is another reason why the league position this season is so out of kilter, there literally a few points separating 8th to 14th and thankfully we appear to have navigated this last few games to put us in a position for top 10 but it's nowt to shout about as the points total is pure whiff.

Thankfully trophies aren’t handed out based on points total, if they were we probably wouldn’t have a premier league title. Consistency has been poor from all sides except two this season, shows that it’s not just us that are struggling. We definitely need to perform better next season, mentality and defending set pieces must be improved. But if we do that, we’re probably chasing top 6 again. 

[Aus Fox]

1 hour ago, Koke said:

The goals concedes column +, waddling around the bottom half for most of the season + the abject failure in the Europa League is what disappoints me. Rodgers record in Europe his whole career has not been good. 

Waddling around the bottom half for most of the season isn’t really what’s happened this season is it? We’ve not been in the top six, but most weeks we have been in the top 10 and we’ve only dropped below 10th really when we’ve had games in hand on those above us.
 

The flip side of the goals conceded column is the goals scored column and only West Ham outside the top 4 have scored more than us, and that’s only 1 goal more - we could easily end the season as the 5th beat scorers in the league - when you consider the forward line of Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs that’s not too bad at all is it.

 

As for the European record, the Europa League was a disappointment, we should have qualified, but we didn’t and them we made us for it with fantastic wins against decent European teams and we’re a whisker away (or a certain penalty being given) from being in a European final.

 

I get many are disappointed with how the season has panned out, but it’s not nearly as bad as some are making out.

[Jakemoore]

I genuinely believe we will resolve the problems over the summer and come back much better for it next season. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we finished top 7 next year. 

[Wolfox]

He hasn’t got enough wrong to even deserve consideration for the chop…

 

He’s earned the right to have one below par season…. The owner will back him in the summer and let’s see what we are served up next season….
 

I’m optimistic 

[Ginger_Filbert]

42 minutes ago, deep blue said:

Will you still be "very much in" if he doesn't sign a proper set piece coach?  We've had the problem for a long time and he's taken a while to even admit there's a problem, and no sign that he's about to address it in a professional way by looking for specialised help.

 

Not trying to cause an argument here but am just interested to know at what point - what set of criteria - will it take you (and, I suppose, other strong supporters of Brendan) to be prepared to become disillusioned with him.

Yes I’d still be in without a set piece coach it’s just something I’d like. 

He’s openly said they want players that will help towards it anyway. 

 

The point id be out is if we aren’t top half midway through next season, he’s got at least enough credit in the bank for that in my eyes. 
 

Realistically I’d expect us to be trying to get into Europe again which is top 7. That for me is not a minimum though, if we miss out by competing and coming close (like we have this season) then he’s at least par for the course in his job expectations. 
 

How much he’s paid doesn’t affect my opinion on that. 

[SafewayFox]

1 hour ago, deep blue said:

Will you still be "very much in" if he doesn't sign a proper set piece coach?  We've had the problem for a long time and he's taken a while to even admit there's a problem, and no sign that he's about to address it in a professional way by looking for specialised help.

 

Not trying to cause an argument here but am just interested to know at what point - what set of criteria - will it take you (and, I suppose, other strong supporters of Brendan) to be prepared to become disillusioned with him.

I have asked this question numerous times but never had an answer - good luck with that one mate.

 

A “refresh” including coaches is a must surely.

 

Look at history how much the elite managers changed their back room staff to add a new voice - Fergie as an example was excellent at this.

[SafewayFox]

40 minutes ago, Jakemoore said:

I genuinely believe we will resolve the problems over the summer and come back much better for it next season. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we finished top 7 next year. 

I really, really hope you’re right but even an improvement on points and style of football would make me happy.

[SafewayFox]

51 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

Waddling around the bottom half for most of the season isn’t really what’s happened this season is it? We’ve not been in the top six, but most weeks we have been in the top 10 and we’ve only dropped below 10th really when we’ve had games in hand on those above us.
 

The flip side of the goals conceded column is the goals scored column and only West Ham outside the top 4 have scored more than us, and that’s only 1 goal more - we could easily end the season as the 5th beat scorers in the league - when you consider the forward line of Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs that’s not too bad at all is it.

 

As for the European record, the Europa League was a disappointment, we should have qualified, but we didn’t and them we made us for it with fantastic wins against decent European teams and we’re a whisker away (or a certain penalty being given) from being in a European final.

 

I get many are disappointed with how the season has panned out, but it’s not nearly as bad as some are making out.

The first post that has actually made me think I may be over critical about Rodgers and our shortcomings this season.

 

Top post.

 

The Forest defeat, Spurs melt down and set pieces (attacking aren’t great either) do still dampen my positivity.

[sacreblueits442]

On 21/05/2022 at 04:21, Aus Fox said:

Ridiculous comment, if you’re not still learning you quickly become out of touch and get left behind.

Things change all the time, and every person in every job in the world regardless of pay should still be learning

Pep, Klopp and an other top manager in the world is still learning and still watching others’ losing games and learning from mistakes. To say anyone shouldn’t still be learning is very narrow minded.

...there are certain mundane aspects of the game he (Rodgers) appear to have little knowledge of, regarding their implementation and the team suffers for it!!!

  Everyone is learning every day, problems arise and are addressed on a daily basis.

  For us the same problems are there every week and do not appear to have been addressed or acknowledged that they even exist. When they are eventually pointed out to him, he struggles to find a way to overcome the problem and he decides that new personnel next season will be the answer.

  All these years as a coach and a manager, you would believe he would have a better insight on how to deal with these issues. If you don't know, at least be aware of the people with the knowledge and seek to use their services.

[HighPeakFox]

5 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

The first post that has actually made me think I may be over critical about Rodgers and our shortcomings this season.

 

Top post.

 

The Forest defeat, Spurs melt down and set pieces (attacking aren’t great either) do still dampen my positivity.

I think bad moments cause huge emotional responses, and they could then cause imbalance when weighing the season up.

 

Not wishing to be judgemental about it, just understanding of the possible reasons - I'm lucky that I don't take football so personally anymore.

[SafewayFox]

11 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I think bad moments cause huge emotional responses, and they could then cause imbalance when weighing the season up.

 

Not wishing to be judgemental about it, just understanding of the possible reasons - I'm lucky that I don't take football so personally anymore.

Spot on.

 

I saw before that you’ve commented about learning to not take football so personally anymore and like that outlook.

 

Whilst at times I can border on the irrational in terms of football/Rodgers in this instance but will always take other people’s views/perspectives just struggle with the obvious set piece issue not being a thing - Rodgers own words until very recently.

 

That’s one pretty big blind spot and pretty much handicaps the team before they even step onto the pitch.

Edited 22 May 2022 by SafewayFox

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, SafewayFox said:

Spot on.

 

I saw before that you’ve commented about learning to not take football so personally anymore and like that outlook.

 

Whilst at times I can border on the irrational in terms of football/Rodgers in this instance but will always take other people’s views/perspectives just struggle with the obvious set piece issue not been being a thing - Rodgers own words until very recently.

 

That’s one pretty big blind spot and pretty much handicaps the team before they even step onto the pitch.

Absolutely on the set-piece issue, it's undeniable.

 

I left a WhatsApp group of lifelong friends for a while this season, and one part of that was I found the outbursts difficult to handle direct into my phone, especially from people I care about so much. I recently re-joined, having calmly explained why, and they're really good people and had thought about the issue from my point of view, and respected that it might be healthier for us all (all in our 50s) not to let it affect our moods in the same way - it seems a happier group as a result. I mean, why fall out over something none of us has control over?

[The Year Of The Fox]

Just now, HighPeakFox said:

Absolutely on the set-piece issue, it's undeniable.

 

I left a WhatsApp group of lifelong friends for a while this season, and one part of that was I found the outbursts difficult to handle direct into my phone, especially from people I care about so much. I recently re-joined, having calmly explained why, and they're really good people and had thought about the issue from my point of view, and respected that it might be healthier for us all (all in our 50s) not to let it affect our moods in the same way - it seems a happier group as a result. I mean, why fall out over something none of us has control over?

I’ve done the same and I think that’s why I hate the bloke with a passion 😂

[Poznan34]

The guy who leaks the team every week has had a telling off from Rodgers! 

 

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, Poznan34 said:

The guy who leaks the team every week has had a telling off from Rodgers! 

 

 

Good.

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, Poznan34 said:

The guy who leaks the team every week has had a telling off from Rodgers! 

 

I’m surprised he was allowed to attend. 
 

Seriously there are people very, very pissed off about how the team gets leak out. That includes our very own no 9. 

[filbertway]

4 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Absolutely on the set-piece issue, it's undeniable.

 

I left a WhatsApp group of lifelong friends for a while this season, and one part of that was I found the outbursts difficult to handle direct into my phone, especially from people I care about so much. I recently re-joined, having calmly explained why, and they're really good people and had thought about the issue from my point of view, and respected that it might be healthier for us all (all in our 50s) not to let it affect our moods in the same way - it seems a happier group as a result. I mean, why fall out over something none of us has control over?

I love a fiesty football debate with my mates, if it doesn't end up in us throwing expletives at each other and laughing about it in the end then something's gone horribly wrong

 

That being said, I only do that with people on the same level, I probably wouldn't try the same tactics with my grandad or work colleagues haha

 

None of us let the results affect us emotionally though, I feel absolutely nothing watching Leicester matches and haven't for a while to be fair, it's quite a hollow experience at the minute. I laugh when we concede, shrug my shoulders if we score.

 

People telling me to enjoy and appreciate something that's clearly not enjoyable is much more frustrating than anything that happens on the pitch

 

 

[HighPeakFox]

2 minutes ago, filbertway said:

I love a fiesty football debate with my mates, if it doesn't end up in us throwing expletives at each other and laughing about it in the end then something's gone horribly wrong

 

That being said, I only do that with people on the same level, I probably wouldn't try the same tactics with my grandad or work colleagues haha

 

None of us let the results affect us emotionally though, I feel absolutely nothing watching Leicester matches and haven't for a while to be fair, it's quite a hollow experience at the minute. I laugh when we concede, shrug my shoulders if we score.

 

People telling me to enjoy and appreciate something that's clearly not enjoyable is much more frustrating than anything that happens on the pitch

 

 

It's not the debating that ever bothers me - it's the over-emotional, spoilt-childish anger that does me no good at all. I don't mean to offend anyone by describing it this way, it's just the way I see it.