Brendan Rodgers

[Dahnsouff]

11 minutes ago, StanSP said:

If Rodgers was to go - who would we get in as a replacement?

 

I feel like whenever this question is asked of any person who isn't a fan of his who tells the club to send him to Arsenal, I feel like there's never a realistic or legit answer.

 

So I'd like to ask it again - if for some bizarre weird stupid reason we got rid of Rodgers, who would you bring in?

Potter, if we could get him.

[UHDrive]

I don't understand people's problems. We've had arguably the best 2 years in the clubs history, and BR has done this with an ever evolving mountain of injuries that have affected the team. 

 

At the best of times one or two injurys can affect a teams cohesive play. With our level of injurys and attacking issues then I think he's doing a remarkable job.

[Koke]

28 minutes ago, StanSP said:

If Rodgers was to go - who would we get in as a replacement?

 

I feel like whenever this question is asked of any person who isn't a fan of his who tells the club to send him to Arsenal, I feel like there's never a realistic or legit answer.

 

So I'd like to ask it again - if for some bizarre weird stupid reason we got rid of Rodgers, who would you bring in?

 

Graham "xG" Potter. 

 

Edit. I think Rodgers will move on by himsekf after this season or next.. He will probably be frustrated with the gulf in finances between us and the big clubs. 

Edited 28 August 2021 by Koke

[Stinkenzo]

We are in a weird situation as a club that we are in a position to take the next step, but arguably this is about as good as it will ever get unless something drastic happens to one (or more) of the "big six". We can easily finish below the likes of Everton, West Ham, and if other mid-table clubs like Leeds or Arsenal go on a run we could easily find ourselves bang in mid-table or even top the bottom half. Is that failure? I find it hard to know what sort of position we need to find ourselves in to sack him. I think something would have to go drastically wrong in terms of squad morale + results for me to ever want him out of the club.

[Matt]

12 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Potter, if we could get him.

This is a fair shout.

 

I've been super critical of possession based football, Potter has bought this philsophy to Brighton, I used to watch most games, any games, but in the last year or so i've got fed up of watching keep ball games without it going anywhere, that's what the modern game looks like as far as i'm concerned, yet whenever i've watched Brighton i've been impressed, they hold possession of the ball with intent, with purpose, going forward. If they had a goalscorer last season they'd have had a really impressive season.

 

I'm not saying i'd rather him than Rodgers by the way but it's not a bad shout if and when.

 

Edited 29 August 2021 by Matt

[Dahnsouff]

3 minutes ago, Matt said:

This is a fair shout.

 

I've been super critical of possession based football, Potter has bought this philsophy to Brighton, I used to watch most games, any games but in the last year or so i've got fed up of watching keep ball games without it going anywhere, that's what the modern game looks like as far as i'm concerned, yet whenever i've watched Brighton i've been impressed, they hold possession of the ball with intent, with purpose, going forward. If they had a goalscorer last season they'd have had a really impressive season.

 

I'm not saying i'd rather him than Rodgers by the way but it's not a bad shout if and when.

Keep Rodgers for sure, but if he went Potter would be a serious candidate, not that I think he would come tbh

[MPH]

3 minutes ago, Matt said:

This is a fair shout.

 

I've been super critical of possession based football, Potter has bought this philsophy to Brighton, I used to watch most games, any games but in the last year or so i've got fed up of watching keep ball games without it going anywhere, that's what the modern game looks like as far as i'm concerned, yet whenever i've watched Brighton i've been impressed, they hold possession of the ball with intent, with purpose, going forward. If they had a goalscorer last season they'd have had a really impressive season.

 

I'm not saying i'd rather him than Rodgers by the way but it's not a bad shout if and when.

 

i remember an interview Kasper gave in the middle of the title winning season.. he said something along the lines of.. “ all this tiki taka.. why take seven passes when you can do it in one?”

 

[Tielemans63]

Some fans really have lost all sense of perspective haven't they?

 

Shame that success has brought more of a sense of entitlement for some rather than a sense of pride in the team.

 

[Matt]

19 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

i remember an interview Kasper gave in the middle of the title winning season.. he said something along the lines of.. “ all this tiki taka.. why take seven passes when you can do it in one?”

 

I remember in our title winning season many people took the piss out of it too, most notably Tottenham, often you'd see comments of "Atleast they won on possession", there may have even been a thread on it. Many people seem to lap it up now though.

 

Edited 28 August 2021 by Matt

[Milo]

7 minutes ago, Tielemans63 said:

Some fans really have lost all sense of perspective haven't they?

 

Shame that success has brought more of a sense of entitlement for some rather than a sense of pride in the team.

 

Not sure it’s a sense of entitlement. 
 

I think it’s healthy to strive for the best you can be. 
 

What we were isn’t what we are, or can become. 

[Tielemans63]

2 minutes ago, Milo said:

Not sure it’s a sense of entitlement. 
 

I think it’s healthy to strive for the best you can be. 
 

What we were isn’t what we are, or can become. 

Of course it's healthy to strive for the best you can be but i'd also argue it's important to recognise where you have come from and what has been achieved in what is a relatively short time. I think our history is very significant.

[st albans fox]

Every manager is ambitious 

 

I don’t see potter getting a big gig after brighton 

 

but he could if he did well with a club like us 

 

once Brendan has decided he wants to move on, I would take potter in a heartbeat (unless he loses his way in the meantime) 

[StanSP]

I'm not totally enamoured by the Potter shout if I'm being honest - nothing against anyone as everyone has a right to their opinion!

 

I don't think he brings more than anything Rodgers can with us right now...

 

Would love to know from @CrispinLA in Texas what his thoughts are...

[st albans fox]

9 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I'm not totally enamoured by the Potter shout if I'm being honest - nothing against anyone as everyone has a right to their opinion!

 

I don't think he brings more than anything Rodgers can with us right now...

 

Would love to know from @CrispinLA in Texas what his thoughts are...

those suggesting we make a change now are mistaken (imo) 

 

im speaking about a time in the future  when the manager decides to leave …..

[King of Gipsy Lane]

46 minutes ago, Matt said:

I remember in our title winning season many people took the piss out of it too, most notably Tottenham, often you'd see comments of "Atleast they won on possession", there may have even been a thread on it. Many people seem to lap it up now though.

 

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[King of Gipsy Lane]

57 minutes ago, Matt said:

This is a fair shout.

 

I've been super critical of possession based football, Potter has bought this philsophy to Brighton, I used to watch most games, any games but in the last year or so i've got fed up of watching keep ball games without it going anywhere, that's what the modern game looks like as far as i'm concerned, yet whenever i've watched Brighton i've been impressed, they hold possession of the ball with intent, with purpose, going forward. If they had a goalscorer last season they'd have had a really impressive season.

 

I'm not saying i'd rather him than Rodgers by the way but it's not a bad shout if and when.

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[King of Gipsy Lane]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

As I said in the match thread to you, Welcome to possession based football.

 

Don't say I didn't warn you. I've been dismissived of this negative, boring style for atleast those 2 years, probably slightly infact defintely longer.

 

I don't get it, it's beyond me, why anyone would want to play in this way or watch this insipid stuff I do not know, each to their own though.

 

I can't disagree with anything you say, and as I said in this thread earlier in the week it is possible to see the good thinks Rodgers has done, be thankful for it and appreciate it whilst also being critical and pointing out the bad parts, the bad parts being the same things over and over again, never seeming to learn or change it and tbh those things seem to be becoming more and more common if anything.

 

Today felt like a Puel game.

 

We'll probably play brilliantly against Man City.

 

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[Matt]

Better examples @King of Gipsy Lane

[Guest]

I think I've said pretty much exactly this before but I do find it surprising how quickly and aggressively some people turn on him when things start to go even slightly wrong. There seems to be a section of our fanbase that just fundamentally dislike him and I don't think there's anything he can realistically do at this point to win them round because somehow the successes happen in spite of him and the failures happen because of him. If we play badly it's because he's lost the dressing room, if our players get injured it's because he's overworking them, if they look unfit it's because he's not working them hard enough, if we don't sign a winger it's because he has complete control of our transfer business and decided we don't need one. 

 

I know it's stupid to read anything into match threads because it's mostly just people who can't control their emotions venting but the way he was getting talked about at times you'd think he was an absolute moron and we'd spent the last couple of seasons sleepwalking towards relegation, not fighting for European football.

[chapero82]

4 minutes ago, Guest said:

I think I've said pretty much exactly this before but I do find it surprising how quickly and aggressively some people turn on him when things start to go even slightly wrong. There seems to be a section of our fanbase that just fundamentally dislike him and I don't think there's anything he can realistically do at this point to win them round because somehow the successes happen in spite of him and the failures happen because of him. If we play badly it's because he's lost the dressing room, if our players get injured it's because he's overworking them, if they look unfit it's because he's not working them hard enough, if we don't sign a winger it's because he has complete control of our transfer business and decided we don't need one. 

 

I know it's stupid to read anything into match threads because it's mostly just people who can't control their emotions venting but the way he was getting talked about at times you'd think he was an absolute moron and we'd spent the last couple of seasons sleepwalking towards relegation, not fighting for European football.

I’m not saying everything is his fault but he does seem to get an injury crisis wherever he goes  

[Milo]

47 minutes ago, Tielemans63 said:

Of course it's healthy to strive for the best you can be but i'd also argue it's important to recognise where you have come from and what has been achieved in what is a relatively short time. I think our history is very significant.

Couldn't agree more.

 

Equally, we're not stuck in 2008 taking rainy trips to Hereford. 

 

We are where we are on merit and we all know we can play better than we have done for the past few months. We were poor at the back end of last season, won the FA Cup (), were poor pre-season, bar 30 minutes against QPR, and have been largely poor against Wolves, West Ham and Norwich.

 

Of course I don't think that we have any divine right to win any of these matches - but I certainly don't think any debate on our current form should solely be viewed through the prism of where we were 10/15/20 years ago.

 

My tuppence worth - Brendan is a great fit for us, but he's not above criticism.  

[jerry]

1 hour ago, Tielemans63 said:

Some fans really have lost all sense of perspective haven't they?

 

Shame that success has brought more of a sense of entitlement for some rather than a sense of pride in the team.

 

After following the Team from the early sixties I couldn't agree more .

[Guest SO1]

3 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

100% true, but we've gotten street wise as a result of that. We've been poor this season, yet still have 6 points out of 9. Had Ayoze not got sent off against West Ham, perhaps we'd have got something there? We were awful, but we got back to 2-1 despite being down to 10 men. So despite being bullied by West Ham and fair criticism of the team having a soft underbelly, we are good at grinding out results and wins, as evidenced in the FA Cup Final last season. But we've sacrificed some of the "sexy football" as a result of that.

 

I definitely don't agree with everything Rodgers does. That lineup against West Ham was poor and I feel like he's too lenient on some players (Perez, Maddison) whereas overly harsh on others (Iheanacho, Praet). But the Premier League is bonkers in terms of the gulf in resources that clubs have at their disposal. See signings like Grealish, Lukaku, Ronaldo as an example. When you look at Arsenal today as a comparison it goes to show you how brutal the league can be. I think Rodgers has realised that and become more pragmatic as a result.

 

In fact how many teams in the league play sexy football anyway? Man City and Liverpool yep. Chelsea? Brilliant team, but I think they play a mixed style that is very effective but hardly 1970's Brazil. Man U, Spurs, Arsenal all teams that are traditionally associated with attacking, pleasing on the eye football don't play that way anymore. West Ham are great against us, but they struggle against a deep block big time because they are a counter attacking team. It's really, really hard to play good football AND get results with it in a league that is this competitive.

It seems as if the league has changed and not for the better in my opinion. Feel as if the end to end games that I used to watch in '11 through '15 have largely disappeared from the game. They were exhilarating to watch and left me breathless in their skill and speed. Nobody wants to go mano a mano anymore as everyone seems to have too much to lose.

 

Its not something new to me as the same has happened in American sports like Basketball where the rules, how they are enforced and philosophy changes back and forth from offensive to defensive.

 

There has to be a better balance because football for me is becoming more tedious to watch and that takes away much of the enjoyment for me. Tired of watching Maddison and Tielemans get fouled constantly breaking up our ability to attack. Did refs stop giving yellow cards for repetitive fouling? Sad that the offensive side of the game seems to be diminished more and more. Really don't want to watch the Scottish League.

[Tielemans63]

Don't get the hype around Potter. When Hughton left Brighton, they were 17th - last season they finished 16th. Don't think he's bad by any means but don't think he's all that either.

[drofmor55]

25 minutes ago, SO1 said:

It seems as if the league has changed and not for the better in my opinion. Feel as if the end to end games that I used to watch in '11 through '15 have largely disappeared from the game. They were exhilarating to watch and left me breathless in their skill and speed. Nobody wants to go mano a mano anymore as everyone seems to have too much to lose.

 

Its not something new to me as the same has happened in American sports like Basketball where the rules, how they are enforced and philosophy changes back and forth from offensive to defensive.

 

There has to be a better balance because football for me is becoming more tedious to watch and that takes away much of the enjoyment for me. Tired of watching Maddison and Tielemans get fouled constantly breaking up our ability to attack. Did refs stop giving yellow cards for repetitive fouling? Sad that the offensive side of the game seems to be diminished more and more. Really don't want to watch the Scottish League.

Agree with this...some teams seem to specialise in breaking up play and every tackle is a borderline foul..not bad enough to warrant a yellow card but effective in stopping the opposition..The Slavia Prague  team   a good example.Coufal(west ham) & Fred (Man U) also.

Cant remember when i last saw a ref give a card for repetitive fouling.